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Update on Leal

Just another reason I am having doubts about Archie. Top 100 kid that lives next door the IU and he cant get an offer? His strength is “shooting.” Sometimes I feel like Archie is trying to not win.
 
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fkfootball said:
Just another reason I am having doubts about Archie. Top 100 kid that lives next door the IU and he cant get an offer? His strength is “shooting.” Sometimes I feel like Archie is trying to not win.
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sometimes...i feel like you are just typing just to type.

please tell us again how IU needs more shooters that "look like you" -- not the pudgy weird-looking part but you know...
 
fkfootball said:
Just another reason I am having doubts about Archie. Top 100 kid that lives next door the IU and he cant get an offer? His strength is “shooting.” Sometimes I feel like Archie is trying to not win.
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LOL . Have you watched him play? There is a reason Archie is taking his time. Truly some of the fan base is just clueless.
 
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all4iu76 said:
LOL . Have you watched him play? There is a reason Archie is taking his time. Truly some of the fan base is just clueless.
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yeah and you're one of them because I have seen him play several times and he is really good but needs to work on some things. If we have offered Galloway before him then something is wrong.
 
Sounds like he has an In-Home visit with Indiana. Is this visit so Archie can tell him he isnt ready to offer.
 
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jsig said:
Sounds like he has an In-Home visit with Indiana. Is this visit so Archie can tell him he isnt ready to offer.
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Is Leal at Top 100 player nationally in his class? If so, then he can play at the B1G level.
 
bsmitty08 said:
Kid had like 4 points in regional game against TJD team. He is solid but nothing special
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I noticed that too, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about 1 game. I've not seen him at all, but I'm guessing he's a really solid shooter but not a great athlete? I think Archie looks first at defensive abilities and that would be my guess as to why we've hesitated. But we do need shooters and it would hurt to see a really good one for 4 years somewhere else. I can live with it if we get someone else, but he seems to warrant serious consideration. I would guess we are offering if we've got an in-home scheduled, but we'll see.
 
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kkott said:
I noticed that too, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about 1 game. I've not seen him at all, but I'm guessing he's a really solid shooter but not a great athlete? I think Archie looks first at defensive abilities and that would be my guess as to why we've hesitated. But we do need shooters and it would hurt to see a really good one for 4 years somewhere else. I can live with it if we get someone else, but he seems to warrant serious consideration. I would guess we are offering if we've got an in-home scheduled, but we'll see.
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I was listening to an interview a couple weeks back on Dakich show with Jeff Van Gundy. They were talking about what you go after in college when recruiting. Van Gundy clearly said you go after shooters, you can always develop them to play defense but not the other way around. Makes sense...Your not gonna bring a kid in who plays defense and develop him to become a great shooter but the other way around you can get them to play good defense.
 
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Indianaftw said:
I was listening to an interview a couple weeks back on Dakich show with Jeff Van Gundy. They were talking about what you go after in college when recruiting. Van Gundy clearly said you go after shooters, you can always develop them to play defense but not the other way around. Makes sense...Your not gonna bring a kid in who plays defense and develop him to become a great shooter but the other way around you can get them to play good defense.
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I think you can do it either way, with the right kid and the right coaching. Oladipo is an example of a kid who played defense and learned to shoot. Jordan Hulls, on the other hand, was a great shooter but was never a good defender, mostly because of physical limitations.

Has Van Gundy ever recruited a kid to play in college, or coached a college team? I only ever remember him from the pros...
 
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Indianaftw said:
I was listening to an interview a couple weeks back on Dakich show with Jeff Van Gundy. They were talking about what you go after in college when recruiting. Van Gundy clearly said you go after shooters, you can always develop them to play defense but not the other way around. Makes sense...Your not gonna bring a kid in who plays defense and develop him to become a great shooter but the other way around you can get them to play good defense.
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I don't really agree with that. I've seen a lot of guys really improve their shooting, but to me a lot of defensive ability is God given in athletic ability and desire. I think with a good team oriented kid either can be improved upon, but I feel like I've seen a lot more kids improve their shooting than go from poor to good or great defenders. Might be changing, as I think defense is more often sacrificed at the AAU level, so in some cases it may just be that kids haven't been pushed and coached to be good defenders, but I'm thinking especially of the athletic abilities, that Archie seems to covet; can't improve that. Durham improved his 3 pt % from 28% to 38% in one year and looked a lot better doing it, while taking about 50% more attempts.
 
