wait until the new coaching hammer drops
given the history it's difficult to be optimistic
i am glad this era is finally over
given the history it's difficult to be optimistic
i am glad this era is finally over
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Missed 7 of the last 9 NCAA Tournaments, it's hard to imagine it getting much worse.
Don't screw the pooch, Dolson. We need a homerun hire...
Don't screw the pooch, Dolson. We need a homerun hire...
Brownell would be a very disappointing and questionable hire
You have to be optimistic that Dolson strikes gold again. Every positive vibe directed towards Dolson is needed.
i'm not sure.......if it was up to scott
we would have had this disussion last yr
and not be sitting out again
Give Brownell a chance Idon't want McCollum but if he is hired he can prove me wrong.
I hope and believe Buckner is not involved in this decision.
Be patient grasshopper. Let's wait and see what the next few days have in store for us.
We know what Brownell has done no reason to think he’ll be substantially different at IU
At the end of the selection show Clark Kellogg picked Clemson to make his Final Four and that would be the only silver lining if we hire him and that happens.
Nah… today … this is our darkest day. I’ve got my optimism at all time high because we’re actually going to hire a real college basketball coach.
WTF is it with Brownell support here? The guy has a 62% winning percentage, just finished season 18 as a head coach with the last 15 at Clemson and he has never coached a conference champion, only twice have his teams finished with single digit losses and has only coached 5 NCAA Tournament teams counting this one. He is the coaching equivalent of "meh" even for a mid-pack program with realistic expectations and aspirations. Even if this Clemson team makes a run, what about the preceeding 17 years? I'm afraid that dog won't hunt.
He's Woodson if Woodson had a long leash.
Brownell may not even be a candidate. He certainly wouldn't be if I was AD.
Stevens
Marshall
May
Beard
T.Bennett
R. Bennett
J. Wright
McDermott
McCasland
TJ Otzelberger
DeVries
McCollum
Drew
Dutcher
Huss
Collins....
I have a long list that doesn't include Brad Brownell and his 2 or 3 decent seasons.
Hey id be fine with that! Hes nuts but obviously can coach! Better than some names floating around out there!
This is why we are Indiana - start pumping up a guy because podcasters say something. If BB is the hire we might as well hire Alford. Geez
What about that guy at Houston? He really built up that place. Could he work at IU? JK
He’s pretty old now too bad we didn’t hire him when he was younger.
We need the resident VanPastor here to go on a hunger strike and start up a 24/7 prayer chain. He knows that it’s “go time.”
Prayers needed.
Brownell top recruits were 3 to 4 star 90-100 top players most are 3 stars or worse. I think with NIL and access to high 4 star 5 star talent he could go from a good coach to a really good coach. His offensive efficiency is #34 which is really good by the way Drake is 43 and Indiana was 152. They also shoot more threes then Drake and Indiana ranking #164 Drake #338 and Indiana #292. Defense efficiency Clemson #28 Drake #26 and Indiana #111. To say Brownell is Woodson is stupid the guy can coach.
Look at his results at Clemson over his 15 years there. 8 of 15 seasons with 17 wins or fewer. 2 games over .500 in league play coming into his 15th season. Missed the tourney 9 seasons. His results are very Woodson-like.
I must be a bit of a 'true fan' because no matter who we hire, I'll stay a fan.
Real glad Coach Woodson is leaving though. I loved him as a kid as a player, and had hoped his hire would work. But... 'Glory days. Well they'll pass you by!'
Hire somebody who can win the B1G tournament... To me that's as shameful a mark as any, because some committee doesn't determine your entry or seed. We are so poor as a program.
Time to right the ship!
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Real glad Coach Woodson is leaving though. I loved him as a kid as a player, and had hoped his hire would work. But... 'Glory days. Well they'll pass you by!'
Hire somebody who can win the B1G tournament... To me that's as shameful a mark as any, because some committee doesn't determine your entry or seed. We are so poor as a program.
Time to right the ship!
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Maybe, but again, I don't think you're factoring how hard it is to win in bball at Clemson. Relatively speaking, it's a small school, in the middle of nowhere, contending with Duke, UNC, etc... in the ACC, that only cares about football... and secondarily about baseball. I'm not saying a great coach couldn't have gone there and done better, but they have as little resources and support for bball as can be had at the P5 level. If I had to pick a B10 equivalent, I'd say MN, with 40% of the enrollment. And, I guarantee you MN spends a greater % of their athletic budget on bball than does Clemson.
