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who mentioned the word conspiracy? Did you not read where I said Biggie was not the surprise that DAwson was? where was that conspiracy? You have time to edit your post if you wish you didn't write what you did.
When you say press do you mean zone or man...and does it make a difference in your eyes? Is it full, 3/4 pressing and does that make a difference in how it is attacked? Is the press hard to turn the ball or to eat clock? Is the press only on makes or different presses for makes and misses? All these questions might dictate a different skill level. Generally speaking, I think most teams try to eat clock and heavily overplay the posts and try to make the clock an issue. I'm not sure teams pressing hard would have a lasting effect for much of a game or into the season...but who knows...
Stan is gone. He would not have even been in the game much if he had stayed. Don't know why that is an issue. Octeus is replaceable. Purdue hasn't brought that person in yet.
Huh? Why what is an issue? I've said there are no issues. You said we would struggle without Octeus. I said we won't.
Press after made baskets only. It is easier to get organized after a make. I always preferred a trapping zone press. I would expect to see multiple looks.
We will have to see who Purdue finds to handle the ball. Are they more easily trapped? How well do they pass out of a double team? Can they beat a zone off the dribble? We won't press the whole game, but I expect to see us do it and especially against a team without an experienced or elite pg.
Has TC ever used a press extensively? Other than late game situations?
They melted down over Gordon and this is the same or worse. Purdue grads are not hypocrites so I am sure they are ripping He and his family on GBI right now.
That is a very common approach and reasons for it. Within the zone press it may start with pressure on the triggerman and it may allow the pass in. It may force sideline and it may force inside. It may be there to cause turnovers and it may be there to eat clock. However in any zone, whether full, 3/4 on in the half court the general rules remain the same. Any zone places people in space anbd any zone attack si more cerebral than a man attack. Purdue has some basketball smarts and what they may lack in physical quickness may be compensated by several that are older and understand the game better today than a high school kid. With any zone press that releases a man to trap proper offensive spacing and understanding can help compensate. I doubt any press over a game will bother Purdue, but a press in a short spurt might be a differnce in a game that has been tight for 35 minutes.
I'm one that thinks Octeus was GREAT for Purdue this year. I would love to get another like him. However, this Purdue team will nto need Octeus as much next year as this last year...at least I don't think so. What is true is that Purdue may not be able to play from behind much and is slow overall as a team. Vince and Dakota are much more basketball smart than most freshmen and with another year should be better. PJ lacking in size will have the physical mental battle going on in that he physically may not be able to do what his mind wants, but with enough bigs that may require more than a single player's attention...it might allow PJ more open looks...IF no PG comes to Purdue.
If it's a business decision then he wouldn't be going to PU. He'd go to a higher profile school, like MSU or UK. So not sure PU makes sense if that is the case.
And when he announced for MSU, he also said it was down to them and Cal. I'm not implying anything shady, but it's pretty strange.
"I am not sure I'm seeing an issue. Even with Swanigan Purdue has a scholarship left for a point guard."
That's right. If Swanigan chooses Purdue, that would fill 12 of the 13 for next season:
1. SF/G Davis (Sr.)
2. C Hammons (Sr.)
3. SF Smotherman (Jr.)
4. SG Stephens (Jr.)
5. F/G Edwards (So.)
6. C Haas (So.)
7. CG Mathias (So.)
8. PG Thompson (So.)
9. PF Taylor (RS Fr.)
10. SG Cline (Fr.)
11. G Weatherford (Fr.)
12. PF/C Swanigan (Fr.) ?
13. vacant
There are a few immediately eligible DI transfer PG's still available (Johnny Hill of UT-Arlington would be a solid get) and there's new transfers made public pretty much every single day for the first few months of the offseason. IIRC, I don't think Jon Octeus' announcement to leave Colorado State was until May or June last year. There are quite a few JC PG's still available as well. A couple of the uncommitted JC All-American PG's that I know of are Marcus Johnson, Jr. (Hill College) and Bryce Jones (Jones County CC). They both have impressive numbers from this past season, particularly Johnson.
