Vaccination Strategy and Therapeutics for those who have contracted the Virus

[aajohn2000]

I have primarily stayed on the sidelines and read many posts on this board relative to the pandemic, vaccinations and all the ugliness that comes with that discussion. I post these two articles as a means to provide more content around the topics. As difficult and apparently impossible for some to simply inform themselves without attacking an alternate view, I wanted to introduce these articles as a means to educate oneself. Whether you choose to believe the content of this information or it more solidifies a differing view, the basis of my providing this is to merely educate. I am sure for some reading an article by a medical professional rooted in a deep religious faith may be off putting. But do not allow her faith to take away from her experience as a medical professional and her views on medicine.
Both articles provide interesting content from professionals in their field that provide an interesting vantage point of vaccination strategy as well as treating those who contract the virus. Thanks.

Vaccine inventor questions mandatory shot push, Biden’s Covid-19 strategy

The Biden Administration’s strategy to universally vaccinate in the middle of the pandemic is bad science and badly needs a reboot.

m.washingtontimes.com

'This is a battle between Our Lord and the devil': Doctor-nun slams forced vaccines, communism - LifeSite

Sister Deirde Byrne, M.D., a retired U.S. Army officer and graduate of Georgetown University’s School of Medicine, said the push to force everyone to receive abortion-tainted COVID-19 shots ‘has a diabolic flavor to it.’

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

I know you want to open up discussion to different points of view, but articles from Life Site News? Really? So if I post articles from Weekly World News, can I expect serious discussion, and implore people to not consider the source?
Your whole paragraph prior to your copied posts was nothing more than poisoning the well against anyone who might call bullshit.

So, go ahead and tell me about my closed mind.

 

[jet812]

I know you want to open up discussion to different points of view, but articles from Life Site News? Really? So if I post articles from Weekly World News, can I expect serious discussion, and implore people to not consider the source?
Your whole paragraph prior to your copied posts was nothing more than poisoning the well against anyone who might call bullshit.

So, go ahead and tell me about my closed mind.

You conveniently failed to address he first article, care to discredit it or it’s information?

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

You conveniently failed to address he first article, care to discredit it or it’s information?

Nah. After I read the well-poisoning paragraph, then saw lifesitenews.com, I knew what I would be getting into, especially when the second source is a newspaper founded by Sun Myung Moon. No need to press down if you burn your hand on the stove.

 

[jet812]

Nah. After I read the well-poisoning paragraph, then saw lifesitenews.com, I knew what I was getting into. No need to press down if you burn your hand on the stove.

Willful ignorance then. It’s co-written by the inventor of mRNA vaccines, what could he possibly know?😂
Classic!

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Willful ignorance then. It’s co-written by the inventor of mRNA vaccines, what could he possibly know?😂

Willful discernment is more like it. I hope you practice the same.

 

[jet812]

Willful discernment is more like it. I hope you practice the same.

So why don’t you want to read an article on vaccination written by the person that helped invent the technology? The only logical conclusion is that you would rather remain willfully ignorant than become aware of science challenging the potentially unfounded claims or bad policy of your party & comrades. Not a good look …

 

[jet812]

Willful discernment is more like it. I hope you practice the same.

Science denier. This is gonna be a fun thread…

 

[aajohn2000]

I know you want to open up discussion to different points of view, but articles from Life Site News? Really? So if I post articles from Weekly World News, can I expect serious discussion, and implore people to not consider the source?
Your whole paragraph prior to your copied posts was nothing more than poisoning the well against anyone who might call bullshit.

So, go ahead and tell me about my closed mind.

Honestly, I have no clue about these publications and their validity as a news source. Take it for whatever it’s worth to you.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Science denier. This is gonna be a fun thread…

I deny that possibility.
But you go ahead and swallow everything these "news" sites shovel out, all the while lashing out at those who you claim do the same.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I have primarily stayed on the sidelines and read many posts on this board relative to the pandemic, vaccinations and all the ugliness that comes with that discussion. I post these two articles as a means to provide more content around the topics. As difficult and apparently impossible for some to simply inform themselves without attacking an alternate view, I wanted to introduce these articles as a means to educate oneself. Whether you choose to believe the content of this information or it more solidifies a differing view, the basis of my providing this is to merely educate. I am sure for some reading an article by a medical professional rooted in a deep religious faith may be off putting. But do not allow her faith to take away from her experience as a medical professional and her views on medicine.
Both articles provide interesting content from professionals in their field that provide an interesting vantage point of vaccination strategy as well as treating those who contract the virus. Thanks.