Getting IU level results at Clemson is pretty good. Exceeding them is really good, and that's what he's done. What he could do with IU resources is likely exponentially better. I'm not saying I want Brownell, I'm just saying he's way, WAY better than CMW.
I'm so tired of hearing about IU's resource advantage. Kent Sterling always talks about IU resources as if they're the best in the business. It's been said IU coffers have some of the highest available NIL money. I don't want to see a mediocre coach with IU's resources. I want a proven, great coach with access to IU's resources. This is the only way we can ever hope to return to Knight-like respect in college basketball.
Sterling also has said we need to be more like the Purdue model. Well, they apparently don't have or need the exorbitant NIL enticements, yet are still highly rated year in and year out. Despite not having to dangle the crispy cash carrot annually with NIL enticements, they have the luxury of red-shirting for player development. Four current players have red-shirted in the past with Benter coming off his red-shirt year this Fall. What other school develops players like that and keeps the majority of them five years? Money doesn't buy success, coaches do, so spend money buying a great coach rather than hoping a mediocre coach can do well with IU's nebulous advantage of resources.
The ONLY avenue I'm allowing my brain to entertain this thought...is what changed for Brownell and Clemson, that allowed them to become what they've become in the last 2-3 years? Portal and NIL comes to mind immediately. That has helped level the playing field a little bit. So maybe at IU, where he won't really ever take a back seat "resources" wise...maybe he'd continue to ascend off of his last couple Clemson teams?
But man, its really difficult to look past his first 12 years at Clemson. You say they have little support, but I'm not sure that's true. Maybe when compared with UNC and Duke...but there's still a lot of ACC oxygen for success after those programs. Little John Coliseum is one of the better environments in the country, they have a decent little fan base. And just being in the ACC had to have gotten him in more living rooms than he would have in most other conferences.
I just worry about hiring someone that was painfully mediocre for over a decade, that needed rules changes to help him out.
Something that hasn't been discussed with available coaches is what current underclassmen on their team might be enticed to join their coach at the new school. What would IU's football team have been without Cignetti's 12 players thinking highly enough of him to transfer along with him? Does a potential IU coach have senior dominated teams out of eligibility? Everyone expects a Cignetti-like turnaround, but without the continuity in coaching that potential comes with it, our next season or two could be a big disappointment. In this day and age of immediate portal transfers, coaches and his eligible players must be a consideration.
I've floated this a few times...its usually met with "we shouldn't hire someone based on players they'd bring"... And while I do agree with that, it shouldn't be discounted as a factor.
McCollum would probably bring Stirtz, Banks, Manyawu, and Howard...all main rotation players. He'd need some B10 level guys to fill in with them, obviously. But having a B10 player of the year candidate in Stirtz, would be a decent start.
McCasland could bring a haul with him. Christian Anderson is one of the better freshman PG in the country. Overton, Darrion Williams, JT Toppin if he doesn't go to the NBA...if even a couple of those guys would follow him, he'd have a huge head start at building a contending roster.
Beard would potentially only have Malik Dia. He's a good big, but not the haul the first two guys could bring. Beard has proven very capable of reshaping talented rosters thought...so I wouldn't worry about this much at all with Beard.
Brownell would have some main rotation level guys, but none of his stars. Wiggins would be the closest, and he's a good, versatile player with length and size. Hunter, Heidbreder, Jones...they're all guys you'll see play some minutes if you watch them this week. Though Hunter might be out with a hand injury?
McDermott wouldn't have a ton. His main couple guys are seniors. A couple guys though.
Dusty May...he'd actually potentially have a decent haul... Danny Wolf has a year left, Tre Donaldson has a year left, Gayle has a year left, Tshetter has a year left, Justin Pippen is a talented younger kid...
This is a secondary reason why I think McCasland would be the best choice. Anderson, Overton, Toppin, and Williams would be a B10 Title contending starting lineup. Having success in year one would be helpful, in so many ways, obviously. So again, while it shouldn't be THE deciding factor...it sure wouldn't hurt.
Thank you for the in-depth research with it's time taken to produce this analysis. Of course, there is no guarantee eligible players will follow their coach. Some of these schools may consider IU more of a lateral move than say, JMU. Cignetti has spoiled us already into thinking lightning easily strikes twice in the same place.
For sure. And basketball is a different sport than football. Very possible not ALL the TT studs would want to continue playing together. And obviously with any of the players mentioned, they might like their current schools and situations enough to stay.
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