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That sound you hear is Arizona going blue. Two Senators from the Democratic Party and EC votes for the Dem nominee for POTUS in 2020.
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Wow another thread you copied off me, but hey it’s okay, it’s your heritage.
First of all these tariffs are stupid. Secondly, we need to be looking into immigration reform.
One, of many issues, is the awarding of green cards. The number of green cards that can be awarded is generally limited by law and is split into various categories and preferences. A breakdown can be found at DHS website.
Agreer, but what's the relation to tariffs?
Fyi, take a look at the Lautenberg Amendment. It's a legal asylum sham that puts what's happening on the Southern border to shame. Many of the folks pouring in on the south appear destitute.
With the Lautenberg, you've got folks who are essentially losers and do nothings in their home states who merely claim they are religious and are given a one way pass to this country with government provided assistance to boot. Its a total outrage.
People claim they are persecuted Christians in places like Russia, Ukraine, and Moldova and pour in by the thousands. It's made up. It's a common scheme amongst Iranians as well. Folks who never followed religion suddenly claim to be god fearing Christians. All on our dime.
You don't have to provide a single document of evidence. You literally make a claim of religious faith and you pass go. Can't make this up.
No relation to tariffs.
There are a lot of different elements that need improved with regards to immigration. Asylum claims are one.
In 2016, only between 11 and 12 percent of green cards went to immigrants for employment reasons. Also by law, no more than 7 percent of green cards can be awarded to citizens of any one country.
That's incorrect. Depends on the category.
Imo, there are plenty of greencards, the question is how to best divide them. I'd start by raising the requirements for diversity visas if not eliminating them entirely.
One thing that people on both sides of the aisle seem to agree on is that higher-skilled and more-educated immigrants bring greater economic benefits due to entrepreneurship and innovation than lower-skilled or less-educated immigrants bring.
Maybe, but it sure seems to me that there's a lot of lower paying jobs that need filled as opposed to higher skilled. Have you seen who is working in the fields?
This is an example of beaucratic nonsense that will not only slow visa issuance to a halt, but is a complete waste of taxpayer resources.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...-visa-applicants-for-social-media-information
1. People who are actually posting terrorist crap on their social media accounts aren't going to volunteer that information... or they will simply wipe it clean.
2. To check every single visa applicants social media account would be a resource nightmare. I can't even imagine the cost and delays associated with such nonsense.
This administration is trying to slow immigrant visas to a crawl through bureaucratic BS, solely for the purpose of slowing it to a crawl and not to protect the American public. They are doing the same shit with US citizenship. The number of applicants has decreased, while the processing times have more than doubled. They are requiring case officers to check and recheck and check again the applicants prior applications for US visas. Again, a huge waste of resources with no obvious benefit. It's entire purpose is to slow down the system to a crawl.
I'm so disgusted with this admin who prefers to reward illegal immigrants, while punishing legal immigrants doing everything by the book.
Yes.
Even if we look at Canada, they have pursued reforms to "focus its immigration system on fueling economic prosperity and to place a high priority on finding people who have the skills and experience to meet Canada's economic needs (2006). And since 2008, Canada has been "tightening its immigration policies and focusing on economic class immigrants and short-term labor needs." According to the Canadian government, they awarded 26 percent of their permanent resident visas on the basis of family connections and 52 percent to immigrants on an economic basis in 2016. So merit-based would not be a new idea.
I've posted before that H1-B software engineers are paid 10% less than their American counterparts.
I've also seen first hand what the tech labor market is like. It's brutally competitive.
Btw, the right wing immigration groups will claim that if only farms raised wages that Americans will work those jobs... they ignore what happens to food prices if a picker is getting $50 per hour.
I've been to the fields. It's back breaking work. Americans by and large aren't signing up for that. Nor are those the jobs of the future, which we should be encouraging Americans toward.
I'd speculate that many working on those fields are being paid under the table and lack documents. Probably they aren't treated the best. Why not give them all renewable work permits that do not provide a pathway to permanent residency. The vast majority want to earn some money and return home. Legalize them, treat them fairly, and pay them a fair wage.
Imo, there are 3 groups in the immigration debate...
1. Racists... they will usually claim to be in favor of "merit" immiration, except that they themselves would not even meet the criteria, which merely a nuclear physicist could meet.
