Another Indiana Mr Basketball will be playing for IU since TJD won the 2019 award. It was expected but well deserved. Congratulations to him.
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TJD named Mr Basketball
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TJD seems to be coming in with less hype and excitement than other 5 star Indiana Mr. Basketball recruits. That is a good thing. We should let them come in develop their game.
A coach I talked to last weekend that supports Illinois has seen him play a few times and spoke very highly about TJD. It pained him to say that.
It is a nice feeling to have a front court with size and some experience. It has been a while since the 4 and 5 positions were legitimately 2 deep
A coach I talked to last weekend that supports Illinois has seen him play a few times and spoke very highly about TJD. It pained him to say that.
It is a nice feeling to have a front court with size and some experience. It has been a while since the 4 and 5 positions were legitimately 2 deep
We've been told that 5 star Mr. Basketball types have no reason to come play for IU.
I guess the drama queens are wrong again.
I guess the drama queens are wrong again.
Agreed. How many years did we enter a season with really only 1 legit frontcourt player?
Or no front court players. Crean thought an unskilled player like Hanner with Hartman as the backup was a good option.
You can criticize CAM in a lot of areas, but I think most have to agree his recruiting and roster construction have been really good. One of the first times I recall that we should have legit depth at every position:
1: RP, DG
2: AD, DG, AF (LQ?)
3: JH, JS
4: TJD, RT
5: DD, JB
Quinnones could really help that roster next year. Sure you can criticize him for missing on Brooks, but I think most realize we're not going to get everyone. If I had a criticism in these areas it would have been not having more backup plans if Brooks didn't come, and to respond to possible transfers. He did good scrambling I think to get us involved with several guys, but I think it was foreseeable that we might not get KB and/or have transfers.
This team will get better when we have returning players able to play in their familiar roles. It is difficult to build experience and chemistry when a freshman classes are better than the returning talent and dominate the minutes.
We add TJD in a role left open from Juwan's graduation. He will join a starting unit with experience. I expect that to help him and anyone else that plays that position. Even Green at the 2 is important as a senior. Someone like Quinnones can gain minutes if he can understand as a freshman what Green hasn't figured out.
That is a good thing he is not hyped up and hopefully a three year player. I have only seen him play of you tube highlights so I have no idea how good he is but hopefully a three year guy.
This roster is very mediocre. Crean had better rosters probably 5 of his last 6 years if we’re being realistic.
so when IU wins next year, with this roster of mediocre players, I assume you will admit that Archie can coach 'em up? Is everything in your world so negative? Are you ever happy, unless you are bitching and complaining and demeaning? You must be a lonely old curmudgeon.
There’s literally nothing to get excited about for next year.
We’ll be ranked 8-11th in the Big Ten preseason and everyone will throw a fit that the voters are biased and out to get us. Then we’ll likely finish there and end up in the NIT again. At best we sneak into the tournament as a low seed.
Have we not seen this movie enough already? Nothing is going to change until we find the right coach.
I like the program that Archie is building. IU will continue to improve, as the roster makeup shows that there is actually a long-term plan for success. IU has the right coach.
Of course you don't. You don't because you don't want to. Let me help you:
-How about 15-16... a freshman in Thomas Bryant... and? Freshman Juwan Morgan? Soph Troy Williams? Who are you counting as another frontcourt player?
-14-15 with Perea and Hartman? Of course we did have Jeremiah April and Tim Priller on that roster... so... yeah!
-13-14: Vonleh, and??? Freshman transfer Luke Fischer? Sophs Perea or Peter Jurkin?
-12-13: Zeller and? Better if you count Watford as a PF, but he did have the 2nd most 3 attempts on the team. At least he could legit guard the other teams 4... so maybe 1.5 post players? Still no depth.
-10-11: Elston and Pritchard, Watford (see above) and??? Little depth and poor post talent.
Look at those frontcourts and compare with 5 star TJD, top 40 and senior DD, around 100 ranked JB and top 100 RT. You are so unrealistic in your evaluations and "logic", it's a joke. Someone else is right: why do I even respond? No more. Consider yourself ignored.
When this was happening to Illinois and Groce we all pointed and laughed.
It’s unbelievable how fans can convince themselves of beliefs based purely on blind hope.
Good luck to you.
JB couldn’t even start for Butler. And RT couldn’t see the floor last year for our NIT team. Davis is what he is and TJD has never played a college game. Im sure they’re good kids and I wish them well but that’s below average Big Ten quality.
Yet you’re criticizing former players who are in the NBA and scoffing at the fact that these PROFESSIONALS might be better than our roster of backups.
Feel free to come back and visit us on Earth sometime.
Think you’re extremely over-reacting.
Thompson couldn’t see the floor last year because he was unavailable being in concussion protocol for all but 6 games. Big difference in not being able to see the floor because you aren’t ready vs being physical unable to due to injury. Please don’t push that narrative.
Joey Brunk doesn’t need to be a starter. He needs to be able to give 15-20 mpg off the bench to spell Davis. Brunk is a very efficient scorer with a good offensive skill set. No reason to think he doesn’t average 6-8 ppg off the bench. IU severely lacked that kind of depth.
I don’t think there’s any question that Davis is a quality starter at the 5. One of the most efficient players in the B10 last year and his per 40 numbers have been extremely solid throughout his career. Barring injury, no reason not to think he doesn’t average double figures next year.
