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Why do you feel this team has regressed?

Wall2Boogie

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you guys started off great beating number 10 Marquette, 15 Louisville, Illinois, penn state, Arkansas, and butler. You guys were ranked and playing well. Call me crazy, but I think with Langford out you may have a shot at beating Michigan state, albeit a long one you still have a shot. In your opinion what has changed that has caused this team to go backwards? On paper you guys have a really good team, since you guys see more than I do of them playing I would like to hear your opinions.
 
you guys started off great beating number 10 Marquette, 15 Louisville, Illinois, penn state, Arkansas, and butler. You guys were ranked and playing well. Call me crazy, but I think with Langford out you may have a shot at beating Michigan state, albeit a long one you still have a shot. In your opinion what has changed that has caused this team to go backwards? On paper you guys have a really good team, since you guys see more than I do of them playing I would like to hear your opinions.
IU lost to Arkansas
 
you guys started off great beating number 10 Marquette, 15 Louisville, Illinois, penn state, Arkansas, and butler. You guys were ranked and playing well. Call me crazy, but I think with Langford out you may have a shot at beating Michigan state, albeit a long one you still have a shot. In your opinion what has changed that has caused this team to go backwards? On paper you guys have a really good team, since you guys see more than I do of them playing I would like to hear your opinions.
1) coaching 2) injuries 3) see #1
 
you guys started off great beating number 10 Marquette, 15 Louisville, Illinois, penn state, Arkansas, and butler. You guys were ranked and playing well. Call me crazy, but I think with Langford out you may have a shot at beating Michigan state, albeit a long one you still have a shot. In your opinion what has changed that has caused this team to go backwards? On paper you guys have a really good team, since you guys see more than I do of them playing I would like to hear your opinions.
Internal issues.

You don't have to watch us much to clearly see that. Even Stevie Wonder can see it from 5 miles away. ;)
 
Injuries, playing against better teams and coaches, our own poor coaching and lack of toughness.



you guys started off great beating number 10 Marquette, 15 Louisville, Illinois, penn state, Arkansas, and butler. You guys were ranked and playing well. Call me crazy, but I think with Langford out you may have a shot at beating Michigan state, albeit a long one you still have a shot. In your opinion what has changed that has caused this team to go backwards? On paper you guys have a really good team, since you guys see more than I do of them playing I would like to hear your opinions.
 
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you guys started off great beating number 10 Marquette, 15 Louisville, Illinois, penn state, Arkansas, and butler. You guys were ranked and playing well. Call me crazy, but I think with Langford out you may have a shot at beating Michigan state, albeit a long one you still have a shot. In your opinion what has changed that has caused this team to go backwards? On paper you guys have a really good team, since you guys see more than I do of them playing I would like to hear your opinions.
Team chemistry, confidence, belief in and trust of the system.

The coach has lost this team.

We have a very dysfunctional team whose whole is less than the sum of the parts. It may be player based it may be the coach. At this point no one really knows which or why and anyone - unless they have access to the locker room and a crystal ball - saying anything to the contrary is FOS.

Accountability ultimately falls on the staff regardless of the reason or fault and it's their job to fix it. If they dont they eventually get fired.

If it is players, they are at fault and need to go. if they are being coddled (and kept after the season) then that is the fault of the coach. If they haven't bought in, that's fault of the player for not following chain of command, and the coach, for playing them.

Whatever it is it's cost him a postseason.

The best way to be a good leader is surround yourself with people who believe in your vision. The worst thing to do is to coddle and trust malcontents. Morons are more dependable.

Malcontents make good things bad and bad things worse. Much like they do to this board. It's all about their feelings.

Remember .. Ryan Harrow? Cal got rid of him - he was a cancer and drama queen - because team chemistry is important.

Or maybe he's just a bad babysitter..
 
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Holy shite! Did TMP just alter from being a complete Archie Apologist?

Man I hate TMP...and he has ben Archie’s biggest defender...but sounds like he is becoming skeptical of Archie coaching/leadership even!
 
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Team chemistry, confidence, belief in and trust of the system.

We have a very dysfunctional team whose whole is less than the sum of the parts. It may be player based it may be the coach. At this point no one really knows which or why and anyone - unless they have access to the locker room - saying anything to the contrary is FOS.

