What's the point in recruiting freshman anymore
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I will bet they finish higher than us in the BIG next year. Coaching still matters
Who would Loyer have played in front of? Loyer was a shooter for you guys due only to the Edey situation, and Smith as I have said, will show what he can do next season.
All 3 of UConn's freshman are capable of contributing from day 1. I've been pretty clear on the type of high school kid IU should be recruiting going forward. If you haven't figured that out by now, that's on you. You're the only one talking about stars and rankings, not me.
lol I’m not a PU fan. Jesus.
Also he would have played for us…hell we had Cupps and Galloway most of the year.
He wasn't and he can't defend a chair. He can flop...I will give you that.
Pretty much everything positive you've been gushing about over Purdue the last 2 years is attributed to Edey. Obviously Painter deserves credit for maximizing Edey. And for sure also developing him. But all this "team" BS you're talking about, like Purdue is some gold standard for the NCAA...is well, BS. Without Edey, they're Texas Tech.
IU has the capacity to be better than that, on a national scale. And that capacity means they can be better than that without some once in a lifetime guy like Edey.
There are a million questions on whether Woody is the guy to get us there...and a lot of those questions are whether he can actually coach the guys he gets to come to IU. And also if he knows how to build a high level team. But in less then 2 months, IU basketball has went from "we might not have any players"...to "we might have the best player in the conference at every position". That sounds like an absurd statement...but lay it out, there can be a case made for all of the likely starters. When you have that ability and capacity to reshape your roster with THAT level of talent, basically at any time, its absurd to fill your roster with guys you know you're going to have to develop for multiple years.
You just need to be really good at picking the right guys. Like Hurley has become. Like Self is. When and if IU has a coaching staff that figures that out, Purdue will be firmly placed in their rear view mirror, where they belong.
Ok. What’s the excuse then when PU was a flook missed rebound on a FT From the final four without Edey? Edey was great but you are discrediting Painters ability to build a team.
You were also a bad call at the end of the previous S16 game from going home.
lol “you” smh.
Point is he has had teams in positions to do things without Edey.
Tip of the cap to an exceptional tournament performance by Carsen Edwards.....a Texas kid who carried a bunch of average Indiana players. Shocking.
Carson was hot as hell that tourney and he got the kick out call.
They're Texas Tech, Creighton, Wisconsin... Painter is very good at building very solid basketball teams. I'm very envious of the success they've had recently. I still don't think IU should in any way, shape, or form, model their program after what Painter has done at Purdue.
The reason IU is still, despite decades of mediocre basketball, a more elite basketball program than Purdue is because of the success Knight had on a national scale. UConn, Kansas, Wright's Villanova teams... why shouldn't those teams be the goal for IU?
Why don't you ever mention FDU, St. Peter's, or North Texas? The blown 12 point lead with 5 minutes left against UALR? The blown 7 point lead against Cincy with less than a minute to go the year prior? Getting run off the floor by VCU with two All-Americans? It took him 20 years with a player that you'll likely never again see in college basketball to get past the E8. You give him way too much credit.
Yet, what has Iu done with “superior” talent? PU has won 4 of the last 8 BIG titles
If you are a true IU fan, it would seem that you would post something about them without including the name PU. You can claim anything you want, but the true colors are showing thru very clear.
I'm not the one claiming Indiana has been standard for college basketball the way you are with Painter/Purdue.
I’m saying they are doing it the way RMK and how a majority of IU fans want IU to do it. They are far from the gold standard but when iU has sucked and Purdue has been good, it’s been by Painter beating IU at its old game.
I do post about IU. This is about recruiting and building a roster. PU has kicked IU ass in the department lately
RMK maximized what could be done under the rules of college basketball while he coached. He would have been very active in the portal, I'm sure. His 87' title team doesn't happen without Smart and Garrett, both transfers.
Ok. We will see if this approach works by Woody. I will gladly eat crow if this method is superior to PUrdue and iu takes its place back ahead of PU.
You think Woody is capable of developing and molding an elite team? I kinda don't. So he's doing what is likely to be the most effective for him, at IU.
Next coach...lets hope for someone with Hurley/Self capabilities...and not hope for Painter.
Purdue is solid. Better on the court results than IU in recent years. But IU can be more.
You say whatever gets you attention instead of contributing what you actually believe. You are a troll. The only way to deal with your type is to force you to put your money where your mouth is. $10k that IU finishes higher than Purdue next year.
And IU hasn't sniffed an Elite 8 in 22 years...before that, 32 years. I am an IU fan that is fairly bitter about the negligence in steering the basketball program back to success....though that bitterness lost its bite some time ago. And frankly, when programs are more successful than IU, especially rivals, I don't blame them. Its still IU's problem to solve. We can criticize Purdue all we want. But we are looking up to do it.
What does that have to do with anything I've said? I'm not the one trying to claim Indiana is the gold standard of college basketball the way @bsmitty08 is with Painter/Purdue. This past season for Purdue with a generational talent was an anomaly in the 20 year tenure of Matt Painter.
They've had a handful of winnable Sweet 16 games in 22 years. So technically, they've "sniffed" an elite 8 a few times.
I'm just not sure why everyone is so fixated on Purdue. Our program needs to improve, a lot. Why pick a program to compare and emulate, that's never done what we've done 5 times...and want to do again...and have the resources to get the level of talent to do it again... It has been a long damn while...but Kansas, UConn, Jay Wright Villanova...that should be the comp, not Purdue.
Purdue's benchmark is IU. Why do you think they've been so loud the last 10 years?
I don't think I see being complimentary towards Purdue as "emulating". They did this year what we did 22 years ago. They were just as successful. I don't think any IU fan wants to be Purdue. I think we want to be successful again, and consistently in the NCAA tournament; as Purdue has proven. I can't remember the last time Purdue was "on the bubble". We've made it a habit thats hard to break. The comparisons are a consequence of there being room for only one program as the best in the state of Indiana. Right now, that is not really open for debate. I see the peer programs that are regularly mentioned (UK, UNC, Kansas, etc....) They have one thing in common that IU has lacked....They demand excellence in their basketball program or they find a coach who can provide it.
They were 16-15 just a few years ago with a losing conference record and would have missed the tournament had one been held. They followed it with 3 embarrassing losses in the NCAAT before finally breaking through with a generational giant. Again an anomaly for Painter and the Purdue program.
Probably responded to the wrong poster then...there have been multiple people that have called for "Purdue like" approaches to running IU's program. That's like running the Yankees or Red Sox like the Devil Rays. Maybe it could work, but its completely unnecessary. Use the resources that you have, just use them better than you have been.
Not saying they are the gold standard at all but they sure have done a better job running the program than IU
I have to wonder about academics as well. These kids all jump from school to school and we all know not all schools have all the same majors.
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When I was a student at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago we had a guy whose name was Jeremy. He was a good dude, but I remember that he was a transfer student from Liberty University. He was a Junior there but not all of his classes transferred to Moody so he was a freshman again. I thought, "wow".
