That is kind of a Trump point though isn't it? More MAGA than typical conservative viewpoint up to Trump.
believe me i'd take gwb over biden in a heartbeat. i'd take any random at target in a pin the tail on the next donkey over biden and harris. for me no duo compares to those two in the modern era for worthlessness. but yes it is definitely a maga viewpoint and reflects the intra division in the party. i'm far more trump than bush. how that gets reconciled in the party moving forward is lost on me
Our dead in Iraq approximates our dead in Afghanistan. And we went in with no end state in mind and no exit plan. It was abjectly terrible.
I know you probably have some personal issues with things but that is a pretty cheap shot.
It’s not a cheap shot. A colonel in any armed forces branch should know military strategy and not rush us into endless conflicts. Destroy Al Qaeda - get the **** out. Don’t invade Iraq and if you do don’t dismantle the military.
Need to see trend before 2019. Looks like it has bounced back post-covid to prior trend line (kind of like the stock market).
Maybe people expect credit card debt forgiveness. 🤣A little re pre pandemicAmericans' credit card debt hits record $1.13 trillion
Credit card debt increased by $50 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023 alone, a 4.6% jump from the previous quarter.abcnews.go.com
There has to be some way to fill the gap between old prices and new. Extra gig. Cut back. Deplete/reduce savings. Or cc
Not sure. The libs keep telling me what a disgusting human being he is. Probably took naked showers with Ivanka when she was little. Oh wait.
Credit card debt forgiveness would actually be less regressive than student loan forgiveness.
That is still a cheap ass shot. There is a whole host of military people that were involved in the planning of that along with military men turned civilian advisors like Powell. Should he have known better? I suppose, but there are a metric ****-ton of people who made mistakes on what they supported or advised at that same time and a whole host of people who drew up those plans that they thought were great until they weren't.
We in effect did. We asked them to hand him over and they told us to f--- off because their culture demanded protecting a guest.
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Doesn't matter. We should have just paid them no mind. They were not our enemy.We in effect did. We asked them to hand him over and they told us to f--- off because their culture demanded protecting a guest.
Taliban Won't Turn Over Bin Laden
Hard-Line Militia Rejects President Bush's Demands
They were telling us to **** off the very day of the attack.
Respectfully, you live in an alternate universe with magic weapons if you think it was going to be possible to invade Afghanistan and drop bombs on Al Qaeda and just pay the Taliban no mind. They had a bit of say in that too...not to mention that Al Qaeda was pretty much embedded with them in many cases as well.
I don't think you have to be a colonel to know that. And he wasn't the only one. The whole wing of Bush's GOP wanted to go in, didn't they?
Iraq was a mistake. Going into Afghanistan wasn't. The mistake there was not packing up and leaving those people the day after Bin Laden was sent to hell to get ****ed in the ass by 70 virgin goats.
Here's a question: on the list of biggest American foreign policy blunders, are any of them "Didn't go to war in X?"
I think it was worse to be honest. Vietnam’s cost, while tragic, was minimized to that country and sentiment at home. The damage we caused in the volatile-but-necessary Middle East is more costly.
Bullshit. Where does the buck stop?
European Colonialism is part of what messed it up with the arbitrary lines Britain and France drew through there after WW1.
The mistake was not obliterating AQ and getting out. Being in Afghanistan forever and a day didn’t help find Bin Laden. That was done the old school way.
Nah, that is bullshit too.
I can agree with some of that but you and I both know damn well that the only way you were "obliterating AQ" was going to end up with the type of video that gets people all out of sorts these days. (See Gaza) Those dudes looked like civilians and lived with their families in their little terror camps. We had people complaining about what we did do.
None of that is true. We didn’t need to have a huge force on the ground to piece together the case. Nothing that happened couldn’t have happened with targeted SF incursions into the fray.
Hell, the way the government was handing out money and making sure employers paid workers, why did anyone have to go into debt? Inflation, ok, but CC debt shouldn't have gone up that much.
Some would say not marching on from Berlin to Moscow in 1945.
Treasonous? Come on man. You are right though, we aren't going to agree on this.
Nation building gets a bad name, but it worked pretty well for Japan and Western Europe after WWII.
When you frame a president in terms of fiduciary obligations/duty as applied outside of pure finance, he’s a traitor. He ruined our country for decades.
I'm not sure how old either of you guys are, but the US was out for blood after 9/11 and Iraq was the perfect boogeyman. They had the evil Hitler-like leader and were bullying their neighbors. And Saddam tricked everyone into thinking he had WMDs because he didn't think anyone would invade if they thought he had them.
We tried that. Told them to turn over bin Laden and AQ and we wouldn't invade.
Explain that logic to the 58k KIA families.
