When Do We Reach The Point Where Schools and Teams Lose The Interest of The Fans

[iubhounds]

And for Us older guys, don't forget the total lack of fundamentals. Maybe I'm an out of touch old fart, but I cringe everytime I see a Player dribble the ball with his hand on the side of the ball or almost underneath it. In my day that was an automatic palming violation. Same thing with traveling, double dribble and 3 Second Violations. Somewhere along the line Coaching became roll the balls out and full Court Scrimmage for 3 Hours with no designed drills to improve fundamentals and correct problems and technique.

Fundamentals or lack thereof bothers me but the no calls for palming, traveling just drives me insane. You cannot tuck the ball into your arm and drive to the basket without dribbling without a traveling violation. They rarely make that move in two steps. I watched the 1976 championship game the other night on DVD and was surprised on two things ... (1) how good the passing into the post was (2) and how jam packed the lane was with almost 10 players all inside 15-17 feet of the basket. The sad part is, those parts of the game are not coming back ... fundamentals and official calls.

 

[Rotonda Jim]

With the movement of Players Through The Portal and Coaches From Job to Job, Where Do We reach the Point where Fans are Disinterested and Irrelevant? The NIL Deals and TV Money Now Run the Show. I've seen several players in the Portal for the third time looking for their 4th School in 4 Years. When We are dealing with paid Mercenaries (Coaches and Players) Who lack Loyalty to any School or Teammates. How do You follow a Team and Have interest when 3 Quarters of Rosters for some Schools are turning over. Do You ever reach a point where Schools say Ticket Sales and Attendance is no longer relevant, and We aren't going to market as We do now?
The one thing We can say is that Career School Records at many schools are safe and will never be broken because very few Players will stay at the same School for 4 years.

One of the great things that is now gone was to watch the growth and development of players from their freshman year through to their senior year. That was also a great way to evaluate the ability of a coach. Those days are gone forever. Sigh.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

So, there were cheerleaders for Archie 8 years ago. And cheerleaders for Woodson 4 years ago. And cheerleaders for CDD today. That's great, but I don't care what he did at Drake or West Virginia. People are already calling him "elite" and he didn't even make the tournament. He hasn't won a game here yet, and as of now he has what, two players on the team? Three? And no staff. Scorched earth may well be necessary but he's clearly set himself up having to fill an emtpy tank.

I drank the koolaid the last two hires and I'm not doing it again. Had the same feeling when we hired Cignetti by the way. A lot of talk and excitement but all that matters is can he win. Cignetti showed that he could. DeVries has not yet. Not here. Hope he does.

I think the Kool Aid rotted your brain and your ability to think rationally.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Max was an integral part of Indiana being the conference champs and winning the sixth man award.

You weren't talking about teams. You were talking about players.

 

[shooter1977]

Yes I am old so by some here my opinion might be skewed. I've been a sports fan my whole life. I only played sports at the high school level. There were a few years in the late 1970s living on the beach in Southern California I had zero interest in sports but once I came back it was more intense than ever. My sister in Indiana would tape and overnight the VCR tape to me of IU games in the mid to late 80s. So I never missed an IU game.

My VCR collection of IU basketball games grew to over 450 tapes with 3-4 games per tape in addition to the IU football bowl games. Now you can get all of those games on YouTube, with highlights at a minimum. During those years I might watch a game 3-4 times until the next one. Losses bothered me, made me grumpy until the next IU game.

So what I am getting at ... I went from "an addict" to "it's only a game, they will decide if they win or not." After a few Woodson games I saw the hand writing on the wall and lost interest but still tuned in when I said I wouldn't. Due to teams nationwide running the same offenses basically and too much like the NBA my interest level continued to decrease. Winning or losing didn't matter it was just a game. Not so for IU football.

Locally I hated seeing USI go D1. I have hated seeing what the NIL does/did to UE and USI but the interest is till there. Yet winning or losing doesn't matter that much anymore. Is that a lack of interest in the game?

The people on X that put the graphic together for school emblems for the starting 5 of each team in the Sweet 16 is interesting. Then last night someone did the same chart for those teams with their state or country from where each starting player originated from. Pretty amazing to see and proves just how much the college game has changed.