Vaccine inventor questions mandatory shot push, Biden’s Covid-19 strategy

The Biden Administration’s strategy to universally vaccinate in the middle of the pandemic is bad science and badly needs a reboot.

m.washingtontimes.com

'This is a battle between Our Lord and the devil': Doctor-nun slams forced vaccines, communism - LifeSite

Sister Deirde Byrne, M.D., a retired U.S. Army officer and graduate of Georgetown University’s School of Medicine, said the push to force everyone to receive abortion-tainted COVID-19 shots ‘has a diabolic flavor to it.’

www.lifesitenews.com

WHAT THE **** DID I PUT IN ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I KNEW THESE COMPANIES WERE SHIT!!!!! heart attack. sweet relief really. stroke. okay. i can live with that. dvt. sure. BELL'S PALSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF my stoker ain't walkin around town with half my face sliding down my neck. i'd rather have all the covid variants at once than bell's palsy. what's next? shingles?!

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Honestly, I have no clue about these publications and their validity as a news source. Take it for whatever it’s worth to you.

So, if I google an article on how DeSantis is killing Floridians, and found a far-left story from, say, The Palmer Report, or Huffington, I could expect serious discussion?
You must be new.

 

[jet812]

I deny that possibility.
But you go ahead and swallow everything these "news" sites shovel out, all the while lashing out at those who you claim do the same.

I’m not swallowing anything, I‘m just willing to read & consider a dissenting opinion as opposed to the path of willful ignorance you have chosen. I’ll bet we won’t hear from folks like Courtsense either, whose constant bleating that the non-vaccinated are destroying the world loses credibility by the day. And you all have the temerity to call Trump’s followers sheep…

 

[UncleMark]

I post these two articles as a means to provide more content around the topics.

Neither article provides anything beyond opinions from the fringes.

 

[aajohn2000]

Neither article provides anything beyond opinions from the fringes.

I respect your perspective.

 

[Sope Creek]

I have primarily stayed on the sidelines and read many posts on this board relative to the pandemic, vaccinations and all the ugliness that comes with that discussion. I post these two articles as a means to provide more content around the topics. As difficult and apparently impossible for some to simply inform themselves without attacking an alternate view, I wanted to introduce these articles as a means to educate oneself. Whether you choose to believe the content of this information or it more solidifies a differing view, the basis of my providing this is to merely educate. I am sure for some reading an article by a medical professional rooted in a deep religious faith may be off putting. But do not allow her faith to take away from her experience as a medical professional and her views on medicine.
Both articles provide interesting content from professionals in their field that provide an interesting vantage point of vaccination strategy as well as treating those who contract the virus. Thanks.

Vaccine inventor questions mandatory shot push, Biden’s Covid-19 strategy

The Biden Administration’s strategy to universally vaccinate in the middle of the pandemic is bad science and badly needs a reboot.

m.washingtontimes.com

'This is a battle between Our Lord and the devil': Doctor-nun slams forced vaccines, communism - LifeSite

Sister Deirde Byrne, M.D., a retired U.S. Army officer and graduate of Georgetown University’s School of Medicine, said the push to force everyone to receive abortion-tainted COVID-19 shots ‘has a diabolic flavor to it.’

www.lifesitenews.com

This guy's a pompous ass-idiot.

 

[Sope Creek]

WHAT THE **** DID I PUT IN ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I KNEW THESE COMPANIES WERE SHIT!!!!! heart attack. sweet relief really. stroke. okay. i can live with that. dvt. sure. BELL'S PALSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF my stoker ain't walkin around town with half my face sliding down my neck. i'd rather have all the covid variants at once than bell's palsy. what's next? shingles?!

Lemme know when any of that happens for real . . . especially the shingles part. I've been vaccinated for that!

 

[Sope Creek]

So why don’t you want to read an article on vaccination written by the person that wrote it?

Umm . . . what?

 

[aajohn2000]

Neither article provides anything beyond opinions from the fringes.

