The 3rd Year

[cryano]

Football is not equal to basketball.

But Matt Rhule is coaching Baylor tonight in Sugar Bowl.

Temple
Yr 1: 2-10
Yr 2: 6-6
Yr 3: 10-4

Hired by Baylor
Yr 1: 1-11
Yr 2: 7-6
Yr 3: 11-2

Thats a sport w almost 100 guys on a roster!
Basketball only takes 1-3 players to dramatically change a program...

Take to Archie’s Hoosiers...
Ive seen little to no improvement - thats an opinion I hold.
The fact is there has been little to no change in win/loss records...w much of Year 3 left to play out.

Baylor could see what they were hiring 3 years into the Temple job...NFL teams are now seeing what he brings 3 years into the Baylor job...

3 years into the Indiana job...would Archie be hired by an ‘upgrade’ school to IU, back to the mid-majors, or to a low D1 level?

 

[cryano]

I thought when Chris Collins went to NW to be a head coach he would next become Dukes replacement for Coach K...but he has barely been .500 at NW...so probably they would fo another direction these days.

 

[IndyResident16]

Matt Rhule also inherited a Baylor program who won:

11 games in 2013
11 games in 2014
10 games in 2015

Not to mention they won the Big 12 2/3 years in that span. Rhule didn’t inherit a program who fired their coach for poor performance.

 

[IndyResident16]

Also, really hard not to improve from winning 1 game.

 

[cryano]

Matt Rhule also inherited a Baylor program who won:

11 games in 2013
11 games in 2014
10 games in 2015

Not to mention they won the Big 12 2/3 years in that span. Rhule didn’t inherit a program who fired their coach for poor performance.

Did he replace a successful program and drop it to a 1-11 record?

 

[IndyResident16]

Did he replace a successful program and drop it to a 1-11 record?

You tell me? What does his record say?

 

[IndyResident16]

You can’t compare Archie’s situation to Rhule’s. Rhule took over a program who had won 32 games the three year priors whose 3 prior recruiting classes were all top 30, meaning he had talented upperclassmen on the roster when he took over.

Archie inherited a team who wasn’t very good to begin with who lost their 3 best players from the year before and started year 1 with an extremely poor constructed roster left by his predecessor.

Good on Matt Rhule for beating everybody in the Big 12 this year minus Oklahoma and taking a team the Sugar Bowl who is currently getting shutout by a team with 12 starters out. It’s irrelevant to Archie Miller.

 

[cryano]

You tell me? What does his record say?

He replaced a 7-6 coach...
I


I wouldn’t let my the son or daughter of my worst enemy attend Baylor.

 

[cryano]

You can’t compare Archie’s situation to Rhule’s. Rhule took over a program who had won 32 games the three year priors whose 3 prior recruiting classes were all top 30, meaning he had talented upperclassmen on the roster when he took over.

Archie inherited a team who wasn’t very good to begin with who lost their 3 best players from the year before and started year 1 with an extremely poor constructed roster left by his predecessor.

Good on Matt Rhule for beating everybody in the Big 12 this year minus Oklahoma and taking a team the Sugar Bowl who is currently getting shutout by a team with 12 starters out. It’s irrelevant to Archie Miller.

and had won 2 B10 championships and held that reputation

 

[IndyResident16]

I wouldn’t let my the son or daughter of my worst enemy attend Baylor.

I wouldn’t either

 

[cryano]

I wouldn’t either

Yet a new coach has put a resurgence in a program well w/in a 3 year period...in an untouchable program that no one would really want their son or daughter to attend! (Their womens VB was excellent too though)

IU was only untouchable in the transition year between Crean and Sampson.

 

[hondo314]

Football is not equal to basketball.

But Matt Rhule is coaching Baylor tonight in Sugar Bowl.

Temple
Yr 1: 2-10
Yr 2: 6-6
Yr 3: 10-4

Hired by Baylor
Yr 1: 1-11
Yr 2: 7-6
Yr 3: 11-2

Thats a sport w almost 100 guys on a roster!
Basketball only takes 1-3 players to dramatically change a program...

