This is all that really needs to be said about anti-vaxxers....
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I see your point. I just found it amusing that vaccination wasn't part of the script she was rattling off.
Maybe if she'd asked about vaccines first it might have had a motivating effect. If you answer "no", then she launches into the long list of Covid symptoms, with a serious tone and requiring definitive answers. If you say "yes", the she runs through the list in a perfunctory manner.
And yeah, as noted, people will lie.
did you sort out your rehab shit? i've been going to the doctor/hospital once a month for the last year, including earlier this week. they do the same script verbatim. no mention of vaccines. for a while they would take your temp too but that stopped about six months ish ago. it's just all the honor system now
Not yet. Me & the boss texted back and forth about it last night. At the end she told me to stop looking to make trouble and that she'd get it sorted out.
I'm headed over there shortly.No temp checks. After running in and out of there several times over the day the one gal I'd seen a couple times just waved me on by.
it's all a mess. our doctor lives in the same neighborhood. we were all masked up in her office and two days later stood in line behind her at the grocery store w/ no masksNot yet. Me & the boss texted back and forth about it last night. At the end she told me to stop looking to make trouble and that she'd get it sorted out.
No temp checks. After running in and out of there several times over the day the one gal I'd seen a couple times just waved me on by.
There's conflicting study results on that. Pre-delta variant, it was abundantly clear that viral load levels are way, way, WAY lower in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated infected persons.
Recently, studies have been published showing viral loads of delta variant to be similar in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated infected persons. The ones I read, though, focused on viral load levels measured at one point in time, such as at time of admission to the hospital. It is still clear that hospitalized infected vaccinated people recover much faster than hospitalized infected unvaccinated people. Thus, while they might have had at one time the same viral load, that was only for a short period of time, as the immune sytem was beginning to kick in. I strongly suspect that over (say) a 10 day period, it is way safer to be around a vaccinated infected person than an unvaccinated infected person.
In biostatistics we refer to an "area under the curve" analysis as opposed to a "C-max" or "max concentration" analysis as being, in many situations, more relevant. My supposition (and I don't know if data supports it) is that over 10 days the vaccinated person is shedding in total far less virus (lower area under the curve) and is therefore less infective over the long haul than the unvaccinated person, even if for a brief moment in time their infectivity and highest viral load (C-max) was (quite alarmingly) the same.
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Right, which again would lead credence to the idea I expressed above that getting the vaccine is most likely helpful but would not be a good barometer on whether someone is likely to he sick when entering a hospital. The same could be said of those requiring the showing of your papers to enter a facility. The vaccine is closer to a guarantee that catching COVID won't kill you (it still can, but in smaller percentages) than it is to say that you will not infect someone else or cannot be infected yourself.
Hogwash!
'At one point in time, such as admissions to
hospitals.
Hogwash!
Was this 'point' calculated from time of exposure?
No.
Could the patient have been positive for 3 days or 10?
No way to tell
Does an accurate test for the 'delta' variety exist?
No.
Data from the UK Assets.Publication.Service
Feb.1 through August 2, 3021
'Delta Varient Deaths'
Fully Vax'd. 54.2%
One dose. 10.1%
Unvax'd. 34.1%
So over 64% of flu deaths occurred among those who have been jabbed, per the NHS data.
None of these analogies effectively represent forcing someone to inject something relatively unproven in the short term & completely unproven in the long term into your body to protect you from something with a statistically small chance of making you more ill than many have been due to the flu, much less killing you. No matter how much you all pound your fist insisting to know, these things are indisputably uncertain. You want to make disparaging remarks about their willingness to put their own well-being above yours, have at it, but the notion that keeps getting tossed about here that their is no risk or concern with the vaccines is ridiculous. They have not been approved for kids for more than one reason. Dosage is one thing, but long term unknowns have been acknowledged to play a role as well.
You say we do not know the long term effects of the shots, does that mean you know the long term effects of having the disease? Tell us.
Here is an example, people who had the Spanish Flu were far more likely to develop Parkinson's years later.