Blame ultimately falls on the staff regardless of the reason and it's their job to fix it. If it is players, they are at fault and need to go, if they are being coddled and kept after the season then that is the fault of the coach. If they haven't bought in, that's fault of the player for not following chain of command, and the coach, for playing them.

The best way to be a good leader is surround yourself with people who believe in your vision. The worst thing to do is to coddle and trust malcontents.

Malcontents make good things bad and bad things worse. Much like they to this board.

Remember .. Ryan Harrow? Cal got rid of him - he was a cancer and drama queen - team chemistry is important.
just so TMP cant edit it
 
Thanks for your honest answers. I agree with harrow tmi, he wasn’t cut out to be the pg at my and struggled big time. I also think Archie feels as though he has to do everything in his power to keep Romeo happy for future studs, but I think that’s a mistake. Romeo is good but his d sucks. You have a stud coming in next yr in tjd, and possibly brooks. I just hope Archie doesn’t sell out to them like he has to make Romeo happy.
 
Thanks for your honest answers. I agree with harrow tmi, he wasn’t cut out to be the pg at my and struggled big time. I also think Archie feels as though he has to do everything in his power to keep Romeo happy for future studs, but I think that’s a mistake. Romeo is good but his d sucks. You have a stud coming in next yr in tjd, and possibly brooks. I just hope Archie doesn’t sell out to them like he has to make Romeo happy.
Player management ie babysitting egos.. is the thing that separates good from great. All the coaches that make it to this level have x and o's. Except Crean who was a complete flake, Some can't recruit and that ends them. The final hurdle is babysitting .. He would do well to talk to older coaches about bottle temperature, when to burp and when a time out in a corner is needed.
 
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Player management ie babysitting egos.. is the thing that separates good from great. All the coaches that make it to this level have x and o's. Except Crean who was a complete flake, Some can't recruit and that ends them. The final hurdle is babysitting .. He would do well to talk to older coaches about bottle temperature, when to burp and when a time out in a corner is needed.
He needs to bring in Ted Kitchel, Coverdale, Buckner, somebody to explain what IU means to the players, kick some ass, and wake them up.
 
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Team chemistry, confidence, belief in and trust of the system.

We have a very dysfunctional team whose whole is less than the sum of the parts. It may be player based it may be the coach. At this point no one really knows which or why and anyone - unless they have access to the locker room and a crystal ball - saying anything to the contrary is FOS.

Accountability ultimately falls on the staff regardless of the reason or fault and it's their job to fix it. If they dont they eventually get fired.

If it is players, they are at fault and need to go, if they are being coddled and kept after the season then that is the fault of the coach. If they haven't bought in, that's fault of the player for not following chain of command, and the coach, for playing them.

The best way to be a good leader is surround yourself with people who believe in your vision. The worst thing to do is to coddle and trust malcontents.

Malcontents make good things bad and bad things worse. Much like they do to this board. It's all about their feelings.

Remember .. Ryan Harrow? Cal got rid of him - he was a cancer and drama queen - team chemistry is important.
Spot on
 

You’ve described the team perfectly with that sound bite.

Creepy board stalker!

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Thanks for your honest answers. I agree with harrow tmi, he wasn’t cut out to be the pg at my and struggled big time. I also think Archie feels as though he has to do everything in his power to keep Romeo happy for future studs, but I think that’s a mistake. Romeo is good but his d sucks. You have a stud coming in next yr in tjd, and possibly brooks. I just hope Archie doesn’t sell out to them like he has to make Romeo happy.
This is spot on. He has sold out to Romeo. Romeo is the teams worst defender and every time he goes out of the game CAM never says anything to him. He is scared to make him mad. I think the rest of the team sees this and is probably frustrated by it. That is pure speculation but it makes sense to me. If he doesn’t change the way he handles big time recruits he won’t ever have success coaching in any big time basketball conference imo.
 
This is spot on. He has sold out to Romeo. Romeo is the teams worst defender and every time he goes out of the game CAM never says anything to him. He is scared to make him mad. I think the rest of the team sees this and is probably frustrated by it. That is pure speculation but it makes sense to me. If he doesn’t change the way he handles big time recruits he won’t ever have success coaching in any big time basketball conference imo.


Worst defender by a significant margin is Morgan, followed by Smith and then Fitzner. Anderson is pretty bad as well, when he plays. Heck, even McRoberts has been poor defensively this year. I’ll definitely say that Romeo does jog around on D way too often.

