Will It Ever Be Our Turn?

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I think back to some of the opponents we played in our bowl games and at other times and see the vast improvement in these programs:

1. Baylor - shut them out in the Copper Bowl under Grant Teaff. Now they are an elite.
2. South Carolina - got good coaching in Holtz and now Spurrier. Now, regularly in top 25. Beat them in the Liberty Bowl.
3. Northwestern - I remember a game in 1994 when Dyche Stadium had more IU fans attending than Wildcat fans. I was there and we destroyed them.
4. TCU - now in the top 5 of the country. Then? Anthony Thompson ran all over them at their place.
5. Cincinnati - beat them at home and on the road. Now? A perennial bowl team with Gunner Kiel at the helm and Auburn's former coach.
6. Oregon - even Dinardo managed to pull one off against the Ducks and they now have been in 2 national title games.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong for IU? Did we just not give the commitment during the Mallory bowl run? Was it just a string of bad coaching hires?

Will it ever be IU's turn or do we not have the magical formula like these other schools?

 

[IUAlum91]

I think back to some of the opponents we played in our bowl games and at other times and see the vast improvement in these programs:

1. Baylor - shut them out in the Copper Bowl under Grant Teaff. Now they are an elite.
2. South Carolina - got good coaching in Holtz and now Spurrier. Now, regularly in top 25. Beat them in the Liberty Bowl.
3. Northwestern - I remember a game in 1994 when Dyche Stadium had more IU fans attending than Wildcat fans. I was there and we destroyed them.
4. TCU - now in the top 5 of the country. Then? Anthony Thompson ran all over them at their place.
5. Cincinnati - beat them at home and on the road. Now? A perennial bowl team with Gunner Kiel at the helm and Auburn's former coach.
6. Oregon - even Dinardo managed to pull one off against the Ducks and they now have been in 2 national title games.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong for IU? Did we just not give the commitment during the Mallory bowl run? Was it just a string of bad coaching hires?

Will it ever be IU's turn or do we not have the magical formula like these other schools?

 

[IUAlum91]

I think back to some of the opponents we played in our bowl games and at other times and see the vast improvement in these programs:

1. Baylor - shut them out in the Copper Bowl under Grant Teaff. Now they are an elite.
2. South Carolina - got good coaching in Holtz and now Spurrier. Now, regularly in top 25. Beat them in the Liberty Bowl.
3. Northwestern - I remember a game in 1994 when Dyche Stadium had more IU fans attending than Wildcat fans. I was there and we destroyed them.
4. TCU - now in the top 5 of the country. Then? Anthony Thompson ran all over them at their place.
5. Cincinnati - beat them at home and on the road. Now? A perennial bowl team with Gunner Kiel at the helm and Auburn's former coach.
6. Oregon - even Dinardo managed to pull one off against the Ducks and they now have been in 2 national title games.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong for IU? Did we just not give the commitment during the Mallory bowl run? Was it just a string of bad coaching hires?

Will it ever be IU's turn or do we not have the magical formula like these other schools?

Maybe, because of all those things! If you lose to IU then something drastic HAS to happen because after all if you are losing to the worse team in Div. 1 history something is very wrong and needs to be fixed!!!

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Maybe, because of all those things! If you lose to IU then something drastic HAS to happen because after all if you are losing to the worse team in Div. 1 history something is very wrong and needs to be fixed!!!

Maybe.....but IU wasn't the "losingest" program of all time when we were winning those games. In other words, we were respected somewhat and going to the post season.

I tend to think we didn't capitalize when we were having some modicum of success.

 

[Cougar1]

Your fired..........

 

[Gfreaks]

You forgot Virginia Tech. I believe the 93' Independence Bowl was Beamer's first bowl game.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Your fired..........

LOL....actually, YOU'RE fired for poor grammar!