Viruses can infect the brain, hide out for decades, and then cause Viral Parkinsonism
How do you study a disease that takes decades to reveal itself? In this case, scientists used mice, viruses, and a little immunotherapy
massivesci.com
No, but that is precisely why it should be an individual’s choice…You say we do not know the long term effects of the shots, does that mean you know the long term effects of having the disease? Tell us.
Here is an example, people who had the Spanish Flu were far more likely to develop Parkinson's years later.
Viruses can infect the brain, hide out for decades, and then cause Viral Parkinsonism
How do you study a disease that takes decades to reveal itself? In this case, scientists used mice, viruses, and a little immunotherapy
And I have no issue with that such as it is. I keep saying my complaint are people who promote antivaxx agendas. Or truther agendas, Moon hoax agendas. Flat earth agendas.
The truth is often very messy. Conspiracists are good at painting a very non-messy picture that attracts people to its simplicity. Do we think most people realize that some who get COVID have changes in the brain that are the same as dementia? I doubt the antivaxx sites are teaching that.
COVID-19 Linked With Alzheimer's Disease-Like Dementia
Individuals with the allele APOE E4/E4 were found to be more susceptible.
I doubt the Parkinson's risk to viral infections are very big there either.
If someone doesn't want the shot, fine, mask up and social distance. Don't go on some holy crusade.
Ok, so we have a problem. The Biden administration's handling of the border is indefensible. They have been an incompetent disaster with their messaging. That would be bad enough in a normal year. However, we are in the middle of a pandemic and those several hundred thousand people (caught) crossing the border every month are bringing some trouble with them. 15 to 40% have been found to be COVID positive. Those individuals are being dropped into U.S. cities. And oh yeah, we now have yet another COVID variant, Lamda, that is apparently vaccine resistant. And where is Lambda most prevalent. South America.
Biden's handling of the border is a national security issue. We should have locked it down and turned people away months ago. He is potentially seeding the next wave of the pandemic as we speak.
Biden's handling of the border is a national security issue. We should have locked it down and turned people away months ago. He is potentially seeding the next wave of the pandemic as we speak.
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Evidently you missed it when I posted the the US had greater economic mobility than Nordic countries and Marvin and others reply with babble about social mobility and equality.
Totally missed my point and continues to ignore it, even when pointed out.
He can't stand to admit he made a mistake, so he argues something that I never brought up. He's like every other pseudo-leftist on here. He's great at spouting talking points, but weak on actual argument when those talking points are proved wrong.
And sometimes the solution is shockingly simple.
"For those of us who have been around here long enough … we don't need to reinvent the wheel," one agent told Mayorkas. "We've had this happen before. We know exactly how to shut it down. We need to make illegal entry illegal."
So when you reply with "No, that's Marvin" to my post of
Except that no one is advocating that "government mandate injections for an adult to receive the full benefit of human rights and privileges". You're the king of straw man arguments.
...you're responding to the "straw man" statement? Not the "government mandate" statement? Is that what you're saying?
Sheesh. No wonder we're always talking past each other.
Yes, I was responding to the 'straw man' statement. I don't necessarily agree with you about the 'government mandate' statement, but that's not why I brought Marvin into it.
Unfortunate news.
www.yahoo.com
A majority of Americans in highly vaccinated counties now live in covid hot spots, according to Post analysis
Two-thirds of Americans in highly vaccinated counties now live in coronavirus hot spots, according to an analysis by The Washington Post, as outbreaks of the highly transmissible delta variant - once concentrated in poorly vaccinated pockets - ignite in more populated and immunized areas. The...
It is unfortunate, but we continue to panic over infection rates and not hospitalization and mortality rates - both of which are increasing, but for the vaccinated, is still very low.Unfortunate news.
A majority of Americans in highly vaccinated counties now live in covid hot spots, according to Post analysis
Two-thirds of Americans in highly vaccinated counties now live in coronavirus hot spots, according to an analysis by The Washington Post, as outbreaks of the highly transmissible delta variant - once concentrated in poorly vaccinated pockets - ignite in more populated and immunized areas. The...