Change is most things is inevitable whether we like it or not. After this court ruling in April NIL will change but behind the scenes large payments will never stop no matter what. The bag is open and even if congress gets involved (terrible idea), the money will still flow under the table.

Yet, if there wasn't change they would still be shooting at peach baskets.

Great post. Totally agree on every team running the exact same offense. It's NBA lite. I think they should move the shot clock back to 35 or 40 seconds. That'd at least bring coaching and different style offenses back to college basketball.

But NIL and player movement is here to stay. IU will be fine. DeVries is going to bring back a ton of interest. But you wonder if lower to mid tier D1 programs will survive.

 

[iubhounds]

It is amazing the negativity CDD is getting after being on the job less than two weeks!! The portal has been open only 4 days. Sure there is an empty roster but none of the players fit his model. I mean you want to see that same crap next year from the same players that did not graduate or transfer? I don't.

It may be hard for some of you to understand after these past four years but CDD IS WORKING at solving all the issues you are concerned about. IF you have time and I know it's much easier being retired, but if you have time, listen to his interviews and catch what his plan is for a team and a staff. This is not a Tom Crean situation ... this is the new normal with NIL. No matter how much I liked IU going to school if someone would have offered me a million dollars in 1970s money to transfer to another school ... I'm gone!!!

But IMO most of these guys are not leaving for lack of money but were told nicely, in one on one interview ... don't let the door hit you in the ass and good luck.

Let CDD assemble HIS staff, HIS team, play some overseas exhibition games this summer to bond, get some better consistent shooters and those that can play defense .... THEN bitch all you want when he is not up to your standards. After all there is no better job in the USA than "arm chair" coaching.

 

[iubhounds]

Great post. Totally agree on every team running the exact same offense. It's NBA lite. I think they should move the shot clock back to 35 or 40 seconds. That'd at least bring coaching and different style offenses back to college basketball.

But NIL and player movement is here to stay. IU will be fine. DeVries is going to bring back a ton of interest. But you wonder if lower to mid tier D1 programs will survive.

I am guessing as early as the next 2-3 years you will see a lot of those mid tier D1 programs do what Saint Francis did yesterday. Maybe not like them to D3 but from D1 to D2. A point was made yesterday though after the NIL regulation those schools in the BigEast that don't play D1 football if at all will be able to dump more of their profit sharing money into basketball.

 

[iubhounds]

We’ll see what they do with Smith. Lot of talk on X that he’s worth a bunch, and some teams are willing to give it to him.

Will puke give it to him, will he stay at a discounted rate, or will he go get what the market says he’s worth? We’ll see.

The pukes can't give it to him ... they spent all their money on a football coach. LOL

 

[Tammany Hall]

With the movement of Players Through The Portal and Coaches From Job to Job, Where Do We reach the Point where Fans are Disinterested and Irrelevant? The NIL Deals and TV Money Now Run the Show. I've seen several players in the Portal for the third time looking for their 4th School in 4 Years. When We are dealing with paid Mercenaries (Coaches and Players) Who lack Loyalty to any School or Teammates. How do You follow a Team and Have interest when 3 Quarters of Rosters for some Schools are turning over. Do You ever reach a point where Schools say Ticket Sales and Attendance is no longer relevant, and We aren't going to market as We do now?
The one thing We can say is that Career School Records at many schools are safe and will never be broken because very few Players will stay at the same School for 4 years.

Despite all the angst about the portal and NIL, CFB and CBB attendance and ratings continue to be very good. The tribalism that drives college sports interest is still there, and the games are still pretty darn exciting, especially CFB.

If IUBB gets back on track, the interest will be very high. The get-in price for the Ohio State game was $130 and our program was a disaster... I just don't see hardly any evidence of college sports falling away.

 

[.Gerdis]

It is amazing the negativity CDD is getting after being on the job less than two weeks!!

What negativity?

 

[iubhounds]

What negativity?

no players, no coaches, didn't make the tournament, iu not listed on any of the transfer portal invites, ... just a few examples posted here, other IU forums and X. Whining ... not a good look.