 

[1115NorthJordan]

No, it will never be our turn

 

[JohnsyRick]

I think back to some of the opponents we played in our bowl games and at other times and see the vast improvement in these programs:

1. Baylor - shut them out in the Copper Bowl under Grant Teaff. Now they are an elite.
2. South Carolina - got good coaching in Holtz and now Spurrier. Now, regularly in top 25. Beat them in the Liberty Bowl.
3. Northwestern - I remember a game in 1994 when Dyche Stadium had more IU fans attending than Wildcat fans. I was there and we destroyed them.
4. TCU - now in the top 5 of the country. Then? Anthony Thompson ran all over them at their place.
5. Cincinnati - beat them at home and on the road. Now? A perennial bowl team with Gunner Kiel at the helm and Auburn's former coach.
6. Oregon - even Dinardo managed to pull one off against the Ducks and they now have been in 2 national title games.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong for IU? Did we just not give the commitment during the Mallory bowl run? Was it just a string of bad coaching hires?

Will it ever be IU's turn or do we not have the magical formula like these other schools?

#4 is inaccurate, AT never played TCU, he did , however, play at Rice.

 

[IU Scott]

I think back to some of the opponents we played in our bowl games and at other times and see the vast improvement in these programs:

1. Baylor - shut them out in the Copper Bowl under Grant Teaff. Now they are an elite.
2. South Carolina - got good coaching in Holtz and now Spurrier. Now, regularly in top 25. Beat them in the Liberty Bowl.
3. Northwestern - I remember a game in 1994 when Dyche Stadium had more IU fans attending than Wildcat fans. I was there and we destroyed them.
4. TCU - now in the top 5 of the country. Then? Anthony Thompson ran all over them at their place.
5. Cincinnati - beat them at home and on the road. Now? A perennial bowl team with Gunner Kiel at the helm and Auburn's former coach.
6. Oregon - even Dinardo managed to pull one off against the Ducks and they now have been in 2 national title games.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong for IU? Did we just not give the commitment during the Mallory bowl run? Was it just a string of bad coaching hires?

Will it ever be IU's turn or do we not have the magical formula like these other schools?

It always seems like something goes wrong with this program because it seems like when we have the play makers on offense like last year we don't have the quarterback or we have the quarterback and the rest of the team is young. it seems like it never comes together where we have both at the same time. Also it seems like we never can get enough good defensive players to have a good defense. I just don't think I will ever see IU football be a consistent bowl team year after year.

 

[crossfire74]

I think back to some of the opponents we played in our bowl games and at other times and see the vast improvement in these programs:

1. Baylor - shut them out in the Copper Bowl under Grant Teaff. Now they are an elite.
2. South Carolina - got good coaching in Holtz and now Spurrier. Now, regularly in top 25. Beat them in the Liberty Bowl.
3. Northwestern - I remember a game in 1994 when Dyche Stadium had more IU fans attending than Wildcat fans. I was there and we destroyed them.
4. TCU - now in the top 5 of the country. Then? Anthony Thompson ran all over them at their place.
5. Cincinnati - beat them at home and on the road. Now? A perennial bowl team with Gunner Kiel at the helm and Auburn's former coach.
6. Oregon - even Dinardo managed to pull one off against the Ducks and they now have been in 2 national title games.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong for IU? Did we just not give the commitment during the Mallory bowl run? Was it just a string of bad coaching hires?

Will it ever be IU's turn or do we not have the magical formula like these other schools?

We are the Cubs of college football. There's always hope but until you get the right mix of administration and coach, then it's just a mish-mash of mostly downs. Sadly, the current mix isn't our answer. We could have the right coach (jury is still out), but we most certainly don't have the right administration. One day I hope we get that right mix but it's just not here no matter how much we all hope/wish it was.

 

[hoosierfan35]

And the Cubs may make the playoffs so this is our year...

 

[RBB89]

We are the Cubs of college football. There's always hope but until you get the right mix of administration and coach, then it's just a mish-mash of mostly downs. Sadly, the current mix isn't our answer. We could have the right coach (jury is still out), but we most certainly don't have the right administration. One day I hope we get that right mix but it's just not here no matter how much we all hope/wish it was.

Ok, so if we have the right coach, how is the admin holding us back? They continue to invest in facilities.