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Leal's ok.. But far from being a Jordan Hulls that when it left his hands you could almost ring up three.
Fans are way to crazy about signing in state kids.
I'll say this..I'd be surprised if he gave you much.Or anything as a freshman.
I personally would want much more than him ..
Or we'll be stuck in 5th threw 7th place in the Big Ten..jmo.
 
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Hoosier_Phenom said:
yeah and you're one of them because I have seen him play several times and he is really good but needs to work on some things. If we have offered Galloway before him then something is wrong.
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Rivals & 247 do not show an IU offer for Galloway. Do you know of one? They show offers from Butler, Iowa, MSU, Neb, ND & Purdue.
 
kkott said:
I noticed that too, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about 1 game. I've not seen him at all, but I'm guessing he's a really solid shooter but not a great athlete? I think Archie looks first at defensive abilities and that would be my guess as to why we've hesitated. But we do need shooters and it would hurt to see a really good one for 4 years somewhere else. I can live with it if we get someone else, but he seems to warrant serious consideration. I would guess we are offering if we've got an in-home scheduled, but we'll see.
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I've just seen him on TV a couple of times and on various you tube videos, but he looks quick and springy to me, with more than adequate ball-handling abilities. I don't think defense against your typical SG would be a big issue. The effort level would be there. What does bother me is that he seems to fade into the background sometimes against better competition, witness the game with TJD's team. I don't know if he has the take-over mentality of someone like the Guy kid, but that's just a guess.

I'd offer him, mainly because he's a B-ton kid that loves the program and would offer some stability, as well as shooting. I think he would be a 4 year starter at a place like NW and a 3 year starter at a place like Iowa. Don't know how good a fit he'd be for Archie's system (?).
 
Hatchets7times said:
Leal's ok.. But far from being a Jordan Hulls that when it left his hands you could almost ring up three.
Fans are way to crazy about signing in state kids.
I'll say this..I'd be surprised if he gave you much.Or anything as a freshman.
I personally would want much more than him ..
Or we'll be stuck in 5th threw 7th place in the Big Ten..jmo.
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He looks more athletic than Hulls, doesn't he? Probably not as good a ball-handler? Like Hulls, not a strong kid? Archie might prefer a stronger, defensive stopper, take it to the basket type?
 
mushroomgod_1 said:
He looks more athletic than Hulls, doesn't he? Probably not as good a ball-handler?
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More athletic and bigger than Hulls. Not near the shooter or ball-handler though and while he has a good basketball IQ it's nowhere near the level of Hulls. Will say both absolutely love IU and you always want a kid who wants to be there assuming it's a fit. If IU lands Morton the need for Leal dwindles, but I'd be shocked if IU didn't end up with at least one of them, if not both.
 
mushroomgod_1 said:
He looks more athletic than Hulls, doesn't he? Probably not as good a ball-handler?
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He's a way better athlete than Hulls. He's also 6' 4" and has some hops. He's got a 4.3 GPA and I've never heard any rumors of him getting into any kind of trouble either. My nephew is in the same class as him and they're buddies. He says that if he gets offered then he commits. These transfers might be the opening that allows him to get an offer. I do believe that Archie prioritizes Morton way more though, but Morton is being recruited as a PG and Leal as a SG/Wing. I never thought he'd take 2 guards in this class, but now I think it's a possibility. I would hate to see him go to another Big Ten school.
 
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IndyResident16 said:
More athletic and bigger than Hulls. Not near the shooter or ball-handler though and while he has a good basketball IQ it's nowhere near the level of Hulls. Will say both absolutely love IU and you always want a kid who wants to be there assuming it's a fit. If IU lands Morton the need for Leal dwindles, but I'd be shocked if IU didn't end up with at least one of them, if not both.
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I think you posted that just as I was posting my reply. :cool: Pretty spot on, but I don't think Morton's recruitment will deter Archie from going after Leal since they project to play different positions. I think that the issue was always a lack of scholarships. That's now been alleviated due to the transfers. Morton is a PG and Leal is a SG/Wing. I think Leal could be like Will Sheehey at IU.
 
Grateful Redbeard said:
Looks like IU is falling behind due to no offer, but I’d bet he’d accept on the spot if Archie offered.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals...uard-discusses-where-he-stands-in-recruitment

*This is also posted on the premie, but it’s clearly not premium content. Precisely why I don’t pay.*
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If I had never been out of Bloomington and I had the chance to move to California and go to Stanford I’d be gone in a second. Conversely I see a kid who spent all his time in California wanting to have the Big Ten experience .
 