 

[VanPastorMan]

With the movement of Players Through The Portal and Coaches From Job to Job, Where Do We reach the Point where Fans are Disinterested and Irrelevant? The NIL Deals and TV Money Now Run the Show. I've seen several players in the Portal for the third time looking for their 4th School in 4 Years. When We are dealing with paid Mercenaries (Coaches and Players) Who lack Loyalty to any School or Teammates. How do You follow a Team and Have interest when 3 Quarters of Rosters for some Schools are turning over. Do You ever reach a point where Schools say Ticket Sales and Attendance is no longer relevant, and We aren't going to market as We do now?
The one thing We can say is that Career School Records at many schools are safe and will never be broken because very few Players will stay at the same School for 4 years.

How about making a rule where you can transfer once? Also with all this transferring who is graduating? You lose credits a lot of times when you transfer.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

Max was an integral part of Indiana being the conference champs and winning the sixth man award.

Oh I agree, that's why I mentioned him.

I suppose the question of whether Ware over achieved here, under achieved at Oregon, or both, would get answered differently depending on who you asked.

 

[Jssanto]

With the movement of Players Through The Portal and Coaches From Job to Job, Where Do We reach the Point where Fans are Disinterested and Irrelevant? The NIL Deals and TV Money Now Run the Show. I've seen several players in the Portal for the third time looking for their 4th School in 4 Years. When We are dealing with paid Mercenaries (Coaches and Players) Who lack Loyalty to any School or Teammates. How do You follow a Team and Have interest when 3 Quarters of Rosters for some Schools are turning over. Do You ever reach a point where Schools say Ticket Sales and Attendance is no longer relevant, and We aren't going to market as We do now?
The one thing We can say is that Career School Records at many schools are safe and will never be broken because very few Players will stay at the same School for 4 years.

I commented on this several months ago on a thread.
I think those of us that are older will lose interest. They are not IU kids who came in as freshmen and developed to contribute down the road. They have no allegiance to IU.
Those that are younger will look at this annual 50% plus roster turnover as “business as usual”.
Where that age break occurs is a guess. Maybe 50?

 

[ANOTHERBANNERYEAR]

It is amazing the negativity CDD is getting after being on the job less than two weeks!! The portal has been open only 4 days. Sure there is an empty roster but none of the players fit his model. I mean you want to see that same crap next year from the same players that did not graduate or transfer? I don't.

It may be hard for some of you to understand after these past four years but CDD IS WORKING at solving all the issues you are concerned about. IF you have time and I know it's much easier being retired, but if you have time, listen to his interviews and catch what his plan is for a team and a staff. This is not a Tom Crean situation ... this is the new normal with NIL. No matter how much I liked IU going to school if someone would have offered me a million dollars in 1970s money to transfer to another school ... I'm gone!!!

But IMO most of these guys are not leaving for lack of money but were told nicely, in one on one interview ... don't let the door hit you in the ass and good luck.

Let CDD assemble HIS staff, HIS team, play some overseas exhibition games this summer to bond, get some better consistent shooters and those that can play defense .... THEN bitch all you want when he is not up to your standards. After all there is no better job in the USA than "arm chair" coaching.

I totally agree with your comment about the one on one interviews with the players.
I think DeVries is not giving them the option to stay or not. He’s just telling them bye-bye. Time to change the culture of IU basketball. GO HOOSIERS!!

 

[VanPastorMan]

One of the great things that is now gone was to watch the growth and development of players from their freshman year through to their senior year. That was also a great way to evaluate the ability of a coach. Those days are gone forever. Sigh.

I guess we could watch our freshmen playing for other teams. We will feel a lot of pride.

 

[ams66]

Winning will take care of everything.

That's all I'm saying. And after the past 20+ years, that's very much necessary.

 

[HoosierAlum07]

NBA=bad product
NCAA turning into NBA style=bad product

I got more important things to do and spend my $$$ on than to waste my time watching bad products.

 

[Kazhoosier]

What has happened for me is that I follow women's college basketball and the WNBA much more than men's college basketball and the NBA. For me, it all started in 2016 when the women's national championship game was in Indy. One of my daughter's had been watching UConn basketball for a few years and kept telling I should watch it and that I would like it. So I took her to the National Championship game as a birthday present and got to see UConn (with Breanna Stewart) win their fourth straight championship and 11th overall. They played such great team-oriented offense and defense that I started watching UConn on the regular.