Bad chemistry? Then why does our worst defender get highest priority on shots? Morgan is supposed to be a “Senior leader” yet continues to mail it in on D. No wonder the young guys are struggling.
 
Worst defender by a significant margin is Morgan, followed by Smith and then Fitzner. Anderson is pretty bad as well, when he plays. Heck, even McRoberts has been poor defensively this year. I’ll definitely say that Romeo does jog around on D way too often.

Bad chemistry? Then why does our worst defender get highest priority on shots? Morgan is supposed to be a “Senior leader” yet continues to mail it in on D. No wonder the young guys are struggling.
Romeo is terrible. Here is why. 1 he jogs around. 2 he’s never in a stance. 3 he constantly jumps at shooters for no reason. 4 he gets caught up on screens because he stands up when the screen comes. 5 he’s never in help side which is essential to the pack line defense. As for Morgan if I was coaching against IU I would target him too. He is 6’8 230. Most guys he’s guarding are at least 6’10 250 so yeah he’s going to get scored on in the post. I was referring to starters so Fitzner and Anderson aren’t worth my time on here. As for Smith I’d still take him over Romeo on most nights defensively he just gets the criticism because nobody wants to criticize Romeo including Archie.
 
Honestly thought Archie was a great hire for IU. I’m an NC State alum and have kept tabs on IU because of Archie. Hope he gets it done for you guys. Try and be patient. I know it’s easier said than done.
 
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Honestly thought Archie was a great hire for IU. I’m an NC State alum and have kept tabs on IU because of Archie. Hope he gets it done for you guys. Try and be patient. I know it’s easier said than done.

It must be nice to have Kevin Keatts.
 
I think the early season success spoiled us as fans and hid the deficiencies. Remember, you are starting two Freshmen, one at point guard. The injury to Phinisee really set things back. Romeo came in with such hype that people thought he had a large S on his undershirt and would lead us to 4 Straight Titles. The weak spots in his game are now magnified. Phinisee and Langford are in the middle of their first college seasons and discovering what a grind it is. Hopefully they will get their second wind and play better down the stretch. We don't have a dependable 3rd Scorer, and get very little from our bench. In order to win several early games, Morgan had to score 35 points. We don't have a true Center or a 2nd power forward to take the pressure off of Morgan underneath. Opponents now have sufficient film on us to develop detailed game plans, and we have been unable to adjust to what they are doing to stop us.
 
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Watching Mogan catching in the post last night.
I watched the other four stand..And watch ..
Not one cutter to the basket..Not one baseline pick so someone can slide to the corner for a three..
Idk..
This team just isn't much into work..
They give effort for like 9 minutes in the first half .Then its over.
 
you guys started off great beating number 10 Marquette, 15 Louisville, Illinois, penn state, Arkansas, and butler. You guys were ranked and playing well. Call me crazy, but I think with Langford out you may have a shot at beating Michigan state, albeit a long one you still have a shot. In your opinion what has changed that has caused this team to go backwards? On paper you guys have a really good team, since you guys see more than I do of them playing I would like to hear your opinions.

Are you trying to be funny again Bobby Joe Boogie? How about you go back to kissing on your wife (aka your 1 cousin Suzy Lynn) and watching Deliverance. I’ll give you a call when I need denture advice.
 
Are you trying to be funny again Bobby Joe Boogie? How about you go back to kissing on your wife (aka your 1 cousin Suzy Lynn) and watching Deliverance. I’ll give you a call when I need denture advice.
You have the wrong cousin. It’s daisy Ann. She’s quite the looker
 
you guys started off great beating number 10 Marquette, 15 Louisville, Illinois, penn state, Arkansas, and butler. You guys were ranked and playing well. Call me crazy, but I think with Langford out you may have a shot at beating Michigan state, albeit a long one you still have a shot. In your opinion what has changed that has caused this team to go backwards? On paper you guys have a really good team, since you guys see more than I do of them playing I would like to hear your opinions.
I'll throw my speculation into the thread. After, my speculation is just as good as everyone else's speculation.

Last night's game against Rutgers made me think (1) whatever is wrong with the offense has something to do with Langford, and (2) our defense isn't horrible, but the helpside players looked out of position and were often not able to either stop dribble-drives down the foul lane or opponents crashing the board from the weakside after missed shots from their teammates (where most missed shots seem to bounce).