 

[RBB89]

I think back to some of the opponents we played in our bowl games and at other times and see the vast improvement in these programs:

1. Baylor - shut them out in the Copper Bowl under Grant Teaff. Now they are an elite.
2. South Carolina - got good coaching in Holtz and now Spurrier. Now, regularly in top 25. Beat them in the Liberty Bowl.
3. Northwestern - I remember a game in 1994 when Dyche Stadium had more IU fans attending than Wildcat fans. I was there and we destroyed them.
4. TCU - now in the top 5 of the country. Then? Anthony Thompson ran all over them at their place.
5. Cincinnati - beat them at home and on the road. Now? A perennial bowl team with Gunner Kiel at the helm and Auburn's former coach.
6. Oregon - even Dinardo managed to pull one off against the Ducks and they now have been in 2 national title games.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong for IU? Did we just not give the commitment during the Mallory bowl run? Was it just a string of bad coaching hires?

Will it ever be IU's turn or do we not have the magical formula like these other schools?

It's week 2. We're 1-0. Can we stop the drama?

 

[GeddyHoosier]

You forgot Virginia Tech. I believe the 93' Independence Bowl was Beamer's first bowl game.

Yup and that was the beginning of the end for Mallory.

 

[Rangeline Fan]

Oklahoma State since the Insight Bowl?

Heck, look at what USC has done since we played them in the Rose Bow! Getting fat off IU while IU flounders....and all because USC was lucky enough to face IU.

 

[Orbit7958]

I think back to some of the opponents we played in our bowl games and at other times and see the vast improvement in these programs:

1. Baylor - shut them out in the Copper Bowl under Grant Teaff. Now they are an elite.
2. South Carolina - got good coaching in Holtz and now Spurrier. Now, regularly in top 25. Beat them in the Liberty Bowl.
3. Northwestern - I remember a game in 1994 when Dyche Stadium had more IU fans attending than Wildcat fans. I was there and we destroyed them.
4. TCU - now in the top 5 of the country. Then? Anthony Thompson ran all over them at their place.
5. Cincinnati - beat them at home and on the road. Now? A perennial bowl team with Gunner Kiel at the helm and Auburn's former coach.
6. Oregon - even Dinardo managed to pull one off against the Ducks and they now have been in 2 national title games.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong for IU? Did we just not give the commitment during the Mallory bowl run? Was it just a string of bad coaching hires?

Will it ever be IU's turn or do we not have the magical formula like these other schools?

No

 

[goody1986]

We are the Cubs of college football. There's always hope but until you get the right mix of administration and coach, then it's just a mish-mash of mostly downs. Sadly, the current mix isn't our answer. We could have the right coach (jury is still out), but we most certainly don't have the right administration. One day I hope we get that right mix but it's just not here no matter how much we all hope/wish it was.

What does it mean, exactly, when people say that it's the administration's fault? What exactly has the current administration done to hold IU football back? Seems to me that Glass has supported football more aggressively than perhaps any AD at IU ever, and McRobbie largely stays out of the way of athletics. Enlighten, please.

 

[welshman#]

IMO it's fair to say that both Ralph Floyd and Bill Orwig were as supportive of IU FB as Glass is--but neither had as much $$ to spend on it as FG does

 

[SRIV94]

#4 is inaccurate, AT never played TCU, he did , however, play at Rice.

#3 also is inaccurate, at least as far as the year goes. 1994 NW (who would finish 3-8) beat us in Bloomington, and it cost us a bowl game (we were eligible at 6-5, but no one wanted us--7-4 would've made us way more attractive).

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

#3 also is inaccurate, at least as far as the year goes. 1994 NW (who would finish 3-8) beat us in Bloomington, and it cost us a bowl game (we were eligible at 6-5, but no one wanted us--7-4 would've made us way more attractive).

You're right. It was 1993 in Evanston.

 

[BillySparks]

To everything turn, turn turn, turn

 

[welshman#]

will it ever be IU's turn? possibly, but not likely as long as it's paying its FB coach less than half of what it's paying its under-achieving basketball coach

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

will it ever be IU's turn? possibly, but not likely as long as it's paying its FB coach less than half of what it's paying its under-achieving basketball coach

Well, there are those that will tell you that we are a "basketball school."