Then a few years after that found that IU women's team had a great coach who also played a team-oriented style of offense and defense, with lots of unselfishness, passing, movement - the beautiful game when executed well.

I still love IU and hope that the men can turn it around - but I really haven't enjoyed many games over the past 8 years. I have loved watching IU's women's team and UConn's women's team and that is where I spend most of my basketball time and money nowadays.

 

[HoosierAlum07]

What has happened for me is that I follow women's college basketball and the WNBA much more than men's college basketball and the NBA. For me, it all started in 2016 when the women's national championship game was in Indy. One of my daughter's had been watching UConn basketball for a few years and kept telling I should watch it and that I would like it. So I took her to the National Championship game as a birthday present and got to see UConn (with Breanna Stewart) win their fourth straight championship and 11th overall. They played such great team-oriented offense and defense that I started watching UConn on the regular.

Then a few years after that found that IU women's team had a great coach who also played a team-oriented style of offense and defense, with lots of unselfishness, passing, movement - the beautiful game when executed well.

I still love IU and hope that the men can turn it around - but I really haven't enjoyed many games over the past 8 years. I have loved watching IU's women's team and UConn's women's team and that is where I spend most of my basketball time and money nowadays.

Good luck with that! Womens basketball may be a little more fundamentally sound but is much more boring to me. When I see a team like the Fever last year miss layup after layup after layup…I just cant change the channel quick enough!
I was following womens ncaa a couple decades ago, but that was when my step sis played for Wright State. She played against UConn and scored 13pts on Sue Bird. They got blown out though by 40pts.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Good luck with that! Womens basketball may be a little more fundamentally sound but is much more boring to me. When I see a team like the Fever last year miss layup after layup after layup…I just cant change the channel quick enough!
I was following womens ncaa a couple decades ago, but that was when my step sis played for Wright State. She played against UConn and scored 13pts on Sue Bird. They got blown out though by 40pts.

I’m not sure he needs luck with it since he’s been watching it for eight years.

 

[dayhr11]

It will be interesting if Purdue can stay with that model. They basically had their team together as freshmen when NIL was starting. They all knew they had a really good team, so it would make sense most of them would want to stay.

I tend to agree, but what if Smith or Renn were offered really big money next year by a blueblood that Purdue could not match. Not sure what would happen.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

For me, I have already been there much of the last 2 seasons. I keep hoping the flame will reignite, out of tradition and because IU Bball holds so many great memories. But to answer your question: I'd say about the time ISU hangs a 20 spot on us in the first game. I think that was the beginning of my IU bball doldrums.

For me I think is was 90 seconds into the 2013 game with ‘Cuse.

 

[Crossblock]

How about making a rule where you can transfer once? Also with all this transferring who is graduating? You lose credits a lot of times when you transfer.

I was thinking of part of your point earlier today in a little different context. There are Players who know by their Junior Year that They will not be playing Professional Basketball. If They transfer elsewhere, They may not get any more playing time. They may lose progress on their degree. If They stay where They are, They may be able to complete their undergrad degree in the Summer. and start work on a Masters Degree. If They are interested in Coaching, maybe They can stay for another year to complete their Masters and serve as a grad Assistant to get that experience.
I was thinking of Anthony Leal. I don't know what the transfer market was for Him last Year, but I am sure He could have transferred to a place for more playing time - maybe Eastern Kentucky, Evansville or another School at that level. I know He had completed his Undergrad Degree and got paid enough NIL Money to pay off his Sisters Student Loans. He stayed and got more playing time than He anticipated particularly the last third of the Year. I understand He was working on his Masters and has Plans to be in business in Bloomington. Local Kid, played entire career at IU and will be in business in his Hometown. There is a lot of goodwill there to carry over, and there may not have been as much goodwill had He transferred elsewhere for one year.

 

[OpenWheels]

"How about making a rule where you can transfer once?"

