It's the lineup that will always haunt Hoosier Nation as the banner that got away, thanks to Ted Valentine's overzealous whistle and his distain for anything Bob Knight on the day the music died in Minneapolis.
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IU dismantled UCLA in the regional final and was doing the same vs Duke. Hurley's 3 pt shooting prevented it from being a 15 pt halftime deficit ....then the whistles started blowing...and blowing...and blowing. Next thing you know, almost every IU player had fouled out. Really should be one more banner form the 89-93 period.
yeah.....and right on cue....Willdog is suspiciously absent from this board again.
If Laettner hadn't hit "The Miracle Shot" against Kentucky, Hurley's three point barrage wouldn't have happened. That Hurley kid was a sharp thorn stuck in our side, much like the thorn found while stuck in farmland more north.
"If butt and the nutz the candy of Christmas..." paraphrased from Memorable Quotes of Bob Knight, third edition with apologies finding Pat and Timmy.
True...but those final 6 seconds, Mgbako/Goode..at least ONE of them, needed ro be on the floor. And it's like he didn't realize this until after he drew up final play.
Clown show
will take it one more step...I thought Laettner should have been tossed from the UK game when he chest stomped the player with his size 14. Then he wouldn't even have been on the court in the end to hit that shot.
The Valentine thing goes all the way back to the 3OT game in Madison back in 1987. Then the infamous motivational bull whip incident the week before the Duke game. Ted V had it in for RMK hard. No way he was letting IU win that game in 92.
Spread the floor, bringing out all players and let Myles "Blow-bye, bye" " Rice run with it. It's what he does best, getting to the basket before defense has time to react. Instead, the circus came to town and it had a clown. Forgetting to shake hands was only part of his act. Like Emmett Kelly, this clown is a sad clown, one who smiles down with frown. "Good afternoon, Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, Clown Woodson!" barks the ringmaster, the honorable Scottie Dolson. (getting nervous again)
Should have never called a timeout to begin with.
But Woody likes to "play" coach sometimes
that OT loss at OSU was painful...but was one helluva game to watch. I said 92...actually might have been 91....frosh Bailey scoring 32 pts, Jimmy Jackson vs Calbert.
That 3 OT game you speak of, the one won? It seems like 5 OT as years grow. If this is truly the one, Wisconsin players were later each given commemorative plaques for their all-out ballsy effort to win that night. For Badger fans, it was one of those dreaded "barnburning gut-wrenchers" one never forgets. I watched it on TV. It started late and ended later. I was fortunate to not have to work the next day. I think it was Tuesday night which would make more sense. Losing a game like that, like they did and we did yesterday, it can't be healthy. No plaques of commendation this time of chaos.
I also fuzzily remember a famous game in AH with Wisconsin. They beat us at home, ending their string of futility against us at something like 34 games. IU's Frank Wilson failed to get the ball inbounds underneath our own basket, leading immediately to the Badger victory. Frank caught a lot of fan frustration for that act he committed, or lack thereof, acting like I should have, failing miserably. He's since been forgiven and has gone on to lead a productive life of benefit to society, as I imagine one day we will, too, in forgiveness give to Galloway, doing so that he may do, too, that one day, forth giving.
Since that has nothing to do about the belief of the superiority or inferiority of a race, I think you'd have been safe - not that more than 10% of people actually know the definition of racism, but whatever.
The word you and that 90% are looking for is "stereotype".
yep 3OT in Madison, winter of 87. Game ended after midnight. Game felt like was 5 hours long...was exhausting to watch.
To make long story short, a rookie ref named Ted Valentine made a critical call late in the game that favored IU. Later review shows he probably got it wrong. Valentine felt he gave the game to IU as a result. He sent an apology letter to coach Steve Yoder a few days later. That win eventually helped IU win the B1G and secure the 1 seed in Midwest...first two rounds in Indy, then Cincy, allowing IU to advance to Final 4 playing close to home, in front of mostly IU fans. My belief is that Valentine felt that his call helped RMK win that 3rd championship that year and he seemed to have it in for RMK and IU afterwards. The rest is history.
TV Teddy was a scumbag that shoulda been fired as soon as he first stepped on a court! Lost many games for IU! I think he was in on all the Tim Donahee betting nonsense too!
I faintly remember this. Was it a clutch Alford 3 where replay showed he had his foot on the arc, or am I combining memories?
Thank you for the history lesson. I learned something in that call for IU gone right, having been previously unknown. Ted Valentine got the last laugh and probably still has a lingering grin with a wryness of smile. That particular loss, in my mind having witnessed, ranks as #2 in all-time barn burning gut-wrenching games having lost (as gut-wrenchers always do). The first one (# 1) was while seated in Dayton's arena, watching IU vs Kentucky for the right to go to the Final Four in '75. Should have kept May on the bench with his cast and let Abernathy run with it. I believe a banner was lost with that lack of hindsight decision, a decision Bob later admitted to regret.
can't remember the details of the call. But how many refs send apology letters to coaches? Shows you how much it weighed on him...and how he could possibly be motivated to cleanse his conscience down the road. Kinda bizarre.
Did Faust jump from HS directly to college? No clue on all that history.
If so, it isn't a very good comp to the jump McCollum would be making to IU. Or any current college coach to IU, for that matter.
Yes, and Notre Dame officials were soon fraught with the sinking, "what-were-we-thinking' feeling. It remains a head-scratcher to this day and is often presented by example in Business Management Training Guides, typically in a chapter called, The Peter Principle of Vocational Ladder Climbing.
yep that's correct. I attended ND football camp the summer of 85 and Faust spoke to the entire camp. Was talking a big talk, they were gonna conquer the world the upcoming season. Little did he know... he and staff were all dead men walking.
I was at a lot of the games back then, watched every one of them as a rabid fan. One thing I notice when I watch those games now is when a mistake was made by IU it was such a huge deal. Every play mattered. Things have dropped off massively since then. Watch a Knight team back then and compare it to a Woody team now - TOTAL EMBARRASSMENT.
Well that's a pretty glaring example of the Peter Principle...but I would think not a great one to study. As that jump, the job itself, what it takes to be successful...despite the sport being the same, are soooo far a part from each other.
Some guys can do it...Bucky McMillan jumped straight from high school to college coaching. But jumping from high school, all the way to arguably the top coaching position in all of college sports...that's a bit much.
I think successfully leading a college program, at any level, mostly translates up to IU's level. Obviously there are different variables and dynamics that would be untested...but you're dealing with similar aged kids, you're recruiting, you're playing similar length schedules... Can you navigate boosters? Does your program relate to more elite level players? Those are probably the main differences.
Then we have rare college basketball head coaches having never played the game at that level. Tom Crean comes to mind, as does Gene Keady (Kansas football).
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