Then Seattle gets classy with the brawl. The NFL is going downhill fast.
Pitchers and catchers report in 3 weeks. Can't wait.
Pitchers and catchers report in 3 weeks. Can't wait.
The dumbest call in the history of football
- Thread starter CO. Hoosier
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Hope you're not surprised.
This was a fitting ending to a horrible season.
Having Bob Kraft appear on television drunk as a skunk - twice! - was the icing on the cake.
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This was a fitting ending to a horrible season.
Having Bob Kraft appear on television drunk as a skunk - twice! - was the icing on the cake.
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Re: the irony
I remember a football game where an IU coach tried to run the ball in 4 times inside the 3 yard line and did not make it. He now works for the Big Ten network. He caught a ton of hell for that because he didn't pass. This coach is catching hell for passing.There are thousands of Mon. morning QBs out there. LOL
I remember a football game where an IU coach tried to run the ball in 4 times inside the 3 yard line and did not make it. He now works for the Big Ten network. He caught a ton of hell for that because he didn't pass. This coach is catching hell for passing.There are thousands of Mon. morning QBs out there. LOL
Of course that coach probably didn't
have Marshawn Lynch in the backfield. Or a QB that can run like Wilson. And if he had thrown the ball he might have gone to the deep corner.
Just saying, but when everyone in the country becomes a Monday morning quarterback someone may have a point.
have Marshawn Lynch in the backfield. Or a QB that can run like Wilson. And if he had thrown the ball he might have gone to the deep corner.
Just saying, but when everyone in the country becomes a Monday morning quarterback someone may have a point.
Three yards versus 1 yard is a significant difference plus
it was second down. I doubt anyone would fault the IU coach for trying to run it in on first and second down.
Seattle had picked up 4 yards running it on first down. It was worth taking at least one more shot on the ground.
it was second down. I doubt anyone would fault the IU coach for trying to run it in on first and second down.
Seattle had picked up 4 yards running it on first down. It was worth taking at least one more shot on the ground.
The thing is...
...it's a different situation for different teams.
If it had been the Colts down there -- with a strong passer under center and a suspect running game -- I think the call would've been understandable.
But Russell Wilson isn't Andrew Luck. And Marshawn Lynch isn't Trent Richardson.
The LAST thing you want to do in that situation is precisely what Seattle did: risk an interception. They'd have been better served to run it 4 times and get thwarted than to do what they did. If they have an inkling to try a pass, save it for 4th down.
...it's a different situation for different teams.
If it had been the Colts down there -- with a strong passer under center and a suspect running game -- I think the call would've been understandable.
But Russell Wilson isn't Andrew Luck. And Marshawn Lynch isn't Trent Richardson.
The LAST thing you want to do in that situation is precisely what Seattle did: risk an interception. They'd have been better served to run it 4 times and get thwarted than to do what they did. If they have an inkling to try a pass, save it for 4th down.
It was the type of pass play that was the problem...if you want to pass
there, then play fake to Beast and throw something up to that enormous receiver or your tight end. Or boot leg Wilson and let me make a throw to the corner that can't be intercepted or run it in. There was no reason to throw a quick slant there...the quick slant is a great play because it can break huge and is an easy pass. But it can also go very bad. Of the potential play calls in that situation, that one should have been WAY down on the list.
there, then play fake to Beast and throw something up to that enormous receiver or your tight end. Or boot leg Wilson and let me make a throw to the corner that can't be intercepted or run it in. There was no reason to throw a quick slant there...the quick slant is a great play because it can break huge and is an easy pass. But it can also go very bad. Of the potential play calls in that situation, that one should have been WAY down on the list.
Re I can hear the announcers
if had worked. "What a brilliant play call. The patriots were expecting the beast and the Seahawks crossed them up" I don't care one way or the other. I picked the patriots and they should have lost. Mon morning QB"S get under my skin.
if had worked. "What a brilliant play call. The patriots were expecting the beast and the Seahawks crossed them up" I don't care one way or the other. I picked the patriots and they should have lost. Mon morning QB"S get under my skin.