I thought the idea why that doesn't exist was the courts either already had, or would, strike that down because such a rule doesn't apply to other students.
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[ams66]

I thought the idea why that doesn't exist was the courts either already had, or would, strike that down because such a rule doesn't apply to other students.
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Schools can still set rules for student-athletes, and the NCAA could certainly limit transfers and other things. They just can't dictate much of what the student-athlete does outside of that, e.g. making money from NIL.

 

[OpenWheels]

Schools can still set rules for student-athletes, and the NCAA could certainly limit transfers and other things. They just can't dictate much of what the student-athlete does outside of that, e.g. making money from NIL.

I agree. That's what my belief has been.

But thought I read the reason as I posted on an 'analyze the legal issues of NIL website', as either having been part of a court case or fear that it could be.
Their example was something like 'would they have a rule that a music student on scholarship can only transfer once?'

Anyway, you are probably right. But if I can track down where I read that I'll post it.
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[ORG]

With the movement of Players Through The Portal and Coaches From Job to Job, Where Do We reach the Point where Fans are Disinterested and Irrelevant? The NIL Deals and TV Money Now Run the Show. I've seen several players in the Portal for the third time looking for their 4th School in 4 Years. When We are dealing with paid Mercenaries (Coaches and Players) Who lack Loyalty to any School or Teammates. How do You follow a Team and Have interest when 3 Quarters of Rosters for some Schools are turning over. Do You ever reach a point where Schools say Ticket Sales and Attendance is no longer relevant, and We aren't going to market as We do now?
The one thing We can say is that Career School Records at many schools are safe and will never be broken because very few Players will stay at the same School for 4 years.

Good points, it may change if TV viewership declines significantly.

 

[Bippy]

And for Us older guys, don't forget the total lack of fundamentals. Maybe I'm an out of touch old fart, but I cringe everytime I see a Player dribble the ball with his hand on the side of the ball or almost underneath it. In my day that was an automatic palming violation. Same thing with traveling, double dribble and 3 Second Violations. Somewhere along the line Coaching became roll the balls out and full Court Scrimmage for 3 Hours with no designed drills to improve fundamentals and correct problems and technique.

You are correct. You (like me) might be able to remember when they actually blew a whistle for palming

 

[abraxis]

For me, I have already been there much of the last 2 seasons. I keep hoping the flame will reignite, out of tradition and because IU Bball holds so many great memories. But to answer your question: I'd say about the time ISU hangs a 20 spot on us in the first game. I think that was the beginning of my IU bball doldrums.

That was Archie’s inaugural regular season game, a 29 pt loss to ISU. In literature, they would call that a foreshadowing. Gastroenterologists, if not proctologists, would hear the sound “Phf-i-i-t!!”

 

[Crossblock]

One thing We haven't brought up is when do NIL Sponsors start having Buyer's remorse? NIL is the new kid on the block and the novelty is still there. At some point a business has to look at this in terms of their bottom line financials. How do We measure our return on Our investment in NIL? Is it enough to just say the Association with the University and program provides Us with good will with the public that contributes to our bottom line even though We can't get an exact dollars and sense measurement? If fans and the public start to lose interest in a program or the sport in general is it still worth our investment? And from the University standpoint, if You lose NIL Sponsors, are they replaceable? Are there enough people or businesses willing to take a seat at the high stakes table and bring their Money with Them?
Right now NIL is like the High End Specialty Car Dealer Who is offering the expensive new super duper Model. Once the high rollers and high roller wannabes purchase their cars, You have limited additional buyers Who can afford the purchase. Because NIL is so new, it is somewhat like buying any new car. It is great for a while, but eventually the novelty and new car smell wear off and You have to consider all the options.

 

[Tammany Hall]

One thing We haven't brought up is when do NIL Sponsors start having Buyer's remorse? NIL is the new kid on the block and the novelty is still there. At some point a business has to look at this in terms of their bottom line financials. How do We measure our return on Our investment in NIL? Is it enough to just say the Association with the University and program provides Us with good will with the public that contributes to our bottom line even though We can't get an exact dollars and sense measurement? If fans and the public start to lose interest in a program or the sport in general is it still worth our investment? And from the University standpoint, if You lose NIL Sponsors, are they replaceable? Are there enough people or businesses willing to take a seat at the high stakes table and bring their Money with Them?
Right now NIL is like the High End Specialty Car Dealer Who is offering the expensive new super duper Model. Once the high rollers and high roller wannabes purchase their cars, You have limited additional buyers Who can afford the purchase. Because NIL is so new, it is somewhat like buying any new car. It is great for a while, but eventually the novelty and new car smell wear off and You have to consider all the options.