Leal..Not the ball handler Hulls was.
Neither more than average..
Leal not close.
.Not even in the same stratosphere as Sheehey as athlete..
I saw guys here in So.Indiana on teams that could D Leal up..
That will have zero offer's..
 
Grateful Redbeard said:
Looks like IU is falling behind due to no offer, but I’d bet he’d accept on the spot if Archie offered.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals...uard-discusses-where-he-stands-in-recruitment

*This is also posted on the premie, but it’s clearly not premium content. Precisely why I don’t pay.*
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There is one really good reason to pay the $9.95 per month. It keeps the pukes and others that which to give their stupid opinions off of the site. And yes, there is much more premium information.
 
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Hatchets7times said:
Leal's ok.. But far from being a Jordan Hulls that when it left his hands you could almost ring up three.
Fans are way to crazy about signing in state kids.
I'll say this..I'd be surprised if he gave you much.Or anything as a freshman.
I personally would want much more than him ..
Or we'll be stuck in 5th threw 7th place in the Big Ten..jmo.
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The problem with people on this forum is that they want players to come in as freshman and be a savior instead of getting better and contributing in their Junior and Senior years. My point is that if we need shooters does it matter that he's not a complete player right now. If he can put the ball in the hoop especially from behind the arc at a high rate and play solid defense then I want him and by the time his four years are up we can be back at the top of the Big 10. This board wants a quick fix and it's not going to happen unless we can land a lot of high four and five stars.
 
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If I had never been out of Bloomington and I had the chance to move to California and go to Stanford I’d be gone in a second. Conversely I see a kid who spent all his time in California wanting to have the Big Ten experience .
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Well, then I'm glad we're not recruiting you.
 
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Leal..Not the ball handler Hulls was.
Neither more than average..
Leal not close.
.Not even in the same stratosphere as Sheehey as athlete..
I saw guys here in So.Indiana on teams that could D Leal up..
That will have zero offer's..
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He's ranked about 60 spots higher than Sheehey was and is only 2" shorter. Has some hops too. Not close to the same attitude or toughness as Sheehey though. Definitely a better outside shooter.
 
Leal is a good pick up if you're expected to have a 4 man class which may now be the case, but wasn't up until about 2-3 weeks ago when Forrester and Moore transferred out. Highly unlikely Watford or Quninones commits so even with a grad transfer or two for this coming year we should have at least 4 scholarships available for 2020. Not sold on TJD being a one and done but who knows if it'll end up that way and Archie will definitely be looking to add another big just in case with D Davis graduating. Would love a class of Morton and Loveday and then if you add Leal it's icing on the cake and you would still have a fourth scholarship to land another incoming freshman or a high profile transfer needing to sit out a year or grad transfer.
 
IndyResident16 said:
Leal is a good pick up if you're expected to have a 4 man class which may now be the case, but wasn't up until about 2-3 weeks ago when Forrester and Moore transferred out. Highly unlikely Watford or Quninones commits so even with a grad transfer or two for this coming year we should have at least 4 scholarships available for 2020. Not sold on TJD being a one and done but who knows if it'll end up that way and Archie will definitely be looking to add another big just in case with D Davis graduating. Would love a class of Morton and Loveday and then if you add Leal it's icing on the cake and you would still have a fourth scholarship to land another incoming freshman or a high profile transfer needing to sit out a year or grad transfer.
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I expect TJD to be at least a 2 year guy.
 
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Ok ..I'll give some..He's deffentlty not junk..
If our big's could be good enough. To get teams to sag or have to double.
And they kick it out..He'll probably become a knock down shooter..But I wouldnt want him to handle a bunch of the offensive load..
Surely Archie and his staff know what they'd want out of him..
I'd welcome him.
Go Hoosiers!
 
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Hoosier_Phenom said:
The problem with people on this forum is that they want players to come in as freshman and be a savior instead of getting better and contributing in their Junior and Senior years. My point is that if we need shooters does it matter that he's not a complete player right now. If he can put the ball in the hoop especially from behind the arc at a high rate and play solid defense then I want him and by the time his four years are up we can be back at the top of the Big 10. This board wants a quick fix and it's not going to happen unless we can land a lot of high four and five stars.
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Yes, I do think our former point guard coach may help him improve his handles.
 
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