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Duke does not use basketball as an excuse to notWhy are they able to be good at both football and basketball?
(They are on the verge of upsetting Clemson as I type)
Duke does not use basketball as an excuse to not
win at football. So called basketball schools can
be really good at both with the proper support
and backing. Noticed the Duke students stuck
around for the whole game.
Well, pretenders then.IU isn’t a basketball school, at least by the criteria one would normally use.
To be considered a basketball school, you have to finish first a bunch in your conference, in recent history, win the conference tournament at least once in the 20+ year history, not routinely get trounced in the post-season.
Don’t mistake enthusiasm for results.
Well, pretenders then.
i like their qb. makes a lot of difference having a guy like that under centerWhy are they able to be good at both football and basketball?
(They are on the verge of upsetting Clemson as I type)
So should we be considered only a soccer school then?IU isn’t a basketball school, at least by the criteria one would normally use.
To be considered a basketball school, you have to finish first a bunch in your conference, in recent history, win the conference tournament at least once in the 20+ year history, not routinely get trounced in the post-season.
Don’t mistake enthusiasm for results.
Much better than IU. I think Duke win 9 games last year. They would handle Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois and Purdue.yes duke beat Clemson last night. BVut put them where we are in the Big Ten East, and let them play those 6 Division Teams every year, and 3 additional Big Ten games afainst the likes of Wisconsin and Iowa, and let's see how well they do.
Notice they won. Main reason for students to stick around. How many straight loses to OSU?Duke does not use basketball as an excuse to not
win at football. So called basketball schools can
be really good at both with the proper support
and backing. Noticed the Duke students stuck
around for the whole game.
Did all their students leave at halftime?Why are they able to be good at both football and basketball?
(They are on the verge of upsetting Clemson as I type)
Men's soccer. People give NIL because they think we are still a basketball school.So should we be considered only a soccer school then?
I thought the score was 10-3 at the half? Maybe if the fans stuck around after the half and cheered maybe some good might happen.Notice they won. Main reason for students to stick around. How many straight loses to OSU?
You can make all the excuses you want. The students suck. They don't go sit in the balcony at basketball games either. They were just picked as the No. 2 worst student section in College football.Notice they won. Main reason for students to stick around. How many straight loses to OSU?
For a school with an undergraduate enrollment of roughly 35,000, I think our student support is very underwhelming. Granted, the program hasn’t been good for quite a long time, but it’s an inexpensive and fun way to spend six or seven Fall Saturdays supporting your school. Similarly, the basketball support isn’t what it was when I was in school, but that program has struggled, too. Pity, especially when you see kids at other schools so enthusiastically behind their teams.You can make all the excuses you want. The students suck. They don't go sit in the balcony at basketball games either. They were just picked as the No. 2 worst student section in College football.
You have to give them a reason to want to be there.You can make all the excuses you want. The students suck. They don't go sit in the balcony at basketball games either. They were just picked as the No. 2 worst student section in College football.
The football program was good in 2019 and 2020.For a school with an undergraduate enrollment of roughly 35,000, I think out student support is very underwhelming. Granted, the program hasn’t been good for quite a long time, but it’s an inexpensive and fun way to spend six or seven Fall Saturdays supporting your school. Similarly, the basketball support isn’t what it was when I was in school, but that program has struggled, too. Pity, especially when you see kids at other schools so enthusiastically behind their teams.
The students weren't allowed to attend in 2020.The football program was good in 2019 and 2020.
The game experience needs to be better but that is again an excuse.You have to give them a reason to want to be there.
Call it what you want, everyone weighs the reasons they do something. The reason that people don't go is because they aren't given a reason to. You yourself say the game experience needs to be better. So they have a team that almost always loses. A bad atmosphere. They have a host of other options available to them on a nice Saturday. College sports are entertainment, much like a movie or any other form of entertainment, the engagement has to be earned.The game experience needs to be better but that is again an excuse.
And in 2021 (when we were all permitted back in), they showed up early, only to be disappointed again. But win or lose, most show up late and leave at the half, and they show up on numbers that are relatively small.It’s lukewarm support, at best.The football program was good in 2019 and 2020.
