The reality of NIL...

[Mas-sa-suta]

..does not bode well for IU.

Recent signings, the prices paid, and reality can be troubling...
One table I saw had O$U at nearly $22Million NIL, IU at $13Million. I also saw that the BB program spend was nearly half of IU's NIL, $6Million.
If accurate, the balance of IU's
NIL would be $7Million. If O$U spend on BB was the same as IU, $6M, the balance would be $16 Million for football...and it's likely higher.
Meanwhile, B. Underwood, who flipped from LSU to Meatchicken, is set to earn $2.5 to $3million per year, nearly half IU's NIL.
Reality bites sometimes.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

..does not bode well for IU.

Recent signings, the prices paid, and reality can be troubling...
One table I saw had O$U at nearly $22Million NIL, IU at $13Million. I also saw that the BB program spend was nearly half of IU's NIL, $6Million.
If accurate, the balance of IU's
NIL would be $7Million. If O$U spend on BB was the same as IU, $6M, the balance would be $16 Million for football...and it's likely higher.
Meanwhile, B. Underwood, who flipped from LSU to Meatchicken, is set to earn $2.5 to $3million per year, nearly half IU's NIL.
Reality bites sometimes.

….does not bode well for 95% of college football. There are a lot of P4 schools in much worse shape than IU. Only a select few schools are able to spend at the level of OSU or Michigan.
They should honestly freeze or reduce the bball spend at the university until they can get a leader in here whose return on investment is measured in wins, not cigars and wine.

 

[zeke4ahs]

..does not bode well for IU.

Recent signings, the prices paid, and reality can be troubling...
One table I saw had O$U at nearly $22Million NIL, IU at $13Million. I also saw that the BB program spend was nearly half of IU's NIL, $6Million.
If accurate, the balance of IU's
NIL would be $7Million. If O$U spend on BB was the same as IU, $6M, the balance would be $16 Million for football...and it's likely higher.
Meanwhile, B. Underwood, who flipped from LSU to Meatchicken, is set to earn $2.5 to $3million per year, nearly half IU's NIL.
Reality bites sometimes.

You think IU doesn’t up it’s NIL next year? I imagine that’s part of the deal and something Dolson, Cig, and major donors all know.

 

[alanh13]

1/2 of the $4M IU received from the bowl game will go to NIL for football

 

[Crossblock]

The other problem with NIL is it is going to end up like Salary Cap in other sports. If You give an incoming QB a $10 million deal, but don't have the money to spread around to provide Him with a quality Offensive Line and Skill Players, what have You accomplished? In addition, Coaches and Athletic Directors will be judged on their effective spending of NIL Money in addition to Won Loss Records, Attendance and related revenue. This is why several long time Coaches have quit, They signed up to be Football Coaches, Not Professional General Managers playing some form of Moneyball.

 

[Bucket Getter]

1/2 of the $4M IU received from the bowl game will go to NIL for football

What bowl game is that?

 

[YOTHN]

1/2 of the $4M IU received from the bowl game will go to NIL for football

That money goes to the conference, and then split.

 

[BoilerN]

The other problem with NIL is it is going to end up like Salary Cap in other sports. If You give an incoming QB a $10 million deal, but don't have the money to spread around to provide Him with a quality Offensive Line and Skill Players, what have You accomplished? In addition, Coaches and Athletic Directors will be judged on their effective spending of NIL Money in addition to Won Loss Records, Attendance and related revenue. This is why several long time Coaches have quit, They signed up to be Football Coaches, Not Professional General Managers playing some form of Moneyball.

I’ll be curious to see if these deals are still a think once revenue sharing starts. Supposedly they are making an NIL clearinghouse that is going to approve all deals. We keep seeing these massive deals this year. I wonder if it is to clean out the collectives prior to the clearinghouse becoming a thing.

 

[Tammany Hall]

I’ll be curious to see if these deals are still a think once revenue sharing starts. Supposedly they are making an NIL clearinghouse that is going to approve all deals. We keep seeing these massive deals this year. I wonder if it is to clean out the collectives prior to the clearinghouse becoming a thing.

The players won’t like this, they would make much less. They may even take legal action if this happened.

The big programs that control CFB won’t like this, they would lose an important advantage.

Therefore, very unlikely to happen.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

I’ll be curious to see if these deals are still a think once revenue sharing starts. Supposedly they are making an NIL clearinghouse that is going to approve all deals. We keep seeing these massive deals this year. I wonder if it is to clean out the collectives prior to the clearinghouse becoming a thing.

Lmao.

 

[BoilerN]

The players won’t like this, they would make much less. They may even take legal action if this happened.

The big programs that control CFB won’t like this, they would lose an important advantage.

Therefore, very unlikely to happen.

It sure looks like it is going to happen based on what I’ve read. There will be a guard rail put on this in some capacity, which will limit earnings. There are guardrails on every sport besides MLB and NCAA and no legal action is taken.

 

[Tammany Hall]

It sure looks like it is going to happen based on what I’ve read. There will be a guard rail put on this in some capacity, which will limit earnings. There are guardrails on every sport besides MLB and NCAA and no legal action is taken.

