The SOB truly doesn’t know the difference between an illegal immigrant and a refugee

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

I’ve avoided posting here since the election because a conservative who detest Trumpism wasn’t exactly met with open arms, but that prick is truly an evil human with zero compassion for the human race. F Trump and all his minions. Evil is evil no matter what “politics” it hides under

 

[bailey777]

I’ve avoided posting here since the election because a conservative who detest Trumpism wasn’t exactly met with open arms, but that prick is truly an evil human with zero compassion for the human race. F Trump and all his minions. Evil is evil no matter what “politics” it hides under

You sound like alot of fun. Enjoy the next 4 years. Trump is just getting warmed up today.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

You sound like alot of fun. Enjoy the next 4 years. Trump is just getting warmed up today.

Well aware. Nobody likes executive orders until their guy issues executive orders. I’m not even sure the dumbass knows he’s trying to change the constitution with his birth citizenship promise…. You know, the same constitution he so dearly loves that he includes it in the $1000 signed Trump Bible.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

I’ve avoided posting here since the election because a conservative who detest Trumpism wasn’t exactly met with open arms, but that prick is truly an evil human with zero compassion for the human race. F Trump and all his minions. Evil is evil no matter what “politics” it hides under

For his purposes, there is no difference. His base hates both of them equally.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Well aware. Nobody likes executive orders until their guy issues executive orders. I’m not even sure the dumbass knows he’s trying to change the constitution with his birth citizenship promise…. You know, the same constitution he so dearly loves that he includes it in the $1000 signed Trump Bible.

I seriously doubt he’s going to succeed with this. And I’m not saying he should.

However…

I once read the Congressional record from when this section of the 14A was being debated in Congress. And, based on that, there’s at least an argument to be made that the intent of the framers was not how it’s being applied here.

I’m not going to go hunt it down right now. Too busy watching Notre Dame get their asses kicked in the NC again.

But I’ll see if I can find it tomorrow. It’s actually very interesting.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

I seriously doubt he’s going to succeed with this. And I’m not saying he should.

However…

I once read the Congressional record from when this section of the 14A was being debated in Congress. And, based on that, there’s at least an argument to be made that the intent of the framers was not how it’s being applied here.

I’m not going to go hunt it down right now. Too busy watching Notre Dame get their asses kicked in the NC again.

But I’ll see if I can find it tomorrow. It’s actually very interesting.

I'll be interested if you can find this, because everything I've read suggests that both supporters and opponents of the amendment understood it to apply very liberally to virtually all children of aliens.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I'll be interested if you can find this, because everything I've read suggests that both supporters and opponents of the amendment understood it to apply very liberally to virtually all children of aliens.

One thing I do remember from the discourse was a question asked of the author about whether it would apply to Native Americans born on reservations. He answered that it would not.

That really caught my attention. Because I don’t even think that would cross our minds today.

But bear in mind the chronological context.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

One thing I do remember from the discourse was a question asked of the author about whether it would apply to Native Americans born on reservations. He answered that it would not.

That really caught my attention. Because I don’t even think that would cross our minds today.

But bear in mind the chronological context.

Oh, yeah, no one at the time thought NA's would be citizens under the 14th. The tribes were lesser nations, to be sure, but they were still nations in their own right, and the members were subject to their jurisdiction, not the USA's.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I’ve avoided posting here since the election because a conservative who detest Trumpism wasn’t exactly met with open arms, but that prick is truly an evil human with zero compassion for the human race. F Trump and all his minions. Evil is evil no matter what “politics” it hides under

Puhleese! Ever since the Biden brain trust treated “asylum seekers” like economic refugees, there has been little difference between the two.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Puhleese! Ever since the Biden brain trust treated “asylum seekers” like economic refugees, there has been little difference between the two.

You must be joking. Quit talking out of your ass. Refugee resettlement is a completely different animal than illegal immigration. Stop with the ignorant xenophobic BS. Asylum seekers ain’t refugee resettlement. Just stop

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I once read the Congressional record from when this section of the 14A was being debated in Congress. And, based on that, there’s at least an argument to be made that the intent of the framers was not how it’s being applied here.

Yes. Birthright citizenship is based upon a judicial opinion. The 14th was about offsprings of slaves.

Trump is teeing up the issue for the Supreme court.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Just stop

Okay.

 

[outside shooter]

Okay.

You agree to stop talking out of your ass? Some here may miss your posts.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You agree to stop talking out of your ass? Some here may miss your posts.

Meh. Many miss my posts whether or not they read them.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

For his purposes, there is no difference. His base hates both of them equally.

That’s not true. But what is true is that your side allows anybody and everybody (mostly military aged males) to “identify” as a refugee.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I'll be interested if you can find this, because everything I've read suggests that both supporters and opponents of the amendment understood it to apply very liberally to virtually all children of aliens.

No one cares. Way back in the day, they would have starved to death or been enslaved.

 

[Noodle]

Mr. Dumbass In Chief:

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I'll be interested if you can find this, because everything I've read suggests that both supporters and opponents of the amendment understood it to apply very liberally to virtually all children of aliens.

OK, game’s depressing. So I found it. It starts at the middle of page 43 of 401 of the document. It’s page 41 by the numbers printed at the bottom of the page.

A lot of discussion about the clause “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” specifically as it applies to Indians (which all debaters seem to agree would be excluded from the amendment’s definition of a citizen).

One Senator (Edgar Cowan) asks rhetorically early on: “Is the child of a Chinese immigrant in California a citizen?”

Food for thought.

Congressional debate on 14th Amendment

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

OK, game’s depressing. So I found it. It starts at the middle of page 43 of 401 of the document. It’s page 41 by the numbers printed at the bottom of the page.

A lot of discussion about the clause “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” specifically as it applies to Indians (which all debaters seem to agree would be excluded from the amendment’s definition of a citizen).

One Senator (Edgar Cowan) asks rhetorically early on: “Is the child of a Chinese immigrant in California a citizen?”

Food for thought.

Congressional debate on 14th Amendment

Yes, a citizen of Chyna...
Bye Felicia-san..

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

You must be joking. Quit talking out of your ass. Refugee resettlement is a completely different animal than illegal immigration. Stop with the ignorant xenophobic BS. Asylum seekers ain’t refugee resettlement. Just stop

Distinction without a difference.