Exactly
If the offensive geniuses thought NE had to tough of a front for a smash mouth up the middle play, boot leg with option to run or pass was the obvious call. Wilson is a lot to handle out in the flat.
If the offensive geniuses thought NE had to tough of a front for a smash mouth up the middle play, boot leg with option to run or pass was the obvious call. Wilson is a lot to handle out in the flat.
Did the blown PI call make a difference?
Malcolm Butler, the same DB who made the pick to end the game, clearly tripped up Ricardo Lockette earlier in the 4th quarter....which led to a Seahawks punt....which led to a Pats go-ahead TD. No flag was thrown. But the replay made it clear one should've been. The contact did not appear to be incidental -- Butler was falling as he chased Lockette, then reached out and caught Lockette's foot.
This, understandably, isn't getting nearly as much attention this morning as the final plays. But it probably ought to be.
Malcolm Butler, the same DB who made the pick to end the game, clearly tripped up Ricardo Lockette earlier in the 4th quarter....which led to a Seahawks punt....which led to a Pats go-ahead TD. No flag was thrown. But the replay made it clear one should've been. The contact did not appear to be incidental -- Butler was falling as he chased Lockette, then reached out and caught Lockette's foot.
This, understandably, isn't getting nearly as much attention this morning as the final plays. But it probably ought to be.
On the other hand...
...I've seen it pointed out that Lynch carried the ball 5 times this season from the 1 yard line. On those 5 carries, only one went into the endzone.
Still, I agree with you. You've got 3 downs left from the 1. At least two of those three ought to be running plays. If not Lynch up the gut, then a bootleg with the ever elusive Wilson.
...I've seen it pointed out that Lynch carried the ball 5 times this season from the 1 yard line. On those 5 carries, only one went into the endzone.
Still, I agree with you. You've got 3 downs left from the 1. At least two of those three ought to be running plays. If not Lynch up the gut, then a bootleg with the ever elusive Wilson.
Clock management . . .
IIRC, Seattle wasted their last two time outs, one when the clock was running down prior to the pass to Lynch and one running up to the line after the pass to Kearse. With about 25 seconds left they had time for 3 pass plays or one - and ONLY one - running play. So in one sense it made sense to throw a pass or two before trying the run.
I agree with the other poster who said it was the type of pass that was the problem . . . they'd run it so many times over the year with success that Belichik had practiced that interception play over and over the last two weeks. I'd have let Wilson roll out right and either throw the corner fade or wait until the tight end cleared in the back center of the end zone . . . all the while checking to see if there was a hole to run it in himself. That approach takes away the precision interception play that Butler pulled off, spreads the defense and allows Wilson to use his athleticism to make a play against a more fluid (as opposed to stacked at the line) defense.
This post was edited on 2/2 1:04 PM by Sope Creek
IIRC, Seattle wasted their last two time outs, one when the clock was running down prior to the pass to Lynch and one running up to the line after the pass to Kearse. With about 25 seconds left they had time for 3 pass plays or one - and ONLY one - running play. So in one sense it made sense to throw a pass or two before trying the run.
I agree with the other poster who said it was the type of pass that was the problem . . . they'd run it so many times over the year with success that Belichik had practiced that interception play over and over the last two weeks. I'd have let Wilson roll out right and either throw the corner fade or wait until the tight end cleared in the back center of the end zone . . . all the while checking to see if there was a hole to run it in himself. That approach takes away the precision interception play that Butler pulled off, spreads the defense and allows Wilson to use his athleticism to make a play against a more fluid (as opposed to stacked at the line) defense.
This post was edited on 2/2 1:04 PM by Sope Creek
LMAO. Really? Do you have any facts for that?
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Press Release | September 29, 2014
Major League Baseball finished the 2014 regular season with an attendance of 73,739,622, marking the seventh highest total of all-time, it was announced today. Competitive balance throughout the game and exciting late-year pennant races have led to the last decade producing all 10 of the best-attended seasons in Major League Baseball history.