Take to Archie’s Hoosiers...
Ive seen little to no improvement - thats an opinion I hold.
The fact is there has been little to no change in win/loss records...w much of Year 3 left to play out.

Baylor could see what they were hiring 3 years into the Temple job...NFL teams are now seeing what he brings 3 years into the Baylor job...

3 years into the Indiana job...would Archie be hired by an ‘upgrade’ school to IU, back to the mid-majors, or to a low D1 level?

killer apples to apples comparison here! lol

 

[cryano]

killer apples to apples comparison here! lol

killer apples to apples comparison here! lol

 

[SIhoosier26]

Matt Rhule also inherited a Baylor program who won:

11 games in 2013
11 games in 2014
10 games in 2015

Not to mention they won the Big 12 2/3 years in that span. Rhule didn’t inherit a program who fired their coach for poor performance.

I’m glad Crean’s gone don’t get me wrong but he did win the Big Ten twice and make 3 sweet sixteens in his last 5 years, if anything so far the program has regressed under Archie.

Maybe Archie is tearing down the program to build it back up, we’ll just have to wait and see. So far it’s been pretty disappointing, especially from a “just make the tournament” perspective.

 

[ufo33]

Football is not equal to basketball.

But Matt Rhule is coaching Baylor tonight in Sugar Bowl.

Temple
Yr 1: 2-10
Yr 2: 6-6
Yr 3: 10-4

Hired by Baylor
Yr 1: 1-11
Yr 2: 7-6
Yr 3: 11-2

Thats a sport w almost 100 guys on a roster!
Basketball only takes 1-3 players to dramatically change a program...

Take to Archie’s Hoosiers...
Ive seen little to no improvement - thats an opinion I hold.
The fact is there has been little to no change in win/loss records...w much of Year 3 left to play out.

Baylor could see what they were hiring 3 years into the Temple job...NFL teams are now seeing what he brings 3 years into the Baylor job...

3 years into the Indiana job...would Archie be hired by an ‘upgrade’ school to IU, back to the mid-majors, or to a low D1 level?

Just like Crean who failed at IU after 9 years. Mid-major or a football school who can afford a high salary basketball coach like Geoegia did Crean.

 

[ufo33]

Get out the wallet and hire a proven winning coach. Or just forget it. Play ball with the big boys or forget it.

 

[cshartle123]

I’m glad Crean’s gone don’t get me wrong but he did win the Big Ten twice and make 3 sweet sixteens in his last 5 years, if anything so far the program has regressed under Archie.

Maybe Archie is tearing down the program to build it back up, we’ll just have to wait and see. So far it’s been pretty disappointing, especially from a “just make the tournament” perspective.

Your theory, the program has regressed, is not supported by your reasoning, Crean’s accomplishments in his last five years. Archie has not coached IU for nine years. He has also accomplished more than Crean in his first three years.

 

[bailey777]

I’m glad Crean’s gone don’t get me wrong but he did win the Big Ten twice and make 3 sweet sixteens in his last 5 years, if anything so far the program has regressed under Archie.

Maybe Archie is tearing down the program to build it back up, we’ll just have to wait and see. So far it’s been pretty disappointing, especially from a “just make the tournament” perspective.

He also won 27 games in his fourth and inherited far less than archie. So I am expecting big big things in year 4.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Your theory, the program has regressed, is not supported by your reasoning, Crean’s accomplishments in his last five years. Archie has not coached IU for nine years. He has also accomplished more than Crean in his first three years.

Crean had a true rebuild. miller's is a pretense.

 

[JIMSHAM]

Football is not equal to basketball.

But Matt Rhule is coaching Baylor tonight in Sugar Bowl.

Temple
Yr 1: 2-10
Yr 2: 6-6
Yr 3: 10-4

Hired by Baylor
Yr 1: 1-11
Yr 2: 7-6
Yr 3: 11-2

Thats a sport w almost 100 guys on a roster!
Basketball only takes 1-3 players to dramatically change a program...