Most of our NIL comes from billionaires and hundred millionaires, and they are individuals, not businesses. Their NIL contributions are more or less a drop in the bucket for them, like 1% or less of their net worth, often 0.5% or less.

Of course they want to see IU win, so we have to show something on the field/court, but they're fundamentally just fans/long-term patrons of IU that are probably going to keep giving because that's what they do. They aren't measuring ROI like a business.

Also, no real signs of people losing interest in CFB or CBB.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Schools can still set rules for student-athletes, and the NCAA could certainly limit transfers and other things. They just can't dictate much of what the student-athlete does outside of that, e.g. making money from NIL.

Other than being 100% wrong, you nailed it.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

I agree. That's what my belief has been.

But thought I read the reason as I posted on an 'analyze the legal issues of NIL website', as either having been part of a court case or fear that it could be.
Their example was something like 'would they have a rule that a music student on scholarship can only transfer once?'

Anyway, you are probably right. But if I can track down where I read that I'll post it.
,

No, he's not right. At all.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Schools can still set rules for student-athletes, and the NCAA could certainly limit transfers and other things. They just can't dictate much of what the student-athlete does outside of that, e.g. making money from NIL.

The NCAA's decision to allow unlimited transfers for student-athletes was primarily driven by legal challenges and evolving pressures in college athletics. A federal antitrust lawsuit argued that the NCAA's previous restrictions on multiple transfers violated antitrust laws, leading to a preliminary injunction issued by U.S. District Court Judge John Preston Bailey in December 2023. This injunction prohibited the NCAA from enforcing rules that required athletes transferring more than once to sit out for a year15.
In response, the NCAA reached a settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice, permitting unlimited transfers without penalties. The Division-I Board of Directors subsequently ratified this change, granting immediate eligibility to athletes regardless of the number of transfers, provided they meet academic requirements125. This shift aligns with broader transformations in college sports, including changes to Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) rules and increased compensation for athletes15.
The legal and financial pressures from multiple federal antitrust cases, combined with advocacy for student-athletes' rights and fairness, were key factors behind this landmark policy change15.

Citations:​

1. https://www.si.com/college/gonzaga/...-an-unlimited-number-of-times-without-penalty
2. https://www.outkick.com/sports/ncaa-transfer-portal-unlimited-college-football-basketball
3. https://www.huschblackwell.com/newsandinsights/ncaa-adopts-changes-to-transfer-rules-and-nil-rules
4. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...low-unlimited-transfers-immediate-eligibility
5. https://yellowhammernews.com/ncaa-ratifies-unlimited-transfer-rule/
6. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...allow-unlimited-transfers-without-sitting-out
7. https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...aa-allows-players-to-transfer-multiple-times/
8. https://www.espn.com/college-footba...-transfer-rule-allowing-immediate-eligibility

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Answer from Perplexity: pplx.ai/share

 

[ams66]

Most of our NIL comes from billionaires and hundred millionaires, and they are individuals, not businesses. Their NIL contributions are more or less a drop in the bucket for them, like 1% or less of their net worth, often 0.5% or less.

Of course they want to see IU win, so we have to show something on the field/court, but they're fundamentally just fans/long-term patrons of IU that are probably going to keep giving because that's what they do. They aren't measuring ROI like a business.

Also, no real signs of people losing interest in CFB or CBB.

Agreed, I would guess most of the donors look at it as a charitable contribution. In fact Hoosiers for Good collective was set up with exactly that facade. They have no expectation of any "return" they just donate the money and maybe get a tax write-off.