Why go then and leave at halftime it's 10-3. 50,500. Why buy a ticket? The Athletic Dept. is a train wreck. We hired internally so all the people in the athletic department could not have any expectations for improvement. We gave the basketball coach a million dollar a year raise for winning one NCAA tournament game. The only good thing I saw was sending the Women's basketball team on a great trip to Greece.Call it what you want, everyone weighs the reasons they do something. The reason that people don't go is because they aren't given a reason to. You yourself say the game experience needs to be better. So they have a team that almost always loses. A bad atmosphere. They have a host of other options available to them on a nice Saturday. College sports are entertainment, much like a movie or any other form of entertainment, the engagement has to be earned.
The program is lucky it gets the support it does.
Winning is the obligation of the program, and they’ve not held up their end of the bargain. But supporting the program is the obligation of the students, and they haven’t done their part, either. They aren’t buying groceries at Kroger or food at a restaurant. They’re students at IU and that alone should be enough for them to care about and support the program. Too many of them simply don’t, and it’s been the culture for years (and is quickly becoming the student culture in basketball, too). Sucks, in my opinion, especially when you see students at other schools embrace their programs and the experiences you get as a student fan in the stands.Call it what you want, everyone weighs the reasons they do something. The reason that people don't go is because they aren't given a reason to. You yourself say the game experience needs to be better. So they have a team that almost always loses. A bad atmosphere. They have a host of other options available to them on a nice Saturday. College sports are entertainment, much like a movie or any other form of entertainment, the engagement has to be earned.
The program is lucky it gets the support it does.
It really is about the culture. Students at some school just don’t give a F about sports. The spiral started years ago when bball fell apart. I’m not sure even winning will fix the apathy of the IU student base. They like to drink, smoke the J, play on their gadgets…..sports are secondary to many. Apparently this is not the case at certain other schools.Winning is the obligation of the program, and they’ve not held up their end of the bargain. Bit supporting the program is the obligation f the students, and they haven’t done their part, either. They aren’t buying groceries at Kroger or food at a restaurant. They’re students at IU and that alone should be enough for them to care about and support the program. Too many of them simply don’t, and it’s been the culture for years (and is quickly becoming the student culture in basketball, too). Suck, in my opinion, especially when you see students at other schools embrace their programs and the experiences you get as a student fan in the stands.
We haven't been much to particularly celebrate in either of those sports for quite some time. When you combine that with the push from the University to get more out of state students in Bloomington and save the regional campuses for the in state kids, you don't have as much of the built in fan base. Additionally, w.r.t. basketball, we give out too many students tickets. Other schools have restricted that quite a bit more than we have. So you have students fighting over a smaller pool of tickets which generally leads to the more invested being at the games.Winning is the obligation of the program, and they’ve not held up their end of the bargain. But supporting the program is the obligation of the students, and they haven’t done their part, either. They aren’t buying groceries at Kroger or food at a restaurant. They’re students at IU and that alone should be enough for them to care about and support the program. Too many of them simply don’t, and it’s been the culture for years (and is quickly becoming the student culture in basketball, too). Sucks, in my opinion, especially when you see students at other schools embrace their programs and the experiences you get as a student fan in the stands.
In football, we’ve cultivated a culture that expects and accepts losing. It’s why some fans would go berserk if the no pass out policy ended, since they really couldn’t care less about the program or winning football. Its such a strange mindset.It really is about the culture. Students at some school just don’t give a F about sports. The spiral started years ago when bball fell apart. I’m not sure even winning will fix the apathy of the IU student base. They like to drink, smoke the J, play on their gadgets…..sports are secondary to many. Apparently this is not the case at certain other schools.
Agree somewhat, though we used our balcony seats in the student package whenever we had them. AH is a special place, but it was designed with a number of poor seats, as everyone knows. But the student allotment needs to shrink, as I’ve been saying for years.We haven't been much to particularly celebrate in either of those sports for quite some time. When you combine that with the push from the University to get more out of state students in Bloomington and save the regional campuses for the in state kids, you don't have as much of the built in fan base. Additionally, w.r.t. basketball, we give out too many students tickets. Other schools have restricted that quite a bit more than we have. So you have students fighting over a smaller pool of tickets which generally leads to the more invested being at the games.
In basketball, make the balcony seats general admission and remove them from the student package. Make a true student section. In football, you have to win. I am 45. How many winning seasons have we had in my lifetime? If the fan support/team winning equation is similar to a marriage, the fans have been in a marriage where the husband only shows up to drop off a Hershey bar and a homemade card every other anniversary while expecting the wife (fans) are going to be Donna Reed. That isn't how the real world works.