That's right. If Swanigan chooses Purdue, that would fill 12 of the 13 for next season:
1. SF/G Davis (Sr.)
2. C Hammons (Sr.)
3. SF Smotherman (Jr.)
4. SG Stephens (Jr.)
5. F/G Edwards (So.)
6. C Haas (So.)
7. CG Mathias (So.)
8. PG Thompson (So.)
9. PF Taylor (RS Fr.)
10. SG Cline (Fr.)
11. G Weatherford (Fr.)
12. PF/C Swanigan (Fr.) ?
13. vacant
There are a few immediately eligible DI transfer PG's still available (Johnny Hill of UT-Arlington would be a solid get) and there's new transfers made public pretty much every single day for the first few months of the offseason. IIRC, I don't think Jon Octeus' announcement to leave Colorado State was until May or June last year. There are quite a few JC PG's still available as well. A couple of the uncommitted JC All-American PG's that I know of are Marcus Johnson, Jr. (Hill College) and Bryce Jones (Jones County CC). They both have impressive numbers from this past season, particularly Johnson.
If you haven't noticed the media the last few years you might need to listen less? People say things for a variety of reasons and are not always truthful. I was shocked he didn't announce for Purdue initially just because it was a situation that all indicators pointed to being of importance. I won't be shocked if he lands at Purdue or another spot? It is not a huge thing either way for me. He is NOT a Robinson, but is a solid player that has some promise. Purdue and most schools could use his abilities. Rosie makes enough money and with his career he couldn't begin to get involved in a penny thing...and if it were shady for Biggie...why NOW? Purdue has lost plenty of good players if they were shady enough to continually land 5 stars and such...why haven't they?
Rosie is going to advise Biggie based upon his indepth understanding of how things really are than various forum members. The weighting of the variouis varibles I'm sure will be shared with Biggie and it may lead to Purdue or it may lead to another spot. There will be people supporting many different schools that will question whatever school biggie picks based upon THEIR views, not the informed views (which could still be wrong) of Rosie.. Purdue can use him, but if not life goes on and Purdue will still be good next year...
Probably good news. I was thinking they might be able to lure a good pg transfer and it'd fill in their glaring weakness. Hill doesn't seem all that impressive of a pickup imo.
How is this the same or worse? I didn't realize Swanigan had been committed to Michigan State for a year like Gordon had been with Illinois.
For the record, I didn't think it was a big deal that Gordon switched. You guys had a new coach and I get it. But saying Swanigan was the same or worse just doesn't hold much water IMO.
Holds plenty of water thank you.
Both are intra league transfers that the GBI hate crowd said were strictly prohibited due to the sacred gentlemen's agreements that were discussed for three months over there after the Gordon transfer.
Now consider the hate thrown from your dugout regarding Dawson which by the way, has the exact same quantity of evidence regarding foul play as this Swanigan transfer...getting interesting huh Sparky?
Hope that helps.
Dawson and Swanigan are nothing alike but I do appreciate your effort. You do realize the Dawson info about shady recruiting was first discussed on here by Bloom right? It then was discussed on our boards after that.
Being defensive and avoiding the subject isn't helping your cause. Try first acknowledging the sacred gentlemen's agreement meltdown and then discuss it. The Dawson aspect (which even rudimentary reading comprehension would tell you I have zero belief in either case...regardless of who discussed it first) is simply an additional hypocritical complexity that your fellow GBIers have created for themselves.
Personally I could care less, the kid should play where he and Rosie Want him to. Recruiting is not sanitary anywhere, trust me I have first hand exposure, but I don't think Matt Painter is anywhere near the level of crap that goes on in MANY places.
I don't think it said that it wasn't rehabbed properly. I took it to mean he needs to work harder on getting it back in shape. I imagine he will be fine by November.