When Langford gets the ball on offense, the whole world seems to come to an end. I like his drives to the basket, but last night Rutgers was fairly good at challenging his drives (but he kept trying to drive anyway). I'd like to try an offense where Langford is the point guard at the top of the key looking to feed our best shooters (Phinissee and Durham) on the wings or corners and Morgan and Smith as additional possibilities down low. When Langford has the ball under present circumstances, everybody knows he's going to try to drive down the lane, so the other four guys tend to stand and watch while the defense prepares to counter Langford's inevitable foul lane drive. I'd like to see an offense where the defense has to be aware of where Langford is and pay attention to him but might lose track of the other four. Langford is a good enough passer to do this role.

For me, the defensive play that may say it all was that play where Rutgers rebounded our missed shot and dribbled right past Romeo and scored a layup while he was standing there adjusting his sleeve. Romeo looked to be the only IU player that could have prevented the fast break, but he had a sleeve adjustment emergency that he thought just couldn't wait. And, how many times did we fail to block out a weakside Rutgers player who crashed the boards for a thunder dunk? Letting that happen once is a mistake; failing to block out all those other times is a bad habit.
 
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When Phinisee had to sit out with concussion protocol and Green was inserted into stsrting lineup at PG.
 
I'll throw my speculation into the thread. After, my speculation is just as good as everyone else's speculation.

Last night's game against Rutgers made me think (1) whatever is wrong with the offense has something to do with Langford, and (2) our defense isn't horrible, but the helpside players looked out of position and were often not able to either stop dribble-drives down the foul lane or opponents crashing the board from the weakside after missed shots from their teammates (where most missed shots seem to bounce).

When Langford gets the ball on offense, the whole world seems to come to an end. I like his drives to the basket, but last night Rutgers was fairly good at challenging his drives (but he kept trying to drive anyway). I'd like to try an offense where Langford is the point guard at the top of the key looking to feed our best shooters (Phinissee and Durham) on the wings or corners and Morgan and Smith as additional possibilities down low. When Langford has the ball under present circumstances, everybody knows he's going to try to drive down the lane, so the other four guys tend to stand and watch while the defense prepares to counter Langford's inevitable foul lane drive. I'd like to see an offense where the defense has to be aware of where Langford is and pay attention to him but might lose track of the other four. Langford is a good enough passer to do this role.

For me, the defensive play that may say it all was that play where Rutgers rebounded our missed shot and dribbled right past Romeo and scored a layup while he was standing there adjusting his sleeve. Romeo looked to be the only IU player that could have prevented the fast break, but he had a sleeve adjustment emergency that he thought just couldn't wait. And, how many times did we fail to block out a weakside Rutgers player who crashed the boards for a thunder dunk? Letting that happen once is a mistake; failing to block out all those other times is a bad habit.


I think you're wrong on both counts.
 
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Watching Mogan catching in the post last night.
I watched the other four stand..And watch ..
Not one cutter to the basket..Not one baseline pick so someone can slide to the corner for a three..
Idk..
This team just isn't much into work..
They give effort for like 9 minutes in the first half .Then its over.


I agree......you're lucky if you can get a good 10 minutes of attention and effort out of these guys.
 
you guys started off great beating number 10 Marquette, 15 Louisville, Illinois, penn state, Arkansas, and butler. You guys were ranked and playing well. Call me crazy, but I think with Langford out you may have a shot at beating Michigan state, albeit a long one you still have a shot. In your opinion what has changed that has caused this team to go backwards? On paper you guys have a really good team, since you guys see more than I do of them playing I would like to hear your opinions.
To me there has to be something internally that is causing some of the problems but have no idea if it is between players or is between players and coaches. Also I think that the injuries and fatigue that has come from that has worn on this team mentally as well. I also think that this team early was playing better but was barely winning a lot of those early games. I started to se some problems when we had to come from behind to beat Texas Arlington and UC Davis.
 
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Watching Mogan catching in the post last night.
I watched the other four stand..And watch ..
Not one cutter to the basket..Not one baseline pick so someone can slide to the corner for a three..
Idk..
This team just isn't much into work..
They give effort for like 9 minutes in the first half .Then its over.
And you don’t think this is coaching?
 
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