Again, because we don't have a true student section in basketball. Those sections at other schools have the same core group of students in the same place for every home game. At Indiana you end up in just about every corner of the building over the course of a season. It is hard to organize anything when you are behind the basket one game, in a main corner the next, in the balcony on opposite sides the next two games, etc. Give those kids less tickets but have them have an actual section and I bet that changes a bit.I can say without a doubt that the university contributes to some of this student participation.
At other Big Ten programs, the have organized student sections complete with cheer practice. They are all on the same page. They coordinate shit and they have established traditions and activities that happen. always, at key points in a game (think Jump Around at Wisconsin).
Our student section and administrators couldn’t coordinate a Chinese fire drill if their life depended on it.
Basketball too. Other schools have their entire student section in the same shirts and gear. We had one guy in a gorilla outfit. That was it.
It is hands down one of the worst run student sections in the nation for both sports.
Alvarez was a once in a university’s lifetime hire. Mallory was as close as we will ever get.Again, because we don't have a true student section in basketball. Those sections at other schools have the same core group of students in the same place for every home game. At Indiana you end up in just about every corner of the building over the course of a season. It is hard to organize anything when you are behind the basket one game, in a main corner the next, in the balcony on opposite sides the next two games, etc. Give those kids less tickets but have them have an actual section and I bet that changes a bit.
As far as football goes. We suck. We have always sucked. Getting your pants beat off every year for decades with very little hope of change appearing on the horizon tends to cut back on the time anyone would want to put into that. Jump Around at Wisconsin didn't pop up when they were sucking ass. It came about after they had started to actually win games. Going and watching your team lose isn't fun.
It isn't fun to go. That's the problem. I was a student at the end of Cameron and beginning of Dinardo. Randle El was good his last year and the football was a little more exciting but we couldn't do anything with him when it came to getting to that bowl. Then after that minor uptick we fell off the planet again. That is the issue. If Randle El would have been followed up with a few 6-5 (think it was 11 games then) type of teams then you start building something.Agree somewhat, though we used our balcony seats in the student package whenever we had them. AH is a special place, but it was designed with a number of poor seats, as everyone knows. But the student allotment needs to shrink, as I’ve been saying for years.
In football, we need to win, but both spouses have failed, not just one. Student support isn’t good, and excusing it as simply a matter of not winning enough is a cop out. It’s their school, it’s easy to go, it’s cheap to go, it’s fun to go. Those attributes alone make it worthy of student support.
So should we be considered only a soccer school then?
Kids at other schools move around, too. They aren’t in the same seats for every game.Again, because we don't have a true student section in basketball. Those sections at other schools have the same core group of students in the same place for every home game. At Indiana you end up in just about every corner of the building over the course of a season. It is hard to organize anything when you are behind the basket one game, in a main corner the next, in the balcony on opposite sides the next two games, etc. Give those kids less tickets but have them have an actual section and I bet that changes a bit.
As far as football goes. We suck. We have always sucked. Getting your pants beat off every year for decades with very little hope of change appearing on the horizon tends to cut back on the time anyone would want to put into that. Jump Around at Wisconsin didn't pop up when they were sucking ass. It came about after they had started to actually win games. Going and watching your team lose isn't fun.
Anyone can support a winner but it takes people with a special tie to a school to support a program that hasn’t performed well. When you don’t go and don’t care, you don’t demand that the standard be improved. For the most casual fans like you, none of this matters. Winning is your one and only prerequisite to offering your support. For those of us who’ve been supporters for decades, we actually care (and caring is the first step to improving).It isn't fun to go. That's the problem. I was a student at the end of Cameron and beginning of Dinardo. Randle El was good his last year and the football was a little more exciting but we couldn't do anything with him when it came to getting to that bowl. Then after that minor uptick we fell off the planet again. That is the issue. If Randle El would have been followed up with a few 6-5 (think it was 11 games then) type of teams then you start building something.
That Ohio State game wasn't fun. We had one FG and a takeaway to cheer for the entire game. I heard the band was pretty meh. What was fun about Saturday that they couldn't have gotten out in the parking lot or at home with some friends?