Yes, I'm disappointed because I thought CMP could get someone (a JC transfer or hold off and wait for someone else to transfer) that's more of a threat offensively, to go along with being a distributor and adept at controlling the tempo. He seems pretty average up to this point in his career. Jon Octeus had better numbers prior to his transfer to Purdue. Hill doesn't have great career shooting stats and his A/TO ratio has been rather pedestrian for being a starting PG two out of his three seasons. Maybe he can improve his shooting and tighten up handles, but it would have been more assuring to get someone with more impressive credentials. He has experience playing extended minutes. That's probably the best thing about his arrival.
He can be a good backup but that's what P.J. Thompson's ceiling is as well (IMO) so I don't know how much this will help. I don't think he's the answer in having a high-level primary PG for next season. One of the returnees needs to transform their game this offseason and step it up a level if the Boilers are going to have a real difference-maker at the 1 (Edwards and Mathias are the best passers). This is what happens when a coach misses on several of his PG targets for a certain class (Jalen Brunson, Glynn Watson, Villanova transfer Dylan Ennis).
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Swanigan has committed to Purdue.
1. SF/G Davis (Sr.)
2. C Hammons (Sr.)
3. PG Johnny Hill (Sr.)
4. SF Smotherman (Jr.)
5. SG Stephens (Jr.)
6. F/G Edwards (So.)
7. C Haas (So.)
8. CG Mathias (So.)
9. PG Thompson (So.)
10. PF Taylor (RS Fr.)
11. SG Cline (Fr.)
12. PF/C Swanigan (Fr.)
13. G Weatherford (Fr.)
Boiler Up
1. SF/G Davis (Sr.)
2. C Hammons (Sr.)
3. PG Johnny Hill (Sr.)
4. SF Smotherman (Jr.)
5. SG Stephens (Jr.)
6. F/G Edwards (So.)
7. C Haas (So.)
8. CG Mathias (So.)
9. PG Thompson (So.)
10. PF Taylor (RS Fr.)
11. SG Cline (Fr.)
12. PF/C Swanigan (Fr.)
13. G Weatherford (Fr.)
Boiler Up
Congratulations on your great pickup and probably is the highest rated player since Robinson. The couple of times I saw Swanigan I was not totally impressed but you could see that he has talent. The only problem I can see is that you guys had great team chemistry and bringing someone like this could hurt that if Swanigan comes in with his own agenda.
Swanigan is very skilled, but plays a below the rim game at 6'7 1/2" 270. He rebounds mostly by boxing out with his girth, and has an excellent jump shot out to 3pt range, and is an good FT shooter for a 4. Defensively if his man takes him out of the lane and off the dribble Swanigan is going to struggle and he complains a lot on any call against him, much like Bryson Scott when he was in HS, and that attitude clashed with Coach MP. Swanigan is being guided on the fast track to a pro career by Rosie Barnes his agent handler/guardian. Swanigan also pouted when he posted up and did not get the ball when he wanted it in HS. He will demand his touches which could hurt team chemistry, but he is PU's most skilled low post offensive player. Hammons and Swanigan are going to be a difficult duo in the half court. Beating them up the court will be the most effective way to score inside against the twin beef inside of PU.
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Everything I've seen from Albert is not all that impressive. He dominated 6'4 white centers in HS, is very lazy as evidenced by his frumpy build and, most disturbing, his handlers. No way would I want any kid that committed and de-committed in the span of a week. Horrible.
Bryant is much better and has much higher character
Bryant is much better and has much higher character
Heehee..the proof will be in their play now won't it? I think you should contact his handler, Rosie Barnes so you two can sit down and talk about Biggie's shortcomings and lack of character.
I couldn't care less. Just glad Crean didn't bother with him and he's not playing for IU.
Oh it looks like you care quite a bit to speak so poorly of a high school kid. I'm guessing you must sit on a rather high pinnacle to pass so many morale judgments like you do of others.
nah - AAU kids like Albert have unfortunately become a dime a dozen and they are preyed on with 'handlers' like Barnes. I'll pass.
So I guess you are saying no to the Makur's? Because talk about handlers that is on a whole different level.
Not a huge fan of this situation either. Reeks of desperation on Crean's part
I would be very leery of recruiting Maker because his handlers has already gotten one team in trouble.
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