 

[ams66]

The NCAA's decision to allow unlimited transfers for student-athletes was primarily driven by legal challenges and evolving pressures in college athletics. A federal antitrust lawsuit argued that the NCAA's previous restrictions on multiple transfers violated antitrust laws, leading to a preliminary injunction issued by U.S. District Court Judge John Preston Bailey in December 2023. This injunction prohibited the NCAA from enforcing rules that required athletes transferring more than once to sit out for a year15.
In response, the NCAA reached a settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice, permitting unlimited transfers without penalties. The Division-I Board of Directors subsequently ratified this change, granting immediate eligibility to athletes regardless of the number of transfers, provided they meet academic requirements125. This shift aligns with broader transformations in college sports, including changes to Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) rules and increased compensation for athletes15.
The legal and financial pressures from multiple federal antitrust cases, combined with advocacy for student-athletes' rights and fairness, were key factors behind this landmark policy change15.

Citations:​

1. https://www.si.com/college/gonzaga/...-an-unlimited-number-of-times-without-penalty
2. https://www.outkick.com/sports/ncaa-transfer-portal-unlimited-college-football-basketball
3. https://www.huschblackwell.com/newsandinsights/ncaa-adopts-changes-to-transfer-rules-and-nil-rules
4. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...low-unlimited-transfers-immediate-eligibility
5. https://yellowhammernews.com/ncaa-ratifies-unlimited-transfer-rule/
6. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...allow-unlimited-transfers-without-sitting-out
7. https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...aa-allows-players-to-transfer-multiple-times/
8. https://www.espn.com/college-footba...-transfer-rule-allowing-immediate-eligibility

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So they settled rather than contest the ruling. Thanks for the info, I would not have guessed this was the case. Normally a private association can have rules on who is a member and rules about what members can and can't do as members of the association. Universities (as one example) all have codes of conduct on what students can and cannot do, as do many other clubs and even something like an HOA. This is all generally legal even if it's exclusionary, as long as they follow their bylaws and processes.

 

[Stuffshot]

Kel'el Ware might disagree.

I think Ballo played well this year too, considering he was hurt a couple games and surrounded by idiots in most of the others.

 

[Stuffshot]

This is what I miss most. Not something you see much of anymore with many/most of the players being short timers.

Part of the reason for not seeing players develop surely must be the fact that coaches aren't really running offenses any more that have to be learned. Dribble drive seems so vague a concept as to be meaningless. Most of the screens at the top of the key look like rarely-called moving picks.

Shake and bake, juke and shoot, scream when someone touches you, flex if it goes in. High school level players on the bench practice their skits. No need to practice that.

 

[hozo4ultimate]

Yes I am old so by some here my opinion might be skewed. I've been a sports fan my whole life. I only played sports at the high school level. There were a few years in the late 1970s living on the beach in Southern California I had zero interest in sports but once I came back it was more intense than ever. My sister in Indiana would tape and overnight the VCR tape to me of IU games in the mid to late 80s. So I never missed an IU game.

My VCR collection of IU basketball games grew to over 450 tapes with 3-4 games per tape in addition to the IU football bowl games. Now you can get all of those games on YouTube, with highlights at a minimum. During those years I might watch a game 3-4 times until the next one. Losses bothered me, made me grumpy until the next IU game.

So what I am getting at ... I went from "an addict" to "it's only a game, they will decide if they win or not." After a few Woodson games I saw the hand writing on the wall and lost interest but still tuned in when I said I wouldn't. Due to teams nationwide running the same offenses basically and too much like the NBA my interest level continued to decrease. Winning or losing didn't matter it was just a game. Not so for IU football.

Locally I hated seeing USI go D1. I have hated seeing what the NIL does/did to UE and USI but the interest is till there. Yet winning or losing doesn't matter that much anymore. Is that a lack of interest in the game?

The people on X that put the graphic together for school emblems for the starting 5 of each team in the Sweet 16 is interesting. Then last night someone did the same chart for those teams with their state or country from where each starting player originated from. Pretty amazing to see and proves just how much the college game has changed.

Change is most things is inevitable whether we like it or not. After this court ruling in April NIL will change but behind the scenes large payments will never stop no matter what. The bag is open and even if congress gets involved (terrible idea), the money will still flow under the table.

Yet, if there wasn't change they would still be shooting at peach baskets.