Players won't like losing millions of dollars and the mega programs that control the sport won't like losing their advantage. And in case you didn't notice, there has been a lot of legal action in college sports in recent years.

You can wish it happens and read random articles, but the economic incentives to keep NIL in place as it is are overwhelming. The weakened NCAA won't be able to materially stop the flow of money to players. Look, technically it would help IU, but it's very low probability. Maybe something is put in place, but I doubt it materially changes anything.

 

[BoilerN]

Players won't like losing millions of dollars and the mega programs that control the sport won't like losing their advantage. And in case you didn't notice, there has been a lot of legal action in college sports in recent years.

You can wish it happens and read random articles, but the economic incentives to keep NIL in place as it is are overwhelming. The weakened NCAA won't be able to materially stop the flow of money to players. Look, technically it would help IU, but it's very low probability. Maybe something is put in place, but I doubt it materially changes anything.

So to confirm, you don’t think the house v ncaa gets final approval, despite receiving initial approval?

 

[Tammany Hall]

So to confirm, you don’t think the house v ncaa gets final approval, despite receiving initial approval?

There has been a prelim approval and language is still be amended prior to whatever is final. I don't know exactly what the final language will look like, but I do know what to expect in terms of how it works in the real world.

This possible clearinghouse, which I guess is separate from the NCAA, doesn't stand a chance. If they start trying to deny NIL deals, there will be lawsuits and lawmaker involvement all over the place. There are already many states with laws prohibiting capping NIL, in addition to other labor laws on the books.

In the end, it's basically impossible to stop people from making money. This is the reality.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

So to confirm, you don’t think the house v ncaa gets final approval, despite receiving initial approval?

Stopping NIL has zero chance of happening unless it’s collectively bargained which can only be done with a union and a union is made up of employees.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Stopping NIL has zero chance of happening unless it’s collectively bargained which can only be done with a union and a union is made up of employees.

He's just hoping this is the solution to the crap NIL situation up at the sheep barn on the Wabash.

 

[BoilerN]

There has been a prelim approval and language is still be amended prior to whatever is final. I don't know exactly what the final language will look like, but I do know what to expect in terms of how it works in the real world.

This possible clearinghouse, which I guess is separate from the NCAA, doesn't stand a chance. If they start trying to deny NIL deals, there will be lawsuits and lawmaker involvement all over the place. There are already many states with laws prohibiting capping NIL, in addition to other labor laws on the books.

In the end, it's basically impossible to stop people from making money. This is the reality.

They aren’t trying to cap NIL though. At least that’s not my understanding. They are just trying to regulate it so that these deals actually meet the standard of what NIL is. And then pay for play comes from the university. I think we can both agree that what NIL is vs what it is being used for is different. Maybe not?

 

[BoilerN]

Stopping NIL has zero chance of happening unless it’s collectively bargained which can only be done with a union and a union is made up of employees.

My understanding is they aren’t stopping it. Just regulating it so it is used how it is supposed to be used.

 

[BoilerN]

He's just hoping this is the solution to the crap NIL situation up at the sheep barn on the Wabash.

This has nothing to do with Purdue. Don’t bring them up and derail the thread.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

My understanding is they aren’t stopping it. Just regulating it so it is used how it is supposed to be used.

Who’s they? Oh you mean the NCAA. Lmao. They have been proven powerless. Will be easy to manipulate the “clearinghouse”.

 

[BoilerN]

Who’s they? Oh you mean the NCAA. Lmao. They have been proven powerless. Will be easy to manipulate the “clearinghouse”.

The ncaa isn’t doing any of this. It is separate of the ncaa, so probably actually gets done. Otherwise, I’d agree.

 

[Tammany Hall]

They aren’t trying to cap NIL though. At least that’s not my understanding. They are just trying to regulate it so that these deals actually meet the standard of what NIL is. And then pay for play comes from the university. I think we can both agree that what NIL is vs what it is being used for is different. Maybe not?

NIL is 95%+ pay for play, but that's irrelevant.

If some clearinghouse is rejecting NIL deals, they're capping NIL to some extent. Period. And there is no effing way they're going to be able to deny players millions in compensation. It's against the law(s) in many states already, and many of these laws are explicit regarding NIL. When existing laws, lawmakers, players and their lawyers, and influential schools and their lawyers, all want NIL to continue as is, it's not hard to predict what happens next.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

The ncaa isn’t doing any of this. It is separate of the ncaa, so probably actually gets done. Otherwise, I’d agree.

Who is they? Who will police it? No way this goes through.

 

[hookyIU1990]

This has nothing to do with Purdue. Don’t bring them up and derail the thread.

It has everything to do with purdoo. That's why you're over here talking about it, hoping against hope that NIL is capped or goes away completely.

You're still way behind the curve and can't catch up.

 

[HurryingHoosiers]

They aren’t trying to cap NIL though. At least that’s not my understanding. They are just trying to regulate it so that these deals actually meet the standard of what NIL is. And then pay for play comes from the university. I think we can both agree that what NIL is vs what it is being used for is different. Maybe not?