I can agree that today, regardless of media source whether considered bona fide or otherwise, it’s very difficult to find information based on facts and science vs opinion or twisting facts and misapplying it.

 

[jet812]

Umm . . . what?

Edited, thank you.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Lemme know when any of that happens for real . . . especially the shingles part. I've been vaccinated for that!

What age do you get that vax?

 

[aajohn2000]

So, if I google an article on how DeSantis is killing Floridians, and found a far-left story from, say, The Palmer Report, or Huffington, I could expect serious discussion?
You must be new.

Probably not. But I would find the perspective interesting and educational.

 

[Sope Creek]

What age do you get that vax?

65+ I think. You might ask for it when you go to the doc and get it at a younger age . . . Shingrix.

No Bells Palsy yet . . . nor any heart attack or stroke.

Yet.

BTW, Shingrix doesn't use a live virus like the other shingles vaccine does. Makes a difference to those with family members taking immune-suppressant biologics. Check with your stoker first, then your doc.

BTW2, my next door neighbor - an 70+ something woman who lives alone - had it for months and said it was far worse than childbirth - worse than any pain she's ever had otherwise.

 

[Harry Hondo]

What age do you get that vax?

50 and over. My doc told me I can go straight to the pharmacy for the shingles vax.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Probably not. But I would find the perspective interesting and educational.

I did read the articles, and I did find them interesting and educational...but, maybe not for the reason the authors wanted.
Thanks for posting them.

 

[mcmurtry66]

65+ I think. You might ask for it when you go to the doc and get it at a younger age . . . Shingrix.

No Bells Palsy yet . . . nor any heart attack or stroke.

Yet.

BTW, Shingrix doesn't use a live virus like the other shingles vaccine does. Makes a difference to those with family members taking immune-suppressant biologics. Check with your stoker first, then your doc.

BTW2, my next door neighbor - an 70+ something woman who lives alone - had it for months and said it was far worse than childbirth - worse than any pain she's ever had otherwise.

Yup. I remember when tony Larussa had it. Said it was living hell

 

[larsIU]

WHAT THE **** DID I PUT IN ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I KNEW THESE COMPANIES WERE SHIT!!!!! heart attack. sweet relief really. stroke. okay. i can live with that. dvt. sure. BELL'S PALSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF my stoker ain't walkin around town with half my face sliding down my neck. i'd rather have all the covid variants at once than bell's palsy. what's next? shingles?!

I guffawed.

 

[ulrey]

So, if I google an article on how DeSantis is killing Floridians, and found a far-left story from, say, The Palmer Report, or Huffington, I could expect serious discussion?
You must be new.

lol!

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I did read the articles, and I did find them interesting and educational...but, maybe not for the reason the authors wanted.
Thanks for posting them.

You are currently arguing with a bag of hair and a bag of toenail clippings. Good luck.

 

[Bowlmania]

I have primarily stayed on the sidelines and read many posts on this board relative to the pandemic, vaccinations and all the ugliness that comes with that discussion. I post these two articles as a means to provide more content around the topics. As difficult and apparently impossible for some to simply inform themselves without attacking an alternate view, I wanted to introduce these articles as a means to educate oneself. Whether you choose to believe the content of this information or it more solidifies a differing view, the basis of my providing this is to merely educate. I am sure for some reading an article by a medical professional rooted in a deep religious faith may be off putting. But do not allow her faith to take away from her experience as a medical professional and her views on medicine.
Both articles provide interesting content from professionals in their field that provide an interesting vantage point of vaccination strategy as well as treating those who contract the virus. Thanks.

Vaccine inventor questions mandatory shot push, Biden’s Covid-19 strategy

The Biden Administration’s strategy to universally vaccinate in the middle of the pandemic is bad science and badly needs a reboot.

m.washingtontimes.com

'This is a battle between Our Lord and the devil': Doctor-nun slams forced vaccines, communism - LifeSite

Sister Deirde Byrne, M.D., a retired U.S. Army officer and graduate of Georgetown University’s School of Medicine, said the push to force everyone to receive abortion-tainted COVID-19 shots ‘has a diabolic flavor to it.’

www.lifesitenews.com

I read both articles. Dr. Malone has impressive credentials, but his position regarding Covid vaccination is clearly a minority view among experts in the fields of immunology and epidemiology.