The final weekend of the season drew 1,648,624 fans to ballparks across the country, the second highest weekend attendance of the season, and the largest final weekend of a season since 2008, when 1,683,763 fans attended games. Overall, the 2014 season posted 17 weekends with at least 1.5 million in attendance, also marking the largest since 2008, when there were 19 such weekends.
The 2014 total finished just 0.4 percent lower than 2013, despite playing five fewer dates (2,421) than last year (2,426). In addition, the 2014 average attendance of 30,458 per game was just 0.2 percent lower than the 2013 average of 30,515.
Among the highlights of the season:
Twelve Clubs surpassed the 2.5-million mark, including five that topped the three-million mark.
The five to reach three million have all now reached three million in consecutive seasons, including the New York Yankees (16 straight); the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (12 straight); the St. Louis Cardinals (11 straight); the San Francisco Giants (five straight); and the the Los Angeles Dodgers (three straight).
The Pittsburgh Pirates established a single-season attendance record of 2,442,564 in 2014, breaking the previous mark of 2,436,139 set during the first season at PNC Park in 2001. The Pirates also posted 23 sellouts during the season, tying the club record set in 2013.
The Washington Nationals drew 2,579,389 on the season, topping the 2.5-million mark for the second consecutive season and for only the third time in club history (also their debut season in 2005). The Nationals recorded eight sellouts, tied with 2012 for the most in a single season.
The San Francisco Giants, who sold out every game this season, ended the 2014 season with 327 consecutive sell-outs, dating back to October 1, 2010, for the longest active streak in the Majors.
The St. Louis Cardinals attracted 3,540,649 fans in 2014, the second largest attendance in the Majors this season, and the second highest attendance in franchise history behind 2007 (3,552,180). Led by 52 sellouts and an average of 43,712 per game, the 2014 season was the second time in franchise history with 40,000 or more fans at every game (also 2007).
The Detroit Tigers, who recorded 27 sellouts during the 2014 season, posted the fifth largest total attendance (2,917,209) in the 114-year history of the franchise.
The Los Angeles Dodgers led the Majors for the second consecutive season with 3,782,337. The Dodgers surpassed the 3.7-million mark for the sixth time in club history, and it was their second highest total overall, behind 2007 (3,857,036).
The New York Yankees led the American League with 3,401,624, marking the 12th straight season they have drawn the most among AL Clubs.
The Baltimore Orioles drew reached the 2.4-million mark for the first time since the 2005 season.
The Kansas City Royals posted their highest attendance (1,956,482) since 1991.
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim logged nine sellouts in 2014, and their attendance of 44,561 on August 7th against the Los Angeles Dodgers established the largest regular season crowd at Angel Stadium since 1998.
The Milwaukee Brewers attendance of 2,797,384 was an increase of 10.5 percent from 2013, marking the largest increase in the NL and the fourth largest in the Majors.
The Seattle Mariners drew 2,063,622, eclipsing the two-million mark for the first time since 2010. The club's attendance represented a Major League-best 17 percent increase over 2013.
The Oakland Athletics had an attendance of 2,003,628 in 2014, surpassing the two-million mark for the first time since 2005 (2,109,118).
The New York Mets attracted 2,148,808 fans in 2014, marking the club's first increase over the previous season in Citi Field history (since 2009).
The Houston Astros drew 1,751,829 fans in 2014, representing an attendance increase for the second consecutive season.
"During the last week, all of us who love the game witnessed a wonderful culmination to the 2014 regular season with thrilling Postseason races down to the final day, an emotional farewell to an icon of this generation and a milestone in our nation's capital," said Baseball Commissioner Allan H. (Bud) Selig. "Once again, I'd like to thank our great fans for their continued enthusiasm and support over the last decade and beyond. I join our fans in looking forward to another magnificent Postseason and all the best of our National Pastime."
