Trump Zelensky today.....

[Mas-sa-suta]

Mas most of us have always known Trump had no leverage on Putin.

Trump was not in office until Jan/25.
His nominees in place for what, 30 days?

What position tactically or politically was dumped in his lap re Russia /Ukraine??

When at any time has NATO(US) held any leverage on RU? The Kursk incursion adventure has proven a disaster..the UKR military continues to attrit at unsustainable levels.

RU is working to leverage the non-complient NATO(US) States away from the west bloc.

 

[Spartans9312]

 

[Indyhorn]

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Always playing four D chess for Mother Russia- be proud. U.S. Senate Intelligence Report didn’t lie. Some read…

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Trump was not in office until Jan/25.
His nominees in place for what, 30 days?

What position tactically or politically was dumped in his lap re Russia /Ukraine??

When at any time has NATO(US) held any leverage on RU? The Kursk incursion adventure has proven a disaster..the UKR military continues to attrit at unsustainable levels.

RU is working to leverage the non-complient NATO(US) States away from the west bloc.

You don’t even try to hide that you’re a Russian tool now.

 

[Indyhorn]

You don’t even try to hide that you’re a Russian tool now.w

Hope Mas has some Putin coin like do Tulsi, Tucker, and Vance- but imagine not.

 

[Spartans9312]

This has been the issue from the start

 

[Spartans9312]

The Secret History of the War in Ukraine

This is the untold story of America’s hidden role in Ukrainian military operations against Russia’s invading armies.

www.nytimes.com

Very good job by the NYT

 

[Mark Milton]

The Secret History of the War in Ukraine

This is the untold story of America’s hidden role in Ukrainian military operations against Russia’s invading armies.

www.nytimes.com

Very good job by the NYT

It was a great piece. Read it this morning.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

American Veterans Fighting in Ukraine Struggle with the Politics of Abandonment

Hundreds of Americans have fought in Ukraine since Russia's full-scale invasion began. At least 50 have been killed, 40 of whom were former U.S. service members.

www.military.com

 

[dbmhoosier]

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[Lucy01]

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This is Biden’s mess!

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

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Trump needs to beef up his postbellum security arrangement. The way it's reportedly written is vague and toothless. It's also entirely reliant on European commitments that POTUS has no authority to commit. There is no mention at all of any US peacekeeping commitment.

And why? Well, obviously, because Putin has balked at that. Putin may as well have written this security guarantee himself.

If I'm Trump right now, I'm turning up the heat on Putin, not Zelenskyy. But I've been saying that for a long time -- and I'm under no illusion that this is going to happen.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Always be prepared to walk away from any deal.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Always be prepared to walk away from any deal.

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What does that mean? If I am Russia and believe the US will walk away from supporting Ukraine I would turn down any deal.

 

[mcmurtry66]

What does that mean? If I am Russia and believe the US will walk away from supporting Ukraine I would turn down any deal.

Ukraine becomes our 53rd state or we’re out

 

[Bowlmania]

Always be prepared to walk away from any deal.

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Who is Eric Daugherty? Why won’t he spell “killing” in its entirety in his post?

 

[Bowlmania]

What does that mean? If I am Russia and believe the US will walk away from supporting Ukraine I would turn down any deal.

And they campaigned on ending the war in a day. Sigh.

 

[larsIU]

Ukraine becomes our 53rd state or we’re out

Clever

 

[larsIU]

Who is Eric Daugherty? Why won’t he spell “killing” in its entirety in his post?

Unaliving?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Clever

Shakhtar. We’d have champions league/Europa in the states

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Ukraine becomes our 53rd state or we’re out

No to Ukraine. My arm chair geopolitical analysis (which is better than most former Secretary’s of State) tells me Trump desires to disentangle entirely from the Eurasian land mass and move to hemispheric defense.

Hence the Panama choke point. Hence artic dominance with Greenland. Hence the emphasis on the western Pacific Hawaii, Guam, etc. as the first line of defense before the pacific moat.

Every major conflict of the 20th and 21st century saw U.S. forces being dragged into Eurasia. Detach. Lock down the Western Hem, only then can you start to really cut DoD spending.

It will be great for the U.S., great for those in our hemisphere, bad for “allies” in Eurasia who have been complacent about their own defense.

