Good point re a sanctioning body.
As for the rest I’d choose my words more carefully. That’s a warning
Oh man Tyson vs Jake Paul in July
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As for the rest I’d choose my words more carefully. That’s a warning
If there isn’t a knockout one way or the other by round 3 look for Tyson to give up & throw in the towel. Anyone see Tyson & remember how his last fight ended? He’s there for a paycheck, not to win a fight. I his relatively short prime, I don’t know if anyone would beat him, including the GOAT Ali…
They haven’t approved the fight - yet - as an officially sanctioned fight. If they don’t it’ll be a waste of time and money. They’ll just putz around.
I think Ali in his prime would annihilate Tyson. Same type of reach as Lewis, but much, much quicker and tougher to hit. Jab, jab, jab. True, Lewis was bigger (taller and heavier) but I just don't see Tyson landing too many on Ali.
Ali was incredible. I think there was a short window where Tyson was unbeatable before prison and he would have gotten inside on Ali with his speed. And that power…. Would have been something
I tend to agree. If Tyson got inside the reach once or twice it would be over. Ali would have to clutch every time it happened or get KTFO.
So Tyson hit that much harder than Foreman and Frazier in their primes?
All 3 (Tyson/Foreman/Frazier) were very powerful but different fighters.
Ali could beat Foreman to the punch with his speed at distance, and smother his power on the inside. With Frazier, Ali couldn't smother him inside so he had to get in and get out, and beat him at distance. With prime Tyson, he was so explosive from all angles and both hands and could close distance so fast, it would've been harder for Ali to negate Tyson's power than Foreman or Frazier.
Joe Frazier was, imo, a lesser version of Tyson & gave Ali fits.
Edit: & Frazier had less power(I think?), but was tougher than Tyson, so maybe Ali just weathers a few rounds & then pummels Tyson. We never got to see him go deep into matches in his prime, but that’s because he annihilated everyone.
In terms of the nexus of explosiveness and power, those two guys aren’t even in Tyson’s atmosphere.
I certainly don’t think he could employ his rope-a-dope against Tyson. Maybe the most underrated thing about Ali though is his chin. That was one tough motherfvcker. Not sure he could weather the Tyson storm though…
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The first Ali-Frazier fight might be a decent comparison. Tyson might have gone all out attempting to drop Ali early in the fight, since that is what Tyson did in his prime, but maybe he'd realize that might not work with Ali, If Tyson fought like prime Tyson the fight might look more like Ali-Foreman.
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That explosiveness is what goes to shit over time. Like by 35
This guy ranks both Foreman and Shavers ahead of Tyson in terms of power:
Tyson fought for 21 years. Had 61 bouts. He was never knocked out. Was only knocked down 3 or 4 times. And, as the man said in his own words:
Much different stylistically than Foreman. George’s damage was usually done from afar as opposed to Tyson who was lethal in close, getting inside your guard…
Shavers was definitely a one punch put you out dude. He was my dad’s favorite
I’d be curious to see how Tyson fury would do against that era. He’s 6’9
I don’t doubt that Foreman is overall more powerful. He’d have to be at that size. But guys like Ali could dance around him because he was so slow. Tyson has the power and the speed which made him lethal.
Shavers is similar. A slugger who struggled against more complete boxers like Ali and Holmes.
Look up Tyron woodley vs THE PROBLEM CHILD. That’s a 40 yr old ufc champ used to getting hit. 60 yr old Tyson couldn’t take that punch
If you watch that immediately after he lands the right that wobbled Foreman (~1:02), Ali could have easily thrown and landed another right. But he didn't.
Ali was great.
I know, I meant in terms of how a fight might go between Ali and Tyson. If Tyson tries to do what prime Tyson always tried to do and went all out for a knockout as early in the fight as possible, and he failed to get one (Ali was not only a great fighter, he could also take punches that knocked others out), Tyson might have ended up being knocked out himself later in the fight like Foreman was.
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very hard to argue with that assessment. really good take. incidentally i saw leon spinks in person a few times. he was a mess. pretty sad. this rummy's corner is good. link one with THE PROBLEM CHILD from rummy's corner
I have seen that. There is no doubt he can hit hard. I’ve been a little surprised how easily he’s beaten the UFC guys he’s faced. Granted, they’re all washed up & probably aren’t taking it too seriously, but still…
I’d love to see Tyson knock his head clean off, then maybe my boy will quit wanting that awful Prime drink all of the time…
I’d love to see Tyson knock his head clean off, then maybe my boy will quit wanting that awful Prime drink all of the time…
It’s not that they are just washed up, it’s the difference between a mixed martial artist, and a boxer. A mixed martial artist has to be really good at multiple facets of the game, a boxer needs to box.
It must be very hard for those mixed martial artist to resist kicking. It’s like having one arm tied behind their back.
Again completely agree. However they should/be used to taking a punch. Hell with small gloves.
The first poster of any kind I had on my wall as a boy was of Muhammad Ali with is “Float like a butterfly…” quote. It wasn’t my choice, but my dad’s. It took me a long time to understand why, but I eventually did.
You’re right, Ali was great. He was a great boxer too…
Paul has terrific power. It’s why he’ll eventually win that fight.
Woodley grew up avoiding those hits by using other tools. Tools he couldn’t use in that fight.
This thread has me remembering how great boxing used to be. Back when you could turn on Wide World of sports & watch Hagler, Leonard, Holmes, Hearns, Mancini, Ali, etc. fights called by Howard Cosell on ABC. I grew up watching those. Seems like the HBO Showtime stuff came along about the same time as Tyson, but maybe I misremember…
You bet. My memory is shit but didn’t Tyson come along with the ppv (who is getting the fight)
I don’t remember how early in his career, but I do specifically recall being pissed that the Buster Douglas fight from Tokyo was on HBO at the time, so I had to find a bar to watch it in. That’s still the most shocked I’ve ever been about a sporting event…
And I can remember the 90 second fights and people bitching bc they “paid for it”
Brad better either have a lot of old tapes or good enough service to watch old fights on YouTube on the mountain or it ain’t a place worth livin’.
If anyone gets bored this weekend, watch Hagler vs Hearns on YouTube. WOW.
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