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Press Release | September 29, 2014
Major League Baseball finished the 2014 regular season with an attendance of 73,739,622, marking the seventh highest total of all-time, it was announced today. Competitive balance throughout the game and exciting late-year pennant races have led to the last decade producing all 10 of the best-attended seasons in Major League Baseball history.
The final weekend of the season drew 1,648,624 fans to ballparks across the country, the second highest weekend attendance of the season, and the largest final weekend of a season since 2008, when 1,683,763 fans attended games. Overall, the 2014 season posted 17 weekends with at least 1.5 million in attendance, also marking the largest since 2008, when there were 19 such weekends.
The 2014 total finished just 0.4 percent lower than 2013, despite playing five fewer dates (2,421) than last year (2,426). In addition, the 2014 average attendance of 30,458 per game was just 0.2 percent lower than the 2013 average of 30,515.
Among the highlights of the season:
Twelve Clubs surpassed the 2.5-million mark, including five that topped the three-million mark.
The five to reach three million have all now reached three million in consecutive seasons, including the New York Yankees (16 straight); the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (12 straight); the St. Louis Cardinals (11 straight); the San Francisco Giants (five straight); and the the Los Angeles Dodgers (three straight).
The Pittsburgh Pirates established a single-season attendance record of 2,442,564 in 2014, breaking the previous mark of 2,436,139 set during the first season at PNC Park in 2001. The Pirates also posted 23 sellouts during the season, tying the club record set in 2013.
The Washington Nationals drew 2,579,389 on the season, topping the 2.5-million mark for the second consecutive season and for only the third time in club history (also their debut season in 2005). The Nationals recorded eight sellouts, tied with 2012 for the most in a single season.
The San Francisco Giants, who sold out every game this season, ended the 2014 season with 327 consecutive sell-outs, dating back to October 1, 2010, for the longest active streak in the Majors.
The St. Louis Cardinals attracted 3,540,649 fans in 2014, the second largest attendance in the Majors this season, and the second highest attendance in franchise history behind 2007 (3,552,180). Led by 52 sellouts and an average of 43,712 per game, the 2014 season was the second time in franchise history with 40,000 or more fans at every game (also 2007).
The Detroit Tigers, who recorded 27 sellouts during the 2014 season, posted the fifth largest total attendance (2,917,209) in the 114-year history of the franchise.
The Los Angeles Dodgers led the Majors for the second consecutive season with 3,782,337. The Dodgers surpassed the 3.7-million mark for the sixth time in club history, and it was their second highest total overall, behind 2007 (3,857,036).
The New York Yankees led the American League with 3,401,624, marking the 12th straight season they have drawn the most among AL Clubs.
The Baltimore Orioles drew reached the 2.4-million mark for the first time since the 2005 season.
The Kansas City Royals posted their highest attendance (1,956,482) since 1991.
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim logged nine sellouts in 2014, and their attendance of 44,561 on August 7th against the Los Angeles Dodgers established the largest regular season crowd at Angel Stadium since 1998.
The Milwaukee Brewers attendance of 2,797,384 was an increase of 10.5 percent from 2013, marking the largest increase in the NL and the fourth largest in the Majors.
The Seattle Mariners drew 2,063,622, eclipsing the two-million mark for the first time since 2010. The club's attendance represented a Major League-best 17 percent increase over 2013.
The Oakland Athletics had an attendance of 2,003,628 in 2014, surpassing the two-million mark for the first time since 2005 (2,109,118).
The New York Mets attracted 2,148,808 fans in 2014, marking the club's first increase over the previous season in Citi Field history (since 2009).
The Houston Astros drew 1,751,829 fans in 2014, representing an attendance increase for the second consecutive season.
"During the last week, all of us who love the game witnessed a wonderful culmination to the 2014 regular season with thrilling Postseason races down to the final day, an emotional farewell to an icon of this generation and a milestone in our nation's capital," said Baseball Commissioner Allan H. (Bud) Selig. "Once again, I'd like to thank our great fans for their continued enthusiasm and support over the last decade and beyond. I join our fans in looking forward to another magnificent Postseason and all the best of our National Pastime."
