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Trump admin involved in fake-electors plot in Georgia?

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I haven’t followed details of this but this doesn’t sound good:

 
I haven’t followed details of this but this doesn’t sound good:

good. if not at trump's behest hopefully with his knowledge. get him out of the pic so we can move on.
 
Jr. for prez. Hunter for VP. Coke them both up. We'll get more shit done than any administration in history...until they crash. But it'll be glorious until then
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It's a good thing. Get trump out in advance of midterms etc
I know where you are coming from. I just don't know that I am comfortable with the lengths some will go to achieve that. Do I have a complete an extreme distrust of DC.... YEP. Let's see where this goes.
 
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I know where you are coming from. I just don't know that I am comfortable with the lengths some will go to achieve that. Do I have a complete an extreme distrust of DC.... YEP. Let's see where this goes.
We all distrust DC. But Trump's words and actions are enough to believe he bears some responsibility for Jan 6. If you want trump you have DeSantis. Same shit without the stink. Vote for him. And if others in the party don't like DeSantis they can go to the next one on line. But the sooner trump is out the better.

Trump lost. Period. And he F'd up the senate too. Enough is enough
 
I haven’t followed details of this but this doesn’t sound good:

Isn't it amazing how the FBI can't find 30,000 missing Hillary e-mails, but WaPo can find a single e-mail that's negative to the Trump campaign?
 
Jr. for prez. Hunter for VP. Coke them both up. We'll get more shit done than any administration in history...until they crash. But it'll be glorious until then
I know you've joked about it, but I would wager heavily on Kushner and his Frat bros doing a better job running the country than either of the past two administrations.
 
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I know you've joked about it, but I would wager heavily on Kushner and his Frat bros doing a better job running the country than either of the past two administrations.
Kushner did a pretty amazing job on the Abraham Accords.

Maybe that's what this country needs - a good frat party in the White House!
 
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Uhhhhhh, he recruited Peter Navarro using Amazon reviews.

Chew on that for a sec.
Yeah, Navarro was totally unqualified.

"Navarro attended Tufts University on an academic scholarship,[26] graduating in 1972 with a Bachelor of Arts degree.[4] He then spent three years in the U.S. Peace Corps, serving in Thailand.[10][29] He earned a Master of Public Administration from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government in 1979, and a PhD in Economics from Harvard under the supervision of Richard E. Caves in 1986.[29]"

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From 1981 through 1985, he was a research associate at Harvard's Energy and Environmental Policy Center. From 1985 through 1988, he taught at the University of California, San Diego and the University of San Diego.[30][29] In 1989 he moved to the University of California, Irvine as a professor of economics and public policy. He continued on the UC Irvine faculty for more than 20 years and is now a professor emeritus.[31] He has worked on energy issues and the relationship between the United States and Asia.[32] He has received multiple teaching awards for MBA courses he has taught.[33]

As a doctoral student in 1984, Navarro wrote a book entitled The Policy Game: How Special Interests and Ideologues are Stealing America, which claimed that special interest groups had led the United States to "a point in its history where it cannot grow and prosper." In the book, he also called for greater worker's compensation to help those who had lost jobs to trade and foreign competition. His doctoral dissertation on why corporations donate to charity is one of his most cited works. He has also done research in the topic of wind energy with Frank Harris, a former student of his.[34]

Navarro has written over a dozen books on various topics in economics and specializing in issues of balance of trade. He has published peer-reviewed economics research on energy policy, charity, deregulation and the economics of trash collection."

 
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Uhhhhhh, he recruited Peter Navarro using Amazon reviews.

Chew on that for a sec.
Uh Huh. And the Biden administration is filled with people who have extensive government experience, and lists of credentials as long as your arm.

Gimme the masses reviewing someone on Amazon over people who's shitty ideas have been incubated by like minded "wonks" their entire career.
 
I haven’t followed details of this but this doesn’t sound good:

The biggest question for me is this....

how in the world did anyone actually think that using fake ELECTORS could somehow work?!?
 
I know you've joked about it, but I would wager heavily on Kushner and his Frat bros doing a better job running the country than either of the past two administrations.
Kushner? What has he ever done that he didn’t royally f up.?
 