My nephew just got it and he's fully vaccinated.
for sure. i'm still 100% convinced hot spots are a product of this thing moving like wild fire, again. so when certain moronic posters post look state R has a ton of cases their memories are very short. vaccinated or not it appears when it moves it moves and elevates rates
Los Angeles Experiencing “Alarming Increase” In Covid Hospitalizations, With 8% Of Everyone Infected Now Requiring Admission
With the bulk of new Covid-19 infections occurring among the unvaccinated, the pace of Los Angeles County residents being hospitalized due to the virus has begun rising at an equivalent rate of new cases, while the rate of people dying is also creeping higher, according to figures released...
The path of least resistance is going to be in low vax rate areas, but of course it will then spread beyond them. New Hampshire will have a spike in cases, but I doubt their hospitals will be overwhelmed like in Mississippi.for sure. i'm still 100% convinced hot spots are a product of this thing moving like wild fire, again. so when certain moronic posters post look state R has a ton of cases their memories are very short. vaccinated or not it appears when it moves it moves and elevates rates
Los Angeles Experiencing “Alarming Increase” In Covid Hospitalizations, With 8% Of Everyone Infected Now Requiring Admission
With the bulk of new Covid-19 infections occurring among the unvaccinated, the pace of Los Angeles County residents being hospitalized due to the virus has begun rising at an equivalent rate of new cases, while the rate of people dying is also creeping higher, according to figures released...
it's such a nutty thing w/ the hospitalizations and rate of cases as well. so los angeles county has seen a 700 percent spike since june 15. and is currently experiencing its fastest rate increase ever. so you look at la county it's only about 1,650 people in the hospitals but the headlines sound alarming. across the state of calif they are at 6,500 people hospitalized and almost 75% of icu beds are now full. that's 6,500 for a state of 40 million.
i agree the measure needs to be hospitalizations/deaths but damn it doesn't take much to overwhelm hospitals. more ought to be done to expand beds. more money. more innovation. etc.
You stupid dingleberry. You are still on this?
And you still haven't figured out that the terms social/ economic mobility are used synonymously....as they are the same fkn thing!
The official academic term is socioeconomic mobility.
Socioeconomic mobility in the United States - Wikipedia
This is it in a nutshell. I taken to explaining to people that at least with Delta, there's a big difference in being infected with the virus and being sickened by the virus. Both show up as cases, but only one -- almost unversally among the unvaccinated -- end up in the hospital. Hat Tip to @outside shooter for explaining the distinction some time back in terms a dumbass like me can understand and can pass on to other dumbasses.
Not to mention he followed up saying he wasn't arguing "social" when I proved him wrong but "mobility".You stupid dingleberry. You are still on this?
And you still haven't figured out that the terms social/ economic mobility are used synonymously....as they are the same fkn thing!
The official academic term is socioeconomic mobility.
Socioeconomic mobility in the United States - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
And here somes the yappy little weasel, weighing in on something he's been bitch-slapped on.You stupid dingleberry. You are still on this?
And you still haven't figured out that the terms social/ economic mobility are used synonymously....as they are the same fkn thing!
The official academic term is socioeconomic mobility.
Socioeconomic mobility in the United States - Wikipedia
Economic and social mobilities are not the same, as much as you wish they were.
Please don't include me in that group. It was obvious from statistics what was happening and Outside Shitter was just repeating the obvious.
Please find the word 'social' in my original post. I didn't.
And you continue to whine about something you've been embarrassed about. Get over it - you f'd up. Move on.
I don't think you're a dumbass, but you oftentimes play one on the Internet.
In Indiana, at least, which is experiencing an upswing, hospitals are in no way being overwhelmed.
Indiana COVID-19 Home Dashboard
No kidding. That was obvious to anyone not subscribing to the media driven fear mongering
I linked a freaking OECD article in that discussion. He linked Wiki. Your turn, link something to support your case. You just saying so is less than crap.
So many people rely on articles by 'experts' or what they read on the interwebz when all you have to do is look at the statistics.
or shut 40 million down again because 7,000 are in hospitals stupid ass. the gov is under recall. new ideas other than masks and shutdowns might be prudent
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You are aguing with yourself. I never mentioned 'social mobility'.
Now, Fvck off.