Major league attendence is growing...by alot LINK
Look at the decades. In the 2000's, Major league attendence has been consistantly in the 70-80 million range per season. In the 90's, 50-60 million. Before that, consistently less than 50 million per year.
Youth participation in football is down, everywhere, obviously due to the concussion issue. As this continues, you will see higher participation rates among youths in baseball.
Baseball attendence
Look at the decades. In the 2000's, Major league attendence has been consistantly in the 70-80 million range per season. In the 90's, 50-60 million. Before that, consistently less than 50 million per year.
Youth participation in football is down, everywhere, obviously due to the concussion issue. As this continues, you will see higher participation rates among youths in baseball.
Baseball attendence
Football is the only major sport that
actually has rule about "unsportsmanlike conduct". That tells me all I need to know.
actually has rule about "unsportsmanlike conduct". That tells me all I need to know.
There is also the miracle fall on your butt juggle catch
But the difference here is that the dumb play was a deliberate decision.
But the difference here is that the dumb play was a deliberate decision.
Dumb call or great play...
...by Butler who jumped the route and knocked Lockette off the ball?
The most interesting part was that the Patriots practiced this situation and even worked against this very pick play.
Thus preparation and then execution by the defense made the interception possible.
The split second timing had to be perfect on jumping the route or it would have either been interference or a touchdown. Perfect timing by the defensive back on this play required a lot of luck, but the gamble was obviously worth it as the defender had everything to gain and little to lose.
Final note, 110 million people watching a great game hardly adds up to the NFL going downhill from where I sit.
...by Butler who jumped the route and knocked Lockette off the ball?
The most interesting part was that the Patriots practiced this situation and even worked against this very pick play.
Thus preparation and then execution by the defense made the interception possible.
The split second timing had to be perfect on jumping the route or it would have either been interference or a touchdown. Perfect timing by the defensive back on this play required a lot of luck, but the gamble was obviously worth it as the defender had everything to gain and little to lose.
Final note, 110 million people watching a great game hardly adds up to the NFL going downhill from where I sit.
Blown calls are a different animal.
I give the NFL kudos for leading the charge in the use of instant replay to get calls right. There is no question that this has reduced the impact of human error on the part of officials. Football happens very quickly in real time and I can only imagine how difficult it is to get it right even most of the time.
But a lucky catch is just a lucky catch -- and it is part of the game. Poor playcalling is poor playcalling -- and, also, part of the game. Bad calls aren't part of the game. In fact, they're a perversion of the game.
I realize there's no such thing as perfection. And I also realize the reason that some calls are reviewable and others aren't. And I'm also sure there are questionable calls the other way that may also have impacted the outcome. I'm only mentioning this one because (a) I think it's reasonable to suspect this may have impacted the outcome, and (b) it's received scant attention in relation to the (within the rules) circus catch and subsequent (also within the rules) bad playcalling.
I give the NFL kudos for leading the charge in the use of instant replay to get calls right. There is no question that this has reduced the impact of human error on the part of officials. Football happens very quickly in real time and I can only imagine how difficult it is to get it right even most of the time.
But a lucky catch is just a lucky catch -- and it is part of the game. Poor playcalling is poor playcalling -- and, also, part of the game. Bad calls aren't part of the game. In fact, they're a perversion of the game.
I realize there's no such thing as perfection. And I also realize the reason that some calls are reviewable and others aren't. And I'm also sure there are questionable calls the other way that may also have impacted the outcome. I'm only mentioning this one because (a) I think it's reasonable to suspect this may have impacted the outcome, and (b) it's received scant attention in relation to the (within the rules) circus catch and subsequent (also within the rules) bad playcalling.
That fight in 1972 makes the UC-Xavier brawl from a few years ago....
look like a playground shoving match between kindergartners. Reaching a hand out to help out a player and then kneeing him in the groin?!? Then your teammate comes off the bench and stomps on his head?!? Wow. Can you imagine what the aftermath would be like if something like that happened today?