I haven’t followed details of this but this doesn’t sound good:

I wish they investigated everyone with the energy they waste trying to pin stuff on Trump. The hypocrisy is, they all wanted to be his buddy until he went up against queen hillary and the MSM told them they needed to hate him now. lol
 
Gimme the masses reviewing someone on Amazon over people who's shitty ideas have been incubated by like minded "wonks" their entire career.
From @DANC 's post

"Navarro attended Tufts University on an academic scholarship,[26] graduating in 1972 with a Bachelor of Arts degree.[4] He then spent three years in the U.S. Peace Corps, serving in Thailand.[10][29] He earned a Master of Public Administration from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government in 1979, and a PhD in Economics from Harvard under the supervision of Richard E. Caves in 1986.[29]"

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From 1981 through 1985, he was a research associate at Harvard's Energy and Environmental Policy Center. From 1985 through 1988, he taught at the University of California, San Diego and the University of San Diego.[30][29] In 1989 he moved to the University of California, Irvine as a professor of economics and public policy. He continued on the UC Irvine faculty for more than 20 years and is now a professor emeritus.[31] He has worked on energy issues and the relationship between the United States and Asia.[32] He has received multiple teaching awards for MBA courses he has taught.[

But yeah, totally not one of the elites.
 
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Like Danc said, by all accounts he had a major leadership role in the Abraham Accords. He also was a strong supporter and driver of the FIRST STEP act. His intuition on the seriousness of Covid was also correct imo.
I guarantee you he's infinitely smarter than Biden/Harris etc. I'd take him and his frat bros over the entire administration in a heartbeat. What's more he seems sweet and empathetic. Very relatable guy :D
 
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I wish they investigated everyone with the energy they waste trying to pin stuff on Trump. The hypocrisy is, they all wanted to be his buddy until he went up against queen hillary and the MSM told them they needed to hate him now. lol

lol, you're a riot. Tough on crime...unless it is Trump. The new GOP motto?
 
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Yeah, Navarro was totally unqualified.

"Navarro attended Tufts University on an academic scholarship,[26] graduating in 1972 with a Bachelor of Arts degree.[4] He then spent three years in the U.S. Peace Corps, serving in Thailand.[10][29] He earned a Master of Public Administration from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government in 1979, and a PhD in Economics from Harvard under the supervision of Richard E. Caves in 1986.[29]"

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From 1981 through 1985, he was a research associate at Harvard's Energy and Environmental Policy Center. From 1985 through 1988, he taught at the University of California, San Diego and the University of San Diego.[30][29] In 1989 he moved to the University of California, Irvine as a professor of economics and public policy. He continued on the UC Irvine faculty for more than 20 years and is now a professor emeritus.[31] He has worked on energy issues and the relationship between the United States and Asia.[32] He has received multiple teaching awards for MBA courses he has taught.[33]

As a doctoral student in 1984, Navarro wrote a book entitled The Policy Game: How Special Interests and Ideologues are Stealing America, which claimed that special interest groups had led the United States to "a point in its history where it cannot grow and prosper." In the book, he also called for greater worker's compensation to help those who had lost jobs to trade and foreign competition. His doctoral dissertation on why corporations donate to charity is one of his most cited works. He has also done research in the topic of wind energy with Frank Harris, a former student of his.[34]

Navarro has written over a dozen books on various topics in economics and specializing in issues of balance of trade. He has published peer-reviewed economics research on energy policy, charity, deregulation and the economics of trash collection."

A lot of smart people go wonky.

He went wonky.
 
Yeah, Navarro was totally unqualified.

"Navarro attended Tufts University on an academic scholarship,[26] graduating in 1972 with a Bachelor of Arts degree.[4] He then spent three years in the U.S. Peace Corps, serving in Thailand.[10][29] He earned a Master of Public Administration from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government in 1979, and a PhD in Economics from Harvard under the supervision of Richard E. Caves in 1986.[29]"

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From 1981 through 1985, he was a research associate at Harvard's Energy and Environmental Policy Center. From 1985 through 1988, he taught at the University of California, San Diego and the University of San Diego.[30][29] In 1989 he moved to the University of California, Irvine as a professor of economics and public policy. He continued on the UC Irvine faculty for more than 20 years and is now a professor emeritus.[31] He has worked on energy issues and the relationship between the United States and Asia.[32] He has received multiple teaching awards for MBA courses he has taught.[33]

As a doctoral student in 1984, Navarro wrote a book entitled The Policy Game: How Special Interests and Ideologues are Stealing America, which claimed that special interest groups had led the United States to "a point in its history where it cannot grow and prosper." In the book, he also called for greater worker's compensation to help those who had lost jobs to trade and foreign competition. His doctoral dissertation on why corporations donate to charity is one of his most cited works. He has also done research in the topic of wind energy with Frank Harris, a former student of his.[34]

Navarro has written over a dozen books on various topics in economics and specializing in issues of balance of trade. He has published peer-reviewed economics research on energy policy, charity, deregulation and the economics of trash collection."

And at some point he became a little crazy..... Like your Cult Leader.
 
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But yeah, totally not one of the elites.
I think you're crossing your wires a bit. One's education/ credentials alone does not make them an elitist. It is an attitude problem, that comes from a belief that you can better plan someone's life than they can themselves. Elitist and "wonk" are nothing close to synonyms.