Take to Archie’s Hoosiers...
Ive seen little to no improvement - thats an opinion I hold.
The fact is there has been little to no change in win/loss records...w much of Year 3 left to play out.

Baylor could see what they were hiring 3 years into the Temple job...NFL teams are now seeing what he brings 3 years into the Baylor job...

3 years into the Indiana job...would Archie be hired by an ‘upgrade’ school to IU, back to the mid-majors, or to a low D1 level?

Please go back to your promised vacation

 

[cshartle123]

Crean had a true rebuild. miller's is a pretense.

It depends on how you define rebuild. Crean alienated in state recruits, and the undisciplined play of his philosophy still effects the success of this team. I would take Archie over Crean in 2008. At least we wouldn’t need four years to purge his players.

 

[cryano]

Please go back to your promised vacation

wth you talking about?

 

[mcmurtry66]

It depends on how you define rebuild. Crean alienated in state recruits, and the undisciplined play of his philosophy still effects the success of this team. I would take Archie over Crean in 2008. At least we wouldn’t need four years to purge his players.

your memory must be short. what crean inherited in the wake of sampson and the ncaa investigation and self-imposed sanctions bears no comparison to miller's so-called rebuild. if memory serves me crean inherited a roster of two walk-ons. i still remember how much fight that team had. what's more by year 4 his recruiting was leaps and bounds better than what we're seeing from miller. "the movement" infused the program with loads of excitement. i don't see much in the way of excitement around the program today. anyway, sick of the excuses and the notion that this is a major rebuild. it's finding a handful of players that can play in a state rich with talent.

 

[cshartle123]

your memory must be short. what crean inherited in the wake of sampson and the ncaa investigation and self-imposed sanctions bears no comparison to miller's so-called rebuild. if memory serves me crean inherited a roster of two walk-ons. i still remember how much fight that team had. what's more by year 4 his recruiting was leaps and bounds better than what we're seeing from miller. "the movement" infused the program with loads of excitement. i don't see much in the way of excitement around the program today. anyway, sick of the excuses and the notion that this is a major rebuild. it's finding a handful of players that can play in a state rich with talent.

Yes, Crean generated a lot of excitement. He was selling Indiana basketball to recruits and preaching his confidences to a fanbase that was starving for success. At the end of nearly a decade, look at what he accomplished. He built a program on a foundation of “excitement.” Archie is bringing in humble Indiana kids, and teaching them shot selection and how to play team defense. Even if he doesn’t succeed the next guy will have good recruiting relationships and the Indiana basketball identity will be reestablished.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Yes, Crean generated a lot of excitement. He was selling Indiana basketball to recruits and preaching his confidences to a fanbase that was starving for success. At the end of nearly a decade, look at what he accomplished. He built a program on a foundation of “excitement.” Archie is bringing in humble Indiana kids, and teaching them shot selection and how to play team defense. Even if he doesn’t succeed the next guy will have good recruiting relationships and the Indiana basketball identity will be reestablished.

In the eyes of the beholder.... I hope you’re right. We’ll know soon enough. And I have zero faith there’s a better option waiting in the wings so I hope you are right!

 

[cryano]

Yes, Crean generated a lot of excitement. He was selling Indiana basketball to recruits and preaching his confidences to a fanbase that was starving for success. At the end of nearly a decade, look at what he accomplished. He built a program on a foundation of “excitement.” Archie is bringing in humble Indiana kids, and teaching them shot selection and how to play team defense. Even if he doesn’t succeed the next guy will have good recruiting relationships and the Indiana basketball identity will be reestablished.

Did you say Archie is ‘teaching them shot selection and how to play team defense’?

 

[ufo33]

In the eyes of the beholder.... I hope you’re right. We’ll know soon enough. And I have zero faith there’s a better option waiting in the wings so I hope you are right!

Geronimo, Galloway, and Leal next season.