I respect Sr. Byrne's medical, military and religious service, but it's clear that her position is driven, probably exclusively, by her views on abortion. And the Life Site News article contains at least one important piece of misinformation: "With consistent success with early treatment using safe and effective drugs, Byrne said the focus on experimental COVID-19 'vaccines,' developed or tested using aborted fetal tissue, to the exclusion of proven therapeutics, has 'a bit of a diabolic flavor to it.'" This is not accurate. First, neither Pfizer nor Moderna used fetal cell lines in the development and production of the vaccine. They did use a fetal cell line, derived from an elective abortion in the Netherlands in 1973, in the confirmation phase. No fetal tissue (fetal tissue is obviously very different from a fetal cell line) was used in any aspect of development, production or testing of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

J&J, in manufacturing their vaccines, uses a fetal cell line descended from a 1985 Netherlands abortion. Again, a fetal cell line is not the same as fetal tissue, which is not used by any of the US vaccine manufacturers.

Finally, the Vatican earlier this year expressly permitted Catholics in good faith to receive Covid vaccines that use fetal cell lines in production or development.

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

www.nebraskamed.com

 

[ulrey]

So, if I google an article on how DeSantis is killing Floridians, and found a far-left story from, say, The Palmer Report, or Huffington, I could expect serious discussion?
You must be new.

Cuomo?

 

[aajohn2000]

You are currently arguing with a bag of hair and a bag of toenail clippings. Good luck.

If you throw in a bag of chips with that, it’s a hell of a combo.

 

[aajohn2000]

I read both articles. Dr. Malone has impressive credentials, but his position regarding Covid vaccination is clearly a minority view among experts in the fields of immunology and epidemiology.

I respect Sr. Byrne's medical, military and religious service, but it's clear that her position is driven, probably exclusively, by her views on abortion. And the Life Site News article contains at least one important piece of misinformation: "With consistent success with early treatment using safe and effective drugs, Byrne said the focus on experimental COVID-19 'vaccines,' developed or tested using aborted fetal tissue, to the exclusion of proven therapeutics, has 'a bit of a diabolic flavor to it.'" This is not accurate. First, neither Pfizer nor Moderna used fetal cell lines in the development and production of the vaccine. They did use a fetal cell line, derived from an elective abortion in the Netherlands in 1973, in the confirmation phase. No fetal tissue (fetal tissue is obviously very different from a fetal cell line) was used in any aspect of development, production or testing of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

J&J, in manufacturing their vaccines, uses a fetal cell line descended from a 1985 Netherlands abortion. Again, a fetal cell line is not the same as fetal tissue, which is not used by any of the US vaccine manufacturers.

Finally, the Vatican earlier this year expressly permitted Catholics in good faith to receive Covid vaccines that use fetal cell lines in production or development.

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

www.nebraskamed.com

Thank you for providing great content and perspective without personal attacks. Excellent addition to this discussion!

 

[mcmurtry66]

Thank you for providing great content and perspective without personal attacks. Excellent addition to this discussion!

He was saved. Now he's an excellent poster

 

[outside shooter]

Neither article provides anything beyond opinions from the fringes.

That is being kind. It's opinions from fact-deprived conspiracy bizarro world.

 

[Bowlmania]

He was saved. Now he's an excellent poster

You crack me up, mac! I guess that exchange I had with VanPastorMan a couple of months ago left an impression. 😃

 

[Bowlmania]

Thank you for providing great content and perspective without personal attacks. Excellent addition to this discussion!

I try to avoid the ad hominem stuff, here and in my day-to-day life, although I sometimes lose patience with a couple of guys here who are just assholes.

 

[UncleMark]

I try to avoid the ad hominem stuff, here and in my day-to-day life, although I sometimes lose patience with a couple of guys here who are just assholes.

Word. They need to take their shit to the Soccer Board.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Word. They need to take their shit to the Soccer Board.

At least the soccer thread.

 

[Stuffshot]

Honestly, I have no clue about these publications and their validity as a news source. Take it for whatever it’s worth to you.

What you wrote in your Post 9 immediately above is a lot different than the following that you wrote in Post 1: "I wanted to introduce these articles as a means to educate oneself."

To educate us, you offered articles about which you now admit you "have no clue"