 

[larsIU]

Shakhtar. We’d have champions league/Europa in the states

don't sleep on Dynamo Kiev.

Funny story part deux. Older (almost defunct) Indy club by the name of Dynamo was the main rival back in teh day. No idea what Dynamo was for until I was in college.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Not another soccer thread.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

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What are the concessions for the aggressor or is Ukraine always the one to give up things?

 

[mcmurtry66]

don't sleep on Dynamo Kiev.

Funny story part deux. Older (almost defunct) Indy club by the name of Dynamo was the main rival back in teh day. No idea what Dynamo was for until I was in college.

Dynamo fc has been around forever. I remember them.

Yes good call on Kiev

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

What does that mean? If I am Russia and believe the US will walk away from supporting Ukraine I would turn down any deal.

Precisely.

There's absolutely no downside to Putin for failing to achieve a ceasefire or something more permanent. And it's because Trump refuses to present him any sticks....he's saved all of them for Zelenskyy.

Trump sees a business opportunity with Russia. I don't really know what I think about that. My first reaction is to scoff at it. But I suppose there could be some sense in it -- particularly if you widen the lens to include an eye towards China.

I could support this general framework -- but only if he makes that security guarantee something better defined and likely to actually create security for Ukraine. Trumpers keep saying that Ukraine's real security agreement is our involvement in Ukrainian industries. But that's bullshit -- if I'm Zelenskyy, I'd put no value on that. Those opportunities could still exist for us if Russia comes in an consumes all the rest of the country. So we wouldn't have anything to lose. They'd have everything to lose.

Putin's rejection of the peacekeeping force (similar to what exists in Korea, I'd assume) seems like a huge tell to me. What possible reason would he have to object to those assets being there...if not to make it easier to conquer the rest of the nation when it suits him?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Who is Eric Daugherty? Why won’t he spell “killing” in its entirety in his post?

Snot nosed college kid. Dbm thinks he’s a smart Twitter Twit.

 

[DANC]

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If Trump had a brain in his head, he'd propose a deal where Russia gets to use the sub bases in Crimea and Ukraine keep the rest of a demilitarized Crimea. Same for Donbas. Demilitarize it and put UN peacekeepers in there.

Seems like such an obvious proposal that makes everyone give a little and get most of what they want.

 

[DANC]

Always be prepared to walk away from any deal.

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If I'm Ukraine, I'm waving bye-bye. It's a sad day when the US rewards naked aggression on a democratic, sovereign nation.

 

[iuwclurker]

Europe needs to respond to this crappy deal forcefully.

 

[DANC]

What does that mean? If I am Russia and believe the US will walk away from supporting Ukraine I would turn down any deal.

Only if Putin isn't desparate. And he's desparate.

Ukraine can strike anywhere they want inside Russia. With the US out, there is nothing to stop Ukraine from striking inside Russia more than they are now.

 

[iuwclurker]

In fact, if the US walking away from negotiations means withdrawal of all US support, then this “deal” is actually an ultimatum from the US for Ukraine to surrender as is.

 

[DANC]

Europe needs to respond to this crappy deal forcefully.

'Europe' can't do shit. This is between Ukraine and Russia. Ukraine realizes Trump isn't their friend in all this.

 

[DANC]

In fact, if the US walking away from negotiations means withdrawal of all US support, then this “deal” is actually an ultimatum from the US for Ukraine to surrender as is.

Ukraine has leap-frogged he rest of the world and is fighting a 21st Century war. Tanks are uselsss or inefficient against drones and Ukraine is on the cutting edge of drone technology and has their own defense industry now.

If the US leaves, Ukraine will have plenty of aid from the EU and internally to continue to fight.

 

[dbmhoosier]

 

[DANC]

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This should be interesting.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Not another soccer thread.

 

[BCCHoosier]

This should be interesting.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I can't find anything on reputable news sites yet.

 

[DANC]

I can't find anything on reputable news sites yet.

I heard him say it in passing at his press conference thing. Not sure what the occassion was, but he was talking to the press.

It was almost like an off-hand comment, where he said he THINKS there is an agreement. Sounds like happy talk to me.

 

[dbmhoosier]

I heard him say it in passing at his press conference thing. Not sure what the occassion was, but he was talking to the press.

It was almost like an off-hand comment, where he said he THINKS there is an agreement. Sounds like happy talk to me.

He thinks.