My comment was more akin to the idea that a Rotten Tomatoes crowd score is more likely to give you and idea of whether the movie is good or not than a straw poll by the academy of motion picture arts and sciences. One is an ideologically tainted closed loop (ie the Obama/ Biden brain trust) and the other is crowd sourced, cold truth.


Regardless, it appears Navarro was a poor choice, whatever decision making criteria was used in hiring him.
 
I think you're crossing your wires a bit. One's education/ credentials alone does not make them an elitist. It is an attitude problem, that comes from a belief that you can better plan someone's life than they can themselves. Elitist and "wonk" are nothing close to synonyms.

My comment was more akin to the idea that a Rotten Tomatoes crowd score is more likely to give you and idea of whether the movie is good or not than a straw poll by the academy of motion picture arts and sciences. One is an ideologically tainted closed loop (ie the Obama/ Biden brain trust) and the other is crowd sourced, cold truth.


Regardless, it appears Navarro was a poor choice, whatever decision making criteria was used in hiring him.
@mcmurtry66 always talks about pulling Congress members from a phone book.

I think we should do it with cabinet members (except the military, probably need real experience there).
 
@mcmurtry66 always talks about pulling Congress members from a phone book.

I think we should do it with cabinet members (except the military, probably need real experience there).
I don't mean to diminish credentials and experience entirely. I think McM's idea works better for congress as their power is more diluted and they are expected to be more responsive to the people than a Cabinet member who is expected to have a specific area of expertise and serve at the pleasure of the President. My point was simply that people with all the experience and credentials in the world can still (perhaps even more often?) fall victim to being closed off ideologically.
 
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I don't mean to diminish credentials and experience entirely. I think McM's idea works better for congress as their power is more diluted and they are expected to be more responsive to the people than a Cabinet member who is expected to have a specific area of expertise and serve at the pleasure of the President. My point was simply that people with all the experience and credentials in the world can still (perhaps even more often?) fall victim to being closed off ideologically.
Happens all too often in both corporate and public spheres. Victims of bureaucracy.

I guess cabinet members are far too often political paybacks instead of qualified people you've never heard of. Don't know how we get to the latter.
 
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Happens all too often in both corporate and public spheres. Victims of bureaucracy.

I guess cabinet members are far too often political paybacks instead of qualified people you've never heard of. Don't know how we get to the latter.
Having them actually show up for work would be an improvement. Stay at home pete now has covid. he'll be working remotely
 
I think you're crossing your wires a bit. One's education/ credentials alone does not make them an elitist. It is an attitude problem, that comes from a belief that you can better plan someone's life than they can themselves. Elitist and "wonk" are nothing close to synonyms.

My comment was more akin to the idea that a Rotten Tomatoes crowd score is more likely to give you and idea of whether the movie is good or not than a straw poll by the academy of motion picture arts and sciences. One is an ideologically tainted closed loop (ie the Obama/ Biden brain trust) and the other is crowd sourced, cold truth.


Regardless, it appears Navarro was a poor choice, whatever decision making criteria was used in hiring him.
If your dad gives enough money to a school to get you in, you are an elitist.
 
Like Danc said, by all accounts he had a major leadership role in the Abraham Accords. He also was a strong supporter and driver of the FIRST STEP act. His intuition on the seriousness of Covid was also correct imo.
Covid? Are you serious? Like the part where he wanted to only send tests to the red states? Or his secret testing plan he never let us in on? Were you impressed with his handling in helping cover up the murder of a journalist? I thought Kim Kardashian was the First Step Act, but I’ll give him an assist for that one. I’m not sure how successful the Abraham Accords actually was, but just like his father in law he failed at multiple businesses. How do you fail in real estate in New York? He couldn’t even get a security clearance without Trump intervening. Assume there was a reason for that, in addition to all the times he lied on his form. I don’t see much to like about Kushner. Ivanka might be smarter.
 
I wish they investigated everyone with the energy they waste trying to pin stuff on Trump. The hypocrisy is, they all wanted to be his buddy until he went up against queen hillary and the MSM told them they needed to hate him now. lol
He was harmless when he was just a clown everyone laughed at. He was the guy no one wanted to sit next to at the dinner party because if you were a female he hit on you and all he did was talk and brag about himself, No one had any idea how many rubes would vote for him. And join his cult.
 
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You think Kushner is sweet, relatable and empathetic? Have you ever heard him speak or seen him smile? He’s a robot. He didn’t seem too empathetic when he was helping cover up the dismemberment of a journalist or not caring about getting Covid help to blue states. He may be smart, don’t know about that. But sure don’t think h is any of those other things.
 
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