On a much better note, however, Corky Taylor (the knee) and Luke Witte (the groin) apparently good friends years later: http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/160740655.html
look like a playground shoving match between kindergartners. Reaching a hand out to help out a player and then kneeing him in the groin?!? Then your teammate comes off the bench and stomps on his head?!? Wow. Can you imagine what the aftermath would be like if something like that happened today?
On a much better note, however, Corky Taylor (the knee) and Luke Witte (the groin) apparently good friends years later: http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/160740655.html
Re: Clock management . . .
In fact, I really thought Belichick was going to use his time outs so that if they scored Brady would at least have a shot. The article linked below says the same thing, but then calls Belichick a genius for not calling a time out. I think the article makes a big leap by calling it a genius move that "dared the Seahawks to make the most ill-advised pass in NFL history." But it is an interesting take on the pros and cons of the Patriots not calling a time out.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/bill-belichick-timeouts-super-bowl-seattle-interception-new-england-patriots-brilliant-seattle-sehawks
Only 26 seconds left when they ran the play that resulted in the interception, but they really took their time running that play. In fact, the Seahawks could have easily run a play with at least 55 seconds left, maybe more if they simply clocked the ball, but they chose to let the clock run down (I think almost to the end of the play clock).
In fact, I really thought Belichick was going to use his time outs so that if they scored Brady would at least have a shot. The article linked below says the same thing, but then calls Belichick a genius for not calling a time out. I think the article makes a big leap by calling it a genius move that "dared the Seahawks to make the most ill-advised pass in NFL history." But it is an interesting take on the pros and cons of the Patriots not calling a time out.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/bill-belichick-timeouts-super-bowl-seattle-interception-new-england-patriots-brilliant-seattle-sehawks
Coaches didn't think so
With the Pat's defensive package subbed after Lynch's run ... Pete Carroll says the play called because of that package. Their OC said it was called to stop the clock ie: either TD or stop the clock
Let's say they did run and Lynch was stopped, which he was been during the game at different times....would Seattle been able to get back to the line of scrimmage to spike the ball?
If they would have, would they have called another running play after being stopped or a pass play.
Take a look at the play picture on my blog ... it was wide open for a split second.
Also if it was such a bad play why did the Pats prepare for it.
Yes, I agree with you about the brawl ... The NFL isn't going down fast ...
With the Pat's defensive package subbed after Lynch's run ... Pete Carroll says the play called because of that package. Their OC said it was called to stop the clock ie: either TD or stop the clock
Let's say they did run and Lynch was stopped, which he was been during the game at different times....would Seattle been able to get back to the line of scrimmage to spike the ball?
If they would have, would they have called another running play after being stopped or a pass play.
Take a look at the play picture on my blog ... it was wide open for a split second.
Also if it was such a bad play why did the Pats prepare for it.
Yes, I agree with you about the brawl ... The NFL isn't going down fast ...
They had a timeout remaining.
So your question is moot. And, besides, there was plenty of time on the clock (26 seconds). In fact, there was enough time that the announcers were talking about NE intentionally giving up the TD in order to allow Brady some time to toss a Hail Mary.
Whatever reasoning they had to try for that pass is, IMO, outweighed by the cardinal rule of Red Zone offense (*especially* when the game is on the line): DO NOT TURN THE BALL OVER.
It was an unnecessarily risky play call. And Carroll & Co. are justifiably getting torn to shreds for it. Yes, I realize it's a "hero or goat" scenario. But, if they were that concerned about the clock, they should've called time out. But I don't think they had any cause to be that concerned about the clock.
So your question is moot. And, besides, there was plenty of time on the clock (26 seconds). In fact, there was enough time that the announcers were talking about NE intentionally giving up the TD in order to allow Brady some time to toss a Hail Mary.
Whatever reasoning they had to try for that pass is, IMO, outweighed by the cardinal rule of Red Zone offense (*especially* when the game is on the line): DO NOT TURN THE BALL OVER.