2. Big business... many pols are controlled by them. The more people the better.
3. Humanists (ill call them that)
They have good intentions... they want to allow everyone in. In theory, i agree with them that you should not be punished due to where you were born, but i feel that we have to take a sustainable approach and that the best way to help the impoverished is by getting our own house in order, in addition to supporting countries via aid and other policy measures.
One immediate step i would take is that all permanent resident applicants must be proficient in English. This does not require formal testing. Let the consular officers have a conversation with them.
If not proficient in English, they must take mandatory English language courses paid for by the American tax payer after arrival. (This would only apply to family immigration)
I would not allow any employer based permanent resident application for someone who is not proficient in English unless they were a Japanese chef or something of that nature.
Btw, this admin has taken an American LAST approach to immigration.
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Title 8, section 1152 United States Code: Per country levels for family-sponsored and employment-based immigrants
The total number of immigrant visas made available to natives of any single foreign state or dependent area in any fiscal year may not exceed 7 percent (in the case of a single foreign state) or 2 percent (in the case of a dependent area) of the total number of such visas made available in that fiscal year.
The limit of 7 percent per country on green cards is a problem.
I disagree that its a problem. In fact, I think its a very good thing, specifically in the case of the employment ones. Otherwise, those visas will be dominated by 1-2 countries.
Does not apply to immediate relative categories.
The policy ignores both the value of and the justification for individual immigrants coming here exclusively because of their country of origin, and the result is clearly discriminatory.
Another problem is the visa lottery program, which awards 50,000 visas per year.
According to DHS, they are drawn from a "random selection among all entries to individuals who are from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States."
So what?
What happens in the real world is that people from certain places hire other people from the same places. See the dominance of the Indian IT consultancies re: H1Bs.
Or do you think the "experts" being trained by the Americans they are replacing are actually the best in the world?
Yea, i don't care for the current design of diversity program personally. The standards are way too low.
Wrt family categories... i disagree with the 7% cap, however many of the family categories should be eliminated entirely imo.
Another issue is all the applications for relief that are being filed where they don't really have a legitimate case. It has overloaded the immigration courts.
Practically speaking, there is no downside for an alien not filing an application for relief regardless of the lack of facts or support by relevant law. Everyone involved knows that if the alien expresses any sort of harm, the immigration judge has to provide them an application for relief, grant a continuance for them to file the application, and then schedule an individual hearing and prepare a detailed oral of written decision if the application is denied.
The GOP had majorities and did nothing with them. They are entirely unserious about fixing the immigration system, as is Trump.
Did the GOP have 60 votes in the Senate?
Did the Democratic Party have majorities in both chambers of Congress and have 60 votes in the Senate during the Obama administration?
Given the common practice by the DHS not to appeal discretionary decisions favorable to the alien to the BIA, many immigration judges apparently grant relief from removal to avoid the considerable time required to prepare an oral or written decision.
In Iqbal v. Ashcroft, SCOTUS established a workable standard for federal judges to adjudicate motions to dismiss for failure to state a claim for relief under Federal Rule 12(b)(6).
It would seem that this standard could be used to help with backlog of the immigration courts.
Probably a question for one of our lawyers
So, what have the tariffs accomplished, except for tanking my Chinese holdings? Fortunately, I did not, or is it could not?, buy Huawei.
If a typical state court judge were required to issue the same degree of precision, either orally or in writing, in every case and for any request by the parties, as is currently the practice in immigration courts, their docket would be at a virtual standstill.
I'm guessing the Iqbal standard did not stand.
How will your nominee pay for it?
Something to keep an eye on. DOD has been looking at our smelters. They are finally acknowledging that China is a threat. They were here all this week. They are asking the questions “can we go it alone”. That answer is probably not.
Noticing that @sglowrider has been absent around here. He should come back as his contributions were worthy.
Interesting look at an old thread. It seems like my prediction of a Democratic win across the board in Arizona was a good one. It's also funny to see a thread with zero participation from McM. He must have been employed back in 2019.
She’s a good candidate for a person who asks other posters for money and gets pegged. Not for normal people. You’re not normal people
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We have people from places in Africa and China coming through our Southern Border. How did they get over here? What is the purpose for them being here? I would like to see us charge their country of origin. Those people got here in some way. It smells of collusion.
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