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How Do We Feel About Sony Pulling The Movie

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About the assassination of North Krazy Dictator Kim Jong Ill Dong Un Sung Kim?

I say they should play it free on every broadcast channel and cable channel.

Then he'd Wes Wown Wee.
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I don't like it.

Bad move.....but Sony probably has more stuff they're afraid is going to be released, so their going to wuss out to NK.
 
When I first heard about that movie.......


I did a double take. A major motion picture joking about killing another head of state? The North Korean leaders are nuts and tyrants just like the Cubans and I don't care about hurting their feelings but the whole concept WAS fairly provocative.

It actually made me a little uncomfortable for some reason. (That was of course before all of this blew up)
 
i noticed the major studios didn't all go all out to make the movie version of "The Satanic Verses".
 
Hate it and reminded me of the Great Dictator

A movie by Charlie Chaplin that was originally banned in countries due to fact that it made fun of Hitler. But once Germany started the war, it was shown everywhere and was immensely popular. I miss the time when we weren't scared of everything.
 
I really don't give a rip about Sony or any of the

celebs who secretly behaved like the morons many of us think they are. I think Sony was more concerned about release of more stolen documents than the threats of another 9-11. But the theaters saw it another way, probably because of advice of counsel.

Sony was stupid to even make a movie with this story line. NK's response must have been foreseen. I wonder if there is history here that should be considered.

However, in the larger sense, since this totalitarian intimidation worked for reasons probably unique to this story and these parties, I think we will see copycats. We have made ourselves vulnerable to this kind of stuff with our national preoccupation with guilt over a number of current issues.
 
Spot on . . .

I have absolutely no sympathy for Sony for doing something as stupid making a movie about an assassination of the head of the craziest nuclear state in the world.

Free speech is one thing . . . but the exercise of "free speech" becomes pretty cheap if it's used to "justify", and/or demand governmental protection against the consequences of, stupidity like this.

I was wondering whether a head of state might be able to sue Sony for misappropriation of his/her likeness in a circumstance like this . . . it would be rich to see Kim Jung Un getting all righteous in US courts against Sony on a theory like that instead of using the threat of violence . . . .
 
Were there any 80s movies where the Russians weren't the enemy?

I'm thinking off the top of my head, Red Dawn, Spies Like Us, Top Gun, Rocky IV, etc... Movies depicting a communist nuclear power as a bad guy didn't used to be a problem.

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This post was edited on 12/17 11:18 PM by BGunn
 
The Russians got it . . .

and pretty much felt the same way about their government.

North Korea is bat-sh!^-crazy on a nuclear scale . . . them people just ain't rational.

Besides, did a movie ever include the assassination of a sitting Soviet head of government? I don't think so . . . .
 
North Koreans don't love their government anymore than the Russians did.

Both live in fear. Let's see how long it takes for the Russians to become bat-sh!^ crazy as you say, now that they are hurting from the oil crash and Obama added more restrictions. Talk about poking a bear.



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You keep pooping on the film based on the trailer.

But I keep hearing that the film is very funny. I get the you hate Rogen, but a lot of his films are actually funny. Out of curiosity, what are the last 3 funniest films you've seen? I find that comedy can be very, very subjective.
 
Let me start here


Sony is a giant multinational corporation. It displays no allegiance to anyone. F#ck Sony. If this incident causes Sony to produce worse than expected returns for its shareholders, then f#ck them too. Who cares?

I stand second to no one in my contempt for the pathological Kims in North Korea. But why do we imagine that Sony is a stand in for democratic principles? Instead, Sony promptly cratered, to protect its bottom line. Think about how cowardly these decisions really are.
 
Actually, I generally just like pooping on Hollywood.

There are people here and there who still produce good films, but they are becoming rarer and rarer.

Last 3 funniest films? That's tough. I'd say in the past 15 years or so, I'd name Super Troopers, Best in Show, and - this is probably controversial among comedy lovers - Tropic Thunder. I reserve the right to change that list when you respond with, "Yeah, but you forgot about [blank]."

I don't have a problem with Rogen in theory. He's a funny guy. I actually liked Zach and Miri Make a Porno. I thought it was the perfect film for his style. But the dude is in like one movie every four months. A lot of it is crap just based on the laws of mathematics.

I think the problem with Hollywood comedies is this: I think the best comedy is subversive. Hollywood likes to play things safe. I like films like M.A.S.H., Bulworth and Life of Brian, all films which are funny as hell, but also get your neurons firing by making you just a little bit uncomfortable. Oh, and you can add just about any Mel Brooks film to that list. Love Mel Brooks. It's the best kind of subversion, the kind that makes fun of Hollywood itself. Every Mel Brooks movie is a comedic homage to Singin' in the Rain.

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Yeah!

Let's waterboard the CEO of Sony and then give Seth Rogan a spinach juice and quinoa enema! They all deserve it.

Screw the multinationals.

And North Korea too.
 
Just another crappy movie I won't have to ignore


like pretty much everything that comes out of Hollywood these days. Now, back to TCM.
 
Well . . .

Russia under Putin could end up being bat-sh!^ crazy too, with their economy tanking with the price of oil. But Putin's popularity in Russia has never been higher . . . and the Kims are revered by the general population in North Korea.
 
It's not the movie being pulled that bothers me. What I want to know is. .

How can we blame this on President Obama? There has to be a way to attach him to this.
 
Tropic Thunder was hilarious. An underrated and unappreciated. . .

Comedy. And it has arguably the best character ever played by Tom Cruise.

