Hoeppner coached Miami Ohio in its bowl game. IIRC when he told his players before the game that he was leaving he also introduced their new coach Shane Montgomery at the same time.
Playing devil’s advocate on Cignetti…
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by no means dispositive but i suspect beating the top of the sbc is comparable if not harder than beating the bottom of the big ten. rpi: look where the bottom of the big ten falls. the sbc is exceptionally competitive from top to bottom. hell louisiana was top 25 a few years ago
24 jmu
30 troy
44 app st
52 coastal
58 marshall
67 ga state
69 tx state
76 minny
84 ill
90 nebraska
94 purdue
123 indiana
Yep... so the actual day to day challenges he'll be working on (recruiting, practicing, games, etc...)...I don't think its all that big of a jump for him. Take away all the perceptions, the scope, etc associated with coaching in the B10... He's already been competing with lower level B10 and ACC schools, recruiting wise, for kids the last few years at JMU... he's been playing against teams as good or better than the teams he needs to beat at IU...
The main challenge for him, I think, will be how he deals with adversity. Its been a while since he's had to deal with it. And pretty much no matter how good he ends up being at IU, he's going to have to deal with more losses than he's used to. I don't think he needs to accept losing to teams like OSU and Michigan...but he's going to initially. Navigating through that, and making sure he can keep himself, his staff, and the players dialed in...and beating the other teams...will be his main challenge.
and recruiting. you have connections that i trust are mostly w/ coaches throughout the carolinas, virginia, mid atlantic etc. and now he has to establish the midwest too. but all that is a guess
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My only concern with Cignetti is his age, but if he can get IU headed in the right direction and give us a good five or six years, it makes this job much more attractive for the next coaching search.
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He is a much better candidate than I thought IU would land given how bad our history is.
lastly re quality of the sun belt. both marshall and app state beat top ten teams on the road last season in notre dame and texas am
I think if i were JMU I would be more concerned. He will have to determine who will be coming with him to IU from the coaching staff. He will have to evaluate his roster. He will have to hit the road recruiting as he will not be recruiting the same kids. He will have to evaluate IU commits right away with early signing date upon us.
I think I would rather play the top schedule as opposed to the BIG schedule .But can't wait to see Coach Cignetti work his magic.
Some of you are too hungup on age. Many people nowadays are very active and vital well into their 70s. As long as you take care of yourself. Go to your local Y sometime, you might be surprised.
A splashy young hire might not stay here long. That was my only concern with Herman
True but with an older hire there's a definite upper limit. We *know* we'll be hiring another Football (and Basketball) coach in the next 5-10 years. But certainly that could happen anyway either because the coach doesn't perform or gets a better offer elsewhere. Nothing is guaranteed and it's only one factor among many to consider.
I've also seen people get dementia in their 60s. People are supposed to retire at 62 for a reason. IU is forfeiting the ability to have a coach with a long tenure like Mallory. Health matters: see Hep.
I think 62 as a retirement age has been around forever and is outmoded. Look at a 60 year old today vs even 25 years ago
He has raised the level of play at JMU and wiill now be D1 eligible for playing in a bowl game.
Excuse me but WHERE does it say people are supposed to retire at 62?
I guess it depends on what you consider big things. A new coaching staff with a new system and what looks like mostly new players will take time to jell. If we win 3 or 4 games it wouldn’t surprise or disappoint me although I’m hoping for 6 wins.
Doesn't have to be as good as he once was, as long as he's as good once (a week) as he ever was.
you'll get your second and third winds.
I guess there isn't a perfect candidate. But, I don't like intentionally limiting possibilities, either. Realistically, how many years does he have left in him? 6?
lots of coaches in the pros and elsewhere well into their 70s.
Joe Paterno was 84 and was aware and had his finger on the pulse of everything going on in that program, until the very en.... Uh... nevermind.
Next year we are almost surely 3-4 against our cupcakes and OSU, UM, Washington and UCLA.
To go to a bowl (6-6) we would need to win three of Maryland, Nebraska, Purdue, @ MSU, @NW which is not impossible but a tall order. Be interesting to see what the roster looks like in a month or two.
While it would be better if he was 50, as an example, his age doesn’t bother me.
Since Mallory our coaches have only lasted 5, 3, 2, 4, 5 and 7 years. It would be GREAT if Cig coaches 6-10 years and turns the program into a desirable destination. We will see.
Mallory was here 12 years, let’s not pretend like he had a Paterno like career at IU. Plenty of coaches are in it into the early 70s. We could easily see 10 years out of Cignetti
I used to get hung up on age a ton with respect to coaches but I just want to win. If he wins at IU and retires or leaves or whatever after 4-6 seasons then he will have left the program on much more steady ground than he found it and that would be appealing to another coach.
I think he's a much better option than Paul Chryst or Justin Frye or even Jason Candle. He's won with less and won everywhere he's gone. Hell, Jonathan Smith was my top choice and that guy is under .500 in his coaching career. I would have preferred Fritz and Chadwell too but they're probably going to be able to take the South Carolina and Florida jobs if they want when they open up.
I think this was home run given the other truly serious candidates. I admit, I was a big Tom Herman fan but Coach Cig checks all the boxes but age for me.
I think he's a much better option than Paul Chryst or Justin Frye or even Jason Candle. He's won with less and won everywhere he's gone. Hell, Jonathan Smith was my top choice and that guy is under .500 in his coaching career. I would have preferred Fritz and Chadwell too but they're probably going to be able to take the South Carolina and Florida jobs if they want when they open up.
I think this was home run given the other truly serious candidates. I admit, I was a big Tom Herman fan but Coach Cig checks all the boxes but age for me.
Does anyone know if Dolson has given him an extension yet ?
We voted in 2 of the oldest presidents in history. Cignetti is 10 years younger than Saban. Heps health wasn’t age related either. Weird post.
Only issue is his age. Could turn into another Coach Hep situation easily but I'm praying he's Jim Boeheim and can coach into his mid 70s.
Weird is the kindest thing one could say about that post.
Health issues increase with age. Everybody dies from a health condition at some point.