The issue is that it would be very difficult to control and prevent abuse. Knowing something is happening and proving it are sometimes very different animals.

 

[Tammany Hall]

Who is they? Who will police it? No way this goes through.

Yea, I doubt this has any teeth in the end. Even if it did and this clearinghouse tried to deny an NIL deal Bama, UGA, TN, OSU, UM, etc. wanted to do, the clearinghouse will get 100% completely bulldozed by the schools, players, conferences, lawmakers, and judges.

 

[kmathum]

Stopping NIL has zero chance of happening unless it’s collectively bargained which can only be done with a union and a union is made up of employees.

the players should form a union, sit down at the bargaining table with the conferences, and work out a structure. the present system is unfeasible.

 

[HurryingHoosiers]

the players should form a union, sit down at the bargaining table with the conferences, and work out a structure. the present system is unfeasible.

what would players get out of helping end their current setup?

They got it made.

 

[BoilerN]

NIL is 95%+ pay for play, but that's irrelevant.

If some clearinghouse is rejecting NIL deals, they're capping NIL to some extent. Period. And there is no effing way they're going to be able to deny players millions in compensation. It's against the law(s) in many states already, and many of these laws are explicit regarding NIL. When existing laws, lawmakers, players and their lawyers, and influential schools and their lawyers, all want NIL to continue as is, it's not hard to predict what happens next.

Then why is the conversation being had? They wouldn’t be denying players money. The deals would just need to be structured to meet the criteria of an NIL deal.

 

[BoilerN]

Who is they? Who will police it? No way this goes through.

The 3rd party. I’m not sure who said 3rd party is as I haven’t read up enough to know that. But I know it’s not the ncaa.

 

[BoilerN]

It has everything to do with purdoo. That's why you're over here talking about it, hoping against hope that NIL is capped or goes away completely.

You're still way behind the curve and can't catch up.

You are the only one to mention Purdue in this thread. Purdue will be fine with NIL and revenue sharing. Stop derailing this thread with Purdue talk.

 

[BoilerN]

the players should form a union, sit down at the bargaining table with the conferences, and work out a structure. the present system is unfeasible.

Why do they need to form a union and bargain? Revenue sharing is coming. They are going to get paid by the university. IMO, they should also sign contracts. So can get a two year deal to make x amount in revenue sharing.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Why do they need to form a union and bargain? Revenue sharing is coming. They are going to get paid by the university. IMO, they should also sign contracts. So can get a two year deal to make x amount in revenue sharing.

They already do sign contracts. Once the NIL contract gets done they are locked in for a semester. They have to show up to class.

 

[Bligedy]

Players won't like losing millions of dollars and the mega programs that control the sport won't like losing their advantage. And in case you didn't notice, there has been a lot of legal action in college sports in recent years.

You can wish it happens and read random articles, but the economic incentives to keep NIL in place as it is are overwhelming. The weakened NCAA won't be able to materially stop the flow of money to players. Look, technically it would help IU, but it's very low probability. Maybe something is put in place, but I doubt it materially changes anything.

He's not saying it will go away, just that it will be different. Material changes are already coming. The simple fact that schools will have 20 million dollars to pay athletes directly is a historic material change.

 

[kmathum]

Why do they need to form a union and bargain? Revenue sharing is coming. They are going to get paid by the university. IMO, they should also sign contracts. So can get a two year deal to make x amount in revenue sharing.

is there going to be a cap? is everyone going to adhere to it? are all qbs paid the same? are linemen going to make as much? how are smaller budget schools going to compete. there's a great deal to work out.

 

[Tammany Hall]

They wouldn’t be denying players money. The deals would just need to be structured to meet the criteria of an NIL deal.

You literally just typed in an earlier post: "There will be a guard rail put on this in some capacity, which will limit earnings."

These pay for play NIL deals aren't going away. You can believe whatever you want.

 

[Hoosiers Rising]

This has nothing to do with Purdue. Don’t bring them up and derail the thread.

Your username derails the thread.

 

[IndyResident16]

I’ll be curious to see if these deals are still a think once revenue sharing starts. Supposedly they are making an NIL clearinghouse that is going to approve all deals. We keep seeing these massive deals this year. I wonder if it is to clean out the collectives prior to the clearinghouse becoming a thing.

Collectives aren’t going anywhere. It’s a desperate plea by the NCAA to try and curtail the mess they’ve created but they’ve lost every landmark court case since the Supreme Court ruled their “amateur” model violated anti-trust laws for nearly a century.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

Why do they need to form a union and bargain? Revenue sharing is coming. They are going to get paid by the university. IMO, they should also sign contracts. So can get a two year deal to make x amount in revenue sharing.

PUke your best option is to become a marketing specialist selling manure. Oh, you should move on as IU folks aren't prospective purchasers.

 

[Spartans9312]

They already do sign contracts. Once the NIL contract gets done they are locked in for a semester. They have to show up to class.

We probably need to see at a minimum…multi-year contracts or sit out a year after transferring.