Two more comedies I'd recommend are Hot Tub Time Machine and a Bulworth. I'm not sure if Bulworth falls into the comedy category, but it's very funny. I agree on Best in Show. A Mighty Wind is also very funny.
 
Things that annoy North Korea

I thought this was funny. I especially liked the following:
Skewering the issue with its inimitable brand of satire, The Onion summed up North Korea's melodramatic tendencies in 2006 with a spoof article about Kim Jong Un's father and predecessor, entitled, "Kim Jong-Il Interprets Sunrise As Act Of War."
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Hit it
 
Didn't Frank Drebin once beat up a host of dictators?

Slightly different, but I recall one of the Naked Guns involving him pummeling several dictators. I do recall us nuking Moscow in several movies (though to be fair in one we then nuked NY to make up for it).

I think the movie looked terrible, I HAD no interest in seeing it. I do think the choice to use a real person as the target was a bad idea. But not the capital had. I feel I have to see it now. Censorship is censorship. A government, any government, actively preventing me from seeing something is wrong. I would not accept it from my government, I sure won't from someone else's. As you mention below, the Brits had a movie involving Bush 43. I find it in poor taste, but we didn't stop the movie nor would I have supported us stopping the movie.

I have no love for Sony, they screwed me over with the Betamax and I hold a long grudge. But this isn't about them, this is about whether a foreign government can tell us what we can and cannot do. And that answer is clearly, yes they can. But that should not be the answer.

If they showed the movie tomorrow, I'd go see it. I'd pay cash as I don't doubt they would attempt to hack into ticket purchase information, but I'd go.
 
"I'd pay cash . . ."


" . . . they screwed me over with the Betamax and I hold a long grudge."

Priceless stuff . . .

. . . I'll remember not to screw you over!
 
Re: Didn't Frank Drebin once beat up a host of dictators?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foll8sDGq4M
 
Mark Steyn weighs in

wtih his usual pointed and amusing take: The money quote:
"Hollywood has spent the 21st century retreating from storytelling into a glossy, expensive CGI playground in which nothing real is at stake. That's all we'll be getting from now on. Oh, and occasional Oscar bait about embattled screenwriters who stood up to the House UnAmerican Activities Committee six decades ago, even as their successors cave to, of all things, Kim's UnKorean Activities Committee. American pop culture - supposedly the most powerful and influential force on the planet - has just surrendered to a one-man psycho-state economic basket-case that starves its own population."
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It is a basic rule of life that if you reward bad behavior, you get more of it.
 
Corporations though are cowardly

I do think American culture, be it good or bad, has been a powerful influence. Our corporations however heed to lawyers who believe the phrase "risk management" is a synonym for "no".

What escapes attention here to an extent is the problem of Sony being hacked. I am sure someone inside Sony was involved in the news story that the hacking was incredibly sophisticated because it eluded their antivirus. If that is the measure of sophistication of attack, then there are millions of them. I have repaired dozens of boxes that off the shelf products couldn't find (there are better products out there, Malwarebytes is great at finding things normal AV can't, and it isn't even the best).

What amazed me is that Sony lacked perimeter protection. Sony should have seen 100TB of data flying out of server(s). Most places I have worked have that ability. I've seen warnings for 200Gb. Now maybe that is the sophistication, the perimeter was also compromised but I seriously doubt it. Just a guess, but they were a bit too lax on that front.

Which leads to the bigger problem, all our corporations are being hacked. Seriously, what's going on. I've attended security conferences and classes since the mid-90s. I've heard the stories about the NSA offering jobs to the best and brightest in math for work with computer systems. I theorize they've been working offensively. But I suspect they know the weak spots and could easily share them, but do not so they have their ways in. Believe me, I've heard more than a few people suggest the flaws that used to plague Microsoft were items the NSA loved. Maybe we need to get some first round picks on the defensive side of the ball. The NSA needs to turn its attention to helping American corporations and software makers. We are all very vulnerable. At the last class I was at, the instructor flat out said if the NSA or Chinese want in your server, there is nothing you can do to stop them. He said Russian gangs weren't far behind that. It is a problem we have to fix. Sony's other issues aside, the hacking itself is a huge concern.
 
Yes, But, Question

If North Korea can hack Sony, can they hack the power grid? The nuclear weapons system?

Embarrassing e-mails and despicable albeit empty threats about shooting up movie theatres may not be the issue.
 
Sooo . . . .

NK decided that further rewarding Sony's irresponsible bad taste in movies was not acceptable? Is that what Steyn is saying?
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Would that the American public demanded better movies . . . maybe there's an upside for us in this mess . . . .
 
I suspect that SONY's main fear...

Was of the lawsuits that would result if a theatre was attacked while showing their movie.
 
There you go again . . .

well, one thing lawyers say yes to when it comes to risk management is the spending required to do infosec the right way.

In any case, I fart on your first paragraph - loudly.

Signed,

The Business Prevention Department

PS - I too know how to hold a grudge . . . .
 
My Thought About THAT Was

How would North Korea pull that off?
If a North Korean operative escaped North Korea and lived in the US, wouldn't basically give them the "you'll never see or hear from again - they have FOOD here."

Maybe pay some other terrorists?

Once it was clear it was North Korea, I pretty nuch stopped fearing any actual violence.
They lack the assests on the ground.

BUT - they could maybe turn off the electricity.
 
Re: Yes, But, Question

Power grid, yes. Nuclear weapon systems, no. The latter is simply not accessible via any network--in part, because the systems are so old.
 
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