It was an unnecessarily risky play call. And Carroll & Co. are justifiably getting torn to shreds for it. Yes, I realize it's a "hero or goat" scenario. But, if they were that concerned about the clock, they should've called time out. But I don't think they had any cause to be that concerned about the clock.
I thought they were out of time outs . . .
and can't find anything indicating what the time out situation was.
If they had a time out, then the pattern should have been (1) run (time out if no TD), (2) pass into the end zone, and then (3) play action and let Wilson make a play.
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and can't find anything indicating what the time out situation was.
If they had a time out, then the pattern should have been (1) run (time out if no TD), (2) pass into the end zone, and then (3) play action and let Wilson make a play.
This post was edited on 2/2 4:25 PM by Sope Creek
Re: Coaches didn't think so
Seattle had a timeout left. It was a stupid playcall. If they've stacked the middle of the field, why do you throw into the middle of the field? You can't justify it - it was a stupid play call. Passing wasn't a stupid play call - the location of the pass was. The best play would have been a play action to Lynch, role Wilson right and he's got three options - run it in himself, throw to the back of the endzone where you've got one on one coverage or throw it away. That play had a bunch of chances of not working because you were throwing into the teeth of the defense.
With 26 seconds, there was no need to put that play in.
Seattle had a timeout left. It was a stupid playcall. If they've stacked the middle of the field, why do you throw into the middle of the field? You can't justify it - it was a stupid play call. Passing wasn't a stupid play call - the location of the pass was. The best play would have been a play action to Lynch, role Wilson right and he's got three options - run it in himself, throw to the back of the endzone where you've got one on one coverage or throw it away. That play had a bunch of chances of not working because you were throwing into the teeth of the defense.
With 26 seconds, there was no need to put that play in.
Nope.
Here's a screenshot of the broadcast. NE had 2 TOs left, Seattle had 1.
They actually would've had two timeouts, but they had just burned one to avoid a delay of game (with the clock already stopped, no less!).
I probably would've have saved the pass for 4th down. Again, they had 26 seconds left -- which should be plenty of time. If the pass results in an INT on 4th down, who cares? At least you got the 4 full shots at the endzone...instead of the 2 they gave themselves.
If time would've been dwindling close, then maybe I'd have thrown the pass on 3rd down to get the clock stopped. But, with as much time remaining on the clock as they had -- plus the TO -- it's crazy that they tried the pass on 2nd down.
This post was edited on 2/2 6:04 PM by crazed_hoosier2
Here's a screenshot of the broadcast. NE had 2 TOs left, Seattle had 1.
They actually would've had two timeouts, but they had just burned one to avoid a delay of game (with the clock already stopped, no less!).
I probably would've have saved the pass for 4th down. Again, they had 26 seconds left -- which should be plenty of time. If the pass results in an INT on 4th down, who cares? At least you got the 4 full shots at the endzone...instead of the 2 they gave themselves.
If time would've been dwindling close, then maybe I'd have thrown the pass on 3rd down to get the clock stopped. But, with as much time remaining on the clock as they had -- plus the TO -- it's crazy that they tried the pass on 2nd down.
This post was edited on 2/2 6:04 PM by crazed_hoosier2
Yeah, there were a lot of bodies in the vicinity.
One of them was the umpire, which just muddles it that much more.
But I disagree with you that the pass -- any pass -- wasn't a stupid play call. The only reason you do that is to preserve time. But, as you point out, they had a TO. They also had roughly 30 seconds left when they got in formation (26 when they snapped it).
Save the pass for 4th down if time allows, or 3rd down if it doesn't.
One of them was the umpire, which just muddles it that much more.
But I disagree with you that the pass -- any pass -- wasn't a stupid play call. The only reason you do that is to preserve time. But, as you point out, they had a TO. They also had roughly 30 seconds left when they got in formation (26 when they snapped it).
Save the pass for 4th down if time allows, or 3rd down if it doesn't.