That brings us to TJD. He’s not going to be a 20-10 guy, but if you look at how other 5* freshman have fared recently in the B10, there’s no reason to think TJD can’t be in the same conversation. Guys like Jaren Jackson, Jalen Smith, Diamond Stone, Caleb Swanigan etc were all double figure scorers who averaged anywhere from 5-8 boards a game. No reason to think Trayce can’t enjoy the same success.
I’m confident in the two projected starters in Davis and TJD, but even higher on the rotation as a whole. IU was just demoralized with front court injuries last year and forced guys to either play out of position or play before they were ready.
We need another wing player. Right now we are extremely thin and inexperianced at the position. Archie needs to land Quinnones or a high level grad player who can play the wing. I agree with you on all the other positions.
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All I have heard is that he isn't a one and done. I'll pencil him in for at least 2 years and look at year 3 and 4 as a bonus. We have an expectation of what a 5 star can deliver.
I would be curious who he will be comparable to. Alan Henderson? That would be great. Alan was about the same size and about equally heralded. Cody was a little bigger and had a 3 point shot coming in (didn't use it at IU).
Man, another Henderson would be great, but I'm not going to put those expectations on him... because Henderson was so solid as a freshman, as was Zeller. It's great that he'll get to play with DD, but jeez, do we need shooters.
If I was Quinnones, I'd be salivating with this roster. Come in and work hard and he could easily earn a starting spot and be (one of) our primary shooter(s). If Hunter can come back and hit outside, I think we'll be better than many on here, because I expect RP, DG and AD to all improve, but LQ is the only guy of that bunch who really has the reputation as a good outside shooter.
Hunter is the best option at the 3 with a 3rd guard or Smith as a possibility. Smith would have to show he can shoot and handle the ball better to be a viable option. He has the athleticism for the position. He needs to move in that direction if he wants to play in 2019.
I could see Archie focusing on guards with length that could play both the 2 and 3.
My expectations of freshmen, except the Romeo level freshmen, is that they need to be really good in several areas to beat out a senior or experienced junior player. Green has his flaws, but so do most freshmen on both ends of the court. Green will have to really screw up to not start through the first 10 games
This isn't what we want to hear, but it is what I expect to happen
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Hahahaha you’re wrong and still worked in your douchey style, ya f****** idiot.
It depends on a number of things:
1.) Limitation of distractions that caused their slide this past year, including injuries and chemistry issues.
2.) How much improvement the returning players show
3.) How good the freshmen are
4.) Whether Hunter plays and whether he is a potential 8-10ppg scorer for this team.
5.) Leadership: who or will someone step up to lead the team on the court?
6.) DeRon Davis' fitness level and dtermination to succeed.
7.) Lastly, any potential distractions that may come for Archie Miller, in particular having to deal with any fallout that may surround his brother's fate. Depending on what happens, that could be a big problem for Archie's focus.
I agree with what you are saying, but I think for a kid like Quinnones, the opportunity to start is there with IU, IF he comes in and picks up on D, etc... where it might not ordinarily be with other programs. I also agree an upperclassmen will be our starting 2 at the beginning of the year, but I tend to think it will be Al Durham, with the level of improvement he showed last year.
Beilein was a proven winner and went 21-14 his 2nd year at Michigan. And they made the tournament. In fact they even won a game in the tournament.
Pack a lunch buddy. You’re getting wore out on here with the facts.
Yes, but also in that second year he went 9-9 in the B1G for a 7th place finish...so I can see why you'd leave that part out. And then in year 3 he went 7-11 in conference and missed post-season play entirely. Then followed that up with another crowd pleasing 9-9 conference record in his 4th season in Ann Arbor before getting things rolling.
So STFU, "buddy". Your shtick is beyond old.
Proven winner? Beilein had been to the NCAA just 4 times as a D1 head coach in 15 years and that's with a stop in a power conference before taking the Michigan job. Hell he only reached the D2 tournament one time in 9 years at Le Moyne before jumping to the D1 ranks. You would have ran him off at Michigan long before he ever sniffed real success, let's be real.
Archie Miller received an at-large bid 4 times in 6 years at mid-major before coming to IU.
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All good points, but you fail to mention coaching. It must improve. The poor start to games is as much on the coaches as the players. A poorly designed offense, with the lack of movement, screening, and poor fundamentals is on the coaches. Is Archie the motivator, communicator, and leader good teams require? This upcoming season will tell us a lot because it isn’t an overly talented team so the coaching and leadership needs to get the guys playing together and with purpose and passion to play beyond their level of physical talent.
An honest question. Do you really want a John Beilein level coach at IU? In his 12 years at Michigan he has only won 2 Big Titles, still hasn't won a national title, and has a 65% winning percentage.
He also only has two National Runner-Up finishes, an Elite Eight and two Sweet Sixteens in that time frame as well. Don't leave those out. Obviously Indiana strives for Championships. But given the results of the last 20 years or so of Indiana Basketball, that doesn't look too shabby. And I consider his name being mentioned around here more as an example of it taking a little bit of time to get things going as opposed to his overall results (which again, aren't too bad).
I think he is a good coach. I was just curious if people are to a point where they would choose a coach with his type of success. I'm not there yet, but if we shuffle through a couple more coaches, I might sign up for it.
Again, he made the tournament in year 2 and was a proven coach before Michigan.
How was he a proven coach before Michigan? He made the tournament 4 times in 15 years between Canisius, Richmond, and West Virginia and only made the D2 tournament 1 time in 9 years at Le Moyne.
He was 31-36 after 2 years at Michigan and and 14-24 in the B10, both worse than Archie. He then followed that up with a 15-17 record in year 3. You're just talking out of your ass, what is your problem?