Try to say that with a straight face.

Guess they haven't noticed that football schools like Wisconsin or Michigan State regularly make mincemeat out of us in basketball.

Honestly, the bball program has become a parody of itself. A lot of people have grown tired of 6th place finishes and lack of discipline.

 

[Cougar1]

Can't disagree about this opinion........but, Indiana is a basketball school. Doesn't mean theyve won the last two championships or have signed the most 6 star stud muffins. GO IU

 

[TheSpa]

What does it mean, exactly, when people say that it's the administration's fault? What exactly has the current administration done to hold IU football back? Seems to me that Glass has supported football more aggressively than perhaps any AD at IU ever, and McRobbie largely stays out of the way of athletics. Enlighten, please.

"It's the Administration's fault" has always been a cop out. Fans, friends and alums of IU have never demanded a top flight football program in any meaningful way, and they've gotten exactly what they sought. Had there been some uprising from fans demanding change "or else", things likely would have been different. The demand has never been made, however, and things don't really change. People are more concerned with tailgating and half time runs to the car or RV. Take those things away and people will be furious. But bad football? People have accepted that for decades.

 

[Orbit7958]

"It's the Administration's fault" has always been a cop out. Fans, friends and alums of IU have never demanded a top flight football program in any meaningful way, and they've gotten exactly what they sought. Had there been some uprising from fans demanding change "or else", things likely would have been different. The demand has never been made, however, and things don't really change. People are more concerned with tailgating and half time runs to the car or RV. Take those things away and people will be furious. But bad football? People have accepted that for decades.

are you organizing a march?

I got my torch and pitchfork ready. tie-dyed shirt and bell-bottoms, too.

just say when

 

[TheSpa]

are you organizing a march?

I got my torch and pitchfork ready. tie-dyed shirt and bell-bottoms, too.

just say when

Nope. Just lighting the straw man that is "It's the administration's fault" on fire. It's not a legitimate argument.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Can't disagree about this opinion........but, Indiana is a basketball school. Doesn't mean theyve won the last two championships or have signed the most 6 star stud muffins. GO IU

Again, say that with a straight face to any other nationally relevant program or fanbase including Duke, Michigan State, Wisconsin, North Carolina, UK....all significantly better than IU over the past quarter century.

We are a "basketball school" in our own twisted minds, running on fumes from 29 years ago.

 

[Cougar1]

Are you deaf?

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Are you deaf?

No, just blind to your drivel.

 

[Cougar1]

No, just blind to your drivel.

Stupid is tough to live with, isn't it ??? LOL

 

[IU Scott]

Well, there are those that will tell you that we are a "basketball school."

Try to say that with a straight face.

Guess they haven't noticed that football schools like Wisconsin or Michigan State regularly make mincemeat out of us in basketball.

Honestly, the bball program has become a parody of itself. A lot of people have grown tired of 6th place finishes and lack of discipline.

We will always be a basketball school and when they talk about IU on national tv it is not about football.

 

[RedHeart]

You're right. It was 1993 in Evanston.

I was at that game dodging marshmallows. Hurvin McCormack, Bernard Whittington and the rest of our defense was tremendous. Those were the days.

GO HOOSIERS!!!!

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

We will always be a basketball school and when they talk about IU on national tv it is not about football.

We are not relevant in basketball anymore, unless you consider 5th place finishes relevant. Ever find it amusing that the "football schools" like Wisconsin or Michigan State REGULARLY clean our clocks in basketball?
I guess if our fans scream loud enough that we are a basketball school, maybe somebody will listen, however this program is fading fast.

 

[TheSpa]

We are not relevant in basketball anymore, unless you consider 5th place finishes relevant. Ever find it amusing that the "football schools" like Wisconsin or Michigan State REGULARLY clean our clocks in basketball?
I guess if our fans scream loud enough that we are a basketball school, maybe somebody will listen, however this program is fading fast.

IU isn't relavent nationally in hoops from a competitive standpoint, but it's what the fan base continues to support. Football support, on the other hand, is embarrassingly low.

