No. But I flat guarantee we’re solidly in the field. His track record absolutely backs that up.
We are such a trash program…
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It’s one thing to blame it all on talent. It’s another to not see player development and team progress. Trayce is the same as he always was. Bates has seemingly regressed, and the same performance game after game from Kopp and Stewart got them more playing in must win games. True, this isn’t the ‘83 Sixers. But to not see some warning signs is just being disingenuous
I do not know anyone personally that was excited by the Woodson hire. They all thought we were going much bigger and Thad Matta at the very least I thought would be like a fall back hire. So there was not much excitement people simply talked themselves into the hiree and mostly because Matta and Fife came in. I think the excitement if there was any was false we wanted to believe so bad we talked ourselves into it. We are bascially back to the same feeling as last April now.
I loathe Kelvin Sampson. But nobody can deny that he's a terrific basketball coach. He's just one of those coaches who has a casual relationship with the rules. That isn't necessarily an awful thing, if they're subject to proper oversight. And he didn't have that here.
A great example of how this can work is Rick Pitino and CM Newton. They made a helluva team at Kentucky. As the Louisville debacle shows, Pitino isn't a stickler for the rules either. I'm sure Newton knew that. And he also knew the situation UK was in when Pitino came there. It worked like a charm.
I'm nowhere close to throwing in the towel on Woodson. To do so after one year, and inheriting a subpar team from a bad coach, wouldn't be fair to anybody.
But I will reiterate that, last year, I'd have liked to see us throw that big offer we reportedly threw at Stevens to Bruce Pearl. And just make sure he had that same kind of oversight that Newton gave to Pitino.
IU would never do that, though. And this is why we constantly struggle.
Has anybody done an honest and sober assessment of why IU has had such trouble attracting many high-level recruits?
Do they ever do followup interviews with targets who go elsewhere and try to get a sense of (a) why they chose where they chose, and (b) why they didn't choose Indiana? Maybe there are rules against that sort of contact. But it wouldn't even have to be anything detailed or formal.
But, in my experience, you can't fix something until you know exactly what the problem is.
the whole school is very, very soft now. Pudgy coeds, “powered” tools being used to fix buildings, covered bus stops….
You don’t spend $5 million per year on someone you have to babysit. They wouldn’t work under those conditions anyway. You make that hire and you’ve decided to play ball in that arena.
There's some truth to this, and I don't know if "soft" is the word, but "toxically stupid" might be more appropriate. It was a few years ago that I looked out my window and saw 4 guys planting a very small tree and three of them were "supervising" the work, and I mean like not eating lunch or taking a break, but hovering over it and pointing. It's been going on a while
You keep beating this drum and pushing this argument and it is all in hindsight.
If Archie was such a bad hire, why was he the top hire in all of the publications and lists?
Give it a F@#$ing rest.
Every player has a ceiling. Why do you think these players are showing less than they are capable of?
So you are going to take the "What I heard" crap and use it to back up your tirade?
Good thinking.
Yes, Crean needed to go. I don't understand the mentality of those that wish we could undo Crean's departure. If I were inclined to go down that road, I'd rather undo MD's departure first. All the firings were justified, but if anybody should have been given more grace, should have been MD
Way to go out on a ledge, GUARANTEE something that there is NO WAY to prove, either way.
Hey, I will play.
I guarantee that coach Moren would have won the national title with this group. Hell, they might not have last a game!
I didn't say that, what I said was basically if I had to choose of the one I'd undo first, let's start with MD. He was still getting 6 seeds and winning 20 games a year against our old tough schedules. His teams didn't bail on him in down years
And Woodson hasn’t even had a year and improved the team more from a win perspective. Sampson had DJ White and some real players. And don’t forget the home grown talent he picked up in Gordon… And we were a team that wasn’t meh for 20 years. To compare the two isn’t apples to apples.
DJ White, Gordon was just wanting a good coach, and we weren’t a team that hadn’t done anything in the tourney in 20 years. It’s a dumb comparison. And nowhere have I said Sampson wasn’t a good coach. You can search my Sampson posts. He is a very good coach IMO and wanted to find a way to keep him when IU admin went all nuclear on themselves like idiots.
But Woodson is a very good coach as well and we would be making a big mistake to dump him right now. Not only because he can turn this program around if actually given a chance, but also because it sends a bad message to any subsequent coach we would seek.
The only thing more frustrating than watching IU struggle to come back is watching all the flaky fans that have the patience of a 2yo. If the guy isn’t showing great strides in year 3-4, by all means make a change.
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