Trump's ending the war

[Stuffshot]

Yours is buying him another beer keeping the tab open and hitting him with smelling salts to keep a winless fight going

I'm not buying Putin anything -- that's you and Trump.

 

[snarlcakes]

I’m praising an end of the war
Promises made. Promises kept cosmic

Only Trump could get a bunch of liberals upset over a war ending🙄

 

[Stuffshot]

In your view, what would be the preferred ending be to the Ukrainian conflict? Putin is totally defeated, withdraws all forces and is deposed to be replaced by who? The Russian Emmanuel Macron? Someone who will lead a Russian renaissance of liberal democracy?

Sounds kind of stupid doesn’t it?

Russia doesn’t present an immediate military threat. I’m correct.

I like the way you put it: "Putin is totally defeated, withdraws all forces and is deposed ...."

You're finally coming to your senses, maybe.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You should tell Putin his war is going so badly that he looks like a fool.

Russia's population is nearly five times the population of Ukraine. -- yet Putin has failed to conquer it, even against a "modestly successful comedian" as Trump called him.

You backed one loser in the election. Now, you seem to be backing another loser in a war.

You wanted Harris and walz. Just how stupid are you

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Recounting the narrative we've heard for the last few years. Libshits always overreach and always want it both ways. Critical thinking is lost on your little posse.
Putin is relatively stable, a known quantity.
His successor is not known. He could be much, much worse.
Not too much to celebrate with a million dead and an economy and infrastructure destroyed for decades.
American jingoism and bullying have created a real mess the last 70 years...I hope we can move towards cleaning it up.

It always gets me. If the evil Vladimir Putin is deposed, and I do believe he is evil. Who exactly do people believe comes next? What happens to the largest nuclear stockpile in the world with no leader or functioning government? Or a presumably even more antagonistic leader?

The devil we know is preferable in this case.

 

[snarlcakes]

No. Trump is not only stupid but ignorant.

The dumbest thing in Trump's post is, "We have a big, beautiful blue Ocean as separation."

Lindbergh promoted the same isolationist thoughts, even though Lindbergh himself had just flown a plane nonstop across the same "big, beautiful blue Ocean" in 1927.

Throughout 1942, ancient, tiny diesel German submarines crossed that same "big, beautiful blue Ocean" and sank 397 cargo ships off the east coast of the US in the first seven months of 1942.

This was the secret war off the US coast during World War II

While World War II wasn't exactly a secret, one u-boat battle off the US coast went down behind the scenes in a secret war.

www.wearethemighty.com

Now, Trump's buddy Putin can direct intercontinental missiles to America's shores and can sink ships on the east coast with antiship missiles launched from aircraft and submarines hundreds of miles away.

Trump is so ignorant that he doesn't realize the Atlantic Ocean offers no protection whatsoever.

You fell for Trump once again.

Exit to add: Putin has also been caught bombarding American social media with cyberwarfare proving once more that the Atlantic Ocean is no protection.

Large oceans do protect us from China and Russia. Sorry, Stuffy, you’re really stupid if you can’t figure that out.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Larger oceans do protect us from China and Russia. Sorry, Stuffy, you’re really stupid if you can’t figure that out.

Just stop at. You’re really stupid

 

[Stuffshot]

100% we would.

At this point, we would know Ukraine will have to give up land--not just what the lost prior 2022, but new land after that. Any good examples of the map being redrawn in Europe that have not been a disaster (other than ones that were agreed to by all sides outside of a surrender party (WW1 and WW2). Will this satisfy the two parties or will it be another Sudetenland? The later seems a more likely end result.

There's the financial cost to prolonging the war (at least on the parties that contribute)

Would Europe put troops on the ground? I think that is possibility. Russia is using North Korean troops/prisoners as fodder.

Would we ever put troops on the ground? Highly doubtful

What is the cost of the US adopting a more isolation approach now? It seems contradictory to assert as Vance did that you don't like Europe's policies on immigration, etc and are trying to dictate change but not want to stay involved in a very significant power play in Europe.

We have few allies at this time. We've managed to crap on Canada and Mexico. We never had a good relationships with central or most of South America. We have been a disaster for 100 years in Africa. South Korea and Japan seem to be on solid ground. Australia always goes the way England goes.

Is ending this war really an altruistic advancement by the current administration? Or is there an opportunity to make money if the war ends? What if the war doesn't end and Europe provides a guaranty to Ukraine--a possibility.

What would a resolution negotiated by the US look like that wouldn't be perceived as an appeasement or one that would open the door to Russia to take additional steps to reclaim former soviet states. Our current president, days after Russia invaded the Ukraine, referred to Putin as a genius for doing so.

I think there needs to be an understanding of what Putin is really about--he doesn't want peace. He wants land and he wants to recapture the glory (or perceived glory) of the Soviet Union.

Lots to think about, but we can't cry for the loss of western civilization and then abandon the ones that birthed it.

Trump doesn't understand the dynamics of creating allies and maintaining them. Trump doesn't accept the notion of loyalty.

 

[Stuffshot]

Large oceans do protect us from China and Russia. Sorry, Stuffy, you’re really stupid if you can’t figure that out.

Nah.

You (not me) are the one that can't express why you claim that's true in a day of cyberwarfare that crosses continents, missiles that fly thousands of miles, bombers that fly halfway around the world, submarines that stay submerged for months at a time.

 

[twenty02]

Large oceans do protect us from China and Russia. Sorry, Stuffy, you’re really stupid if you can’t figure that out.

Then why do we need a $2.5T iron dome?

 

[mcmurtry66]

You've never regained your sanity after you told us Ron Desantis would be the nominee. You never recovered from the shock of being so embarrassingly wrong.

I even told you Trump was going to be the nominee, but you didn't listen and resorted to namecalling then just like now.

And why is that embarrassing. I like Desantis. But what you have avoided a thousand times is what progressive policies you like? Why can’t you answer that? Is it open borders? Defund? Are you so ashamed to be aligned with cori bush in your beliefs you can’t respond? Are you wearing your men for Harris/walz t shirt?

 

[snarlcakes]

Then why do we need a $2.5T iron dome?

I don’t know if we do or don’t.

 

[BradStevens]

Then why do we need a $2.5T iron dome?

We don’t.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Then why do we need a $2.5T iron dome?

Oceans to the east and west coupled with allies to the north and south protect us from invasion. Along with our other obvious capabilities. Whether we need a dome for the rest I have no idea.

 

[Lucy01]

Then why do we need a $2.5T iron dome?

I told you once! To protect the people inside the Dome!

 

[UncleMark]

Then why do we need a $2.5T iron dome?

To give the Space Force something to do.