 

[IU Scott]

We are not relevant in basketball anymore, unless you consider 5th place finishes relevant. Ever find it amusing that the "football schools" like Wisconsin or Michigan State REGULARLY clean our clocks in basketball?
I guess if our fans scream loud enough that we are a basketball school, maybe somebody will listen, however this program is fading fast.

I take a 5th place finish any day over finishing 13th or 14th every year. I have watched IU sports for over 40 years and have seen every year that this will be the year that IU football will turn it around. Then every year after about 4 games realize that this is the same IU football program I have watched over the last 40 years. If we are a footballs school then why is the stadium 4/5 empty after halftime every game and AH is full every game even for Hoosier Hysteria. I think Wilson has upgraded the talent level and our players actually look like Div 1 football players but it does not seem like it will equate to many wins.

 

[FL33]

I think back to some of the opponents we played in our bowl games and at other times and see the vast improvement in these programs:

1. Baylor - shut them out in the Copper Bowl under Grant Teaff. Now they are an elite.
2. South Carolina - got good coaching in Holtz and now Spurrier. Now, regularly in top 25. Beat them in the Liberty Bowl.
3. Northwestern - I remember a game in 1994 when Dyche Stadium had more IU fans attending than Wildcat fans. I was there and we destroyed them.
4. TCU - now in the top 5 of the country. Then? Anthony Thompson ran all over them at their place.
5. Cincinnati - beat them at home and on the road. Now? A perennial bowl team with Gunner Kiel at the helm and Auburn's former coach.
6. Oregon - even Dinardo managed to pull one off against the Ducks and they now have been in 2 national title games.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong for IU? Did we just not give the commitment during the Mallory bowl run? Was it just a string of bad coaching hires?

Will it ever be IU's turn or do we not have the magical formula like these other schools?

Coaching is the answer to all of them, but that doesn't mean IU is analogous to all of them.

1, 2, and 4 are located in talent rich areas, in major conferences, and have traditional football support. Their natural ceiling is higher than IU's.

6 is pretty unique with their support from the largest apparel brand in athletics.

3 and 5 are pretty solid comparisons. Basically, they have good administrations who have spotted and hired coaching talent that can compete amongst their peers week have more structural advantages. NW has had Barnett, Walker, and Fitzgerald. For a couple reasons, Cincy's run is more impressive with the hirings of Dantonio, Kelly, Jones, and Tuberville.

It's a simple concept, yet tough to master (and understand for many of our fans).

 

[turney333]

Coaching is the answer to all of them, but that doesn't mean IU is analogous to all of them.

1, 2, and 4 are located in talent rich areas, in major conferences, and have traditional football support. Their natural ceiling is higher than IU's.

6 is pretty unique with their support from the largest apparel brand in athletics.

3 and 5 are pretty solid comparisons. Basically, they have good administrations who have spotted and hired coaching talent that can compete amongst their peers week have more structural advantages. NW has had Barnett, Walker, and Fitzgerald. For a couple reasons, Cincy's run is more impressive with the hirings of Dantonio, Kelly, Jones, and Tuberville.

It's a simple concept, yet tough to master (and understand for many of our fans).

Cincy has found a niche being a great stepping stone program. Because coaches are leaving behind solid teams, its attractive to quality coaching prospects. Its hard to find good coaches that want to do a major rebuild.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I take a 5th place finish any day over finishing 13th or 14th every year. I have watched IU sports for over 40 years and have seen every year that this will be the year that IU football will turn it around. Then every year after about 4 games realize that this is the same IU football program I have watched over the last 40 years. If we are a footballs school then why is the stadium 4/5 empty after halftime every game and AH is full every game even for Hoosier Hysteria. I think Wilson has upgraded the talent level and our players actually look like Div 1 football players but it does not seem like it will equate to many wins.

Too bad we cannot be good in both....or even 1.
Every year, I think basketball will be good as well. It's a program that has lost all of its luster. Too bad Bo Ryan may delay his retirement, which means more losses for Crean & Co. We know football is bad. Basketball, for all intents and purposes, is close behind.