 

[bailey777]

Crean had a true rebuild. miller's is a pretense.

I know and I hated giving cream the three year pass but he won 27 games in year our.

Yes, Crean generated a lot of excitement. He was selling Indiana basketball to recruits and preaching his confidences to a fanbase that was starving for success. At the end of nearly a decade, look at what he accomplished. He built a program on a foundation of “excitement.” Archie is bringing in humble Indiana kids, and teaching them shot selection and how to play team defense. Even if he doesn’t succeed the next guy will have good recruiting relationships and the Indiana basketball identity will be reestablished.

That's one way to look at it I guess.

 

[bailey777]

Yes, Crean generated a lot of excitement. He was selling Indiana basketball to recruits and preaching his confidences to a fanbase that was starving for success. At the end of nearly a decade, look at what he accomplished. He built a program on a foundation of “excitement.” Archie is bringing in humble Indiana kids, and teaching them shot selection and how to play team defense. Even if he doesn’t succeed the next guy will have good recruiting relationships and the Indiana basketball identity will be reestablished.

So why are they shooting three pointers they cannot hit? That seems like poor shoot selection.

 

[cshartle123]

So why are they shooting three pointers they cannot hit? That seems like poor shoot selection.

Troll bait

 

[bailey777]

Troll bait

Wrong.

 

[ndhuntington]

I feel like Archie is over his head at Indiana. Not his fault he will be fine at the second tier programs aka Crean. But going forward Indiana must bring a proven coach not a flash in the pan coach.

 

[Cavanagh]

Your theory, the program has regressed, is not supported by your reasoning, Crean’s accomplishments in his last five years. Archie has not coached IU for nine years. He has also accomplished more than Crean in his first three years.

To be fair that is like saying crean couldn’t get potty trained in 1st 2nd or 3rd grade. Neither could Archie, but he only wet the bed twice a week instead of 4 times.

 

[go_iu]

Crean had a true rebuild. miller's is a pretense.

Although I would argue that Crean was largely responsible for the negative situation he inherited, you are correct. Crean's was a true rebuild, Miller did not inherit nothing …. that's why he (Crean) was fired, he should have been doing better with what he had the last few years

 

[go_iu]

Geronimo, Galloway, and Leal next season.

Pretty sure they've all fallen out of the top 100 of late, so that's what we should be celebrating? Butler/Dayton/Miami of Ohio level talent? Archie better pray that TJD is not one and done or his time here is up after next year

 

[Cavanagh]

Pretty sure they've all fallen out of the top 100 of late, so that's what we should be celebrating? Butler/Dayton/Miami of Ohio level talent? Archie better pray that TJD is not one and done or his time here is up after next year

That is the exact reason he should get fired if he does not make the tournament. Talent is getting worse and he has done nothing to prove he can coach up talent. He has proven he can underachieve quite well.

 

[bailey777]

I feel like Archie is over his head at Indiana. Not his fault he will be fine at the second tier programs aka Crean. But going forward Indiana must bring a proven coach not a flash in the pan coach.

I totally agree and now recruiting has gone flat as well.

I feel like Archie is over his head at Indiana. Not his fault he will be fine at the second tier programs aka Crean. But going forward Indiana must bring a proven coach not a flash in the pan coach.

I totally agree but some will tell you that you cannot even begin to judge until after four years. I really wish we had gone after somebody who won in a power conference. These mid major hires are so hit or miss. So far looks like a miss imo.

 

[RiverView31]

I totally agree and now recruiting has gone flat as well.

I totally agree but some will tell you that you cannot even begin to judge until after four years. I really wish we had gone after somebody who won in a power conference. These mid major hires are so hit or miss. So far looks like a miss imo.

which coach would you have picked 3 years ago?

 

[Al Bino]

which coach would you have picked 3 years ago?

They will say Holtmann and Mack but that is hind sight at it's best.

 

[bailey777]

which coach would you have picked 3 years ago?

Mack was my number one choice hands down. I was shocked they did no go after him.