Tamar Bates is Overrated
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1. I don't think so. He's already showing he has improved his body and overall game and can do other things and from what I've seen his offensive game is mid-range, transition and going to the basket. I agree with others: too many flaws in his shot (not square, feet askew, flat shot,...) for him to shoot at that level imo. You like to bet and I don't like to bet against Hoosiers, but I don't think his 3 pt shooting is what will make or break him for this team. You pick a reasonable minimum # of 3s (70?), and I don't think he'll get to 38%. We only had 2 guys above that last year. I'd only bet because I don't feel like I'm betting "against" him, because I think he'll contribute in other ways. Not a big better... $100 (that's a big bet for me!)? For a great season, I could lose $100 and still feel happy!
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Ill bet you he shoots over 100, and 38%. $100 bucks. And when he finishes at 36.8 and has 124 ill gladly give u a Franklin. It will be close to it for sure. Over 35% ill bet a shit ton on.
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If he carves a good spot in the rotation and is making at that rate, I could see him getting to 100. I think 35% is probably about what I'd hope for. He shot around 30% last year I think, and he looks much better to me, but his shot just to me looks too flawed for a knock down shooter. Hope I'm 100% wrong.
I find that wholly plausible, but then today's youth is quite a bit worldlier than they were in the Jurassic. Ta.
Watching Geronimo and Galloway you can see they are now playing much more under control. The game has mentally slowed down for them. I think Tamar is on that same path, playing more under control, letting the game come to him. He has great potential to be a star player, it's just going to take time, which is fine. He brought great energy last night and is improving. He's starting to get it.
Maybe on strictly catch and shoot 3s and close to the line. Lots of things need to change for him to be a consistent scorer from deep. He’s getting plenty of run and players and coaches are talking him up. Hoping he picks it up.
He’ll be a good 4 year player
I know we play 30+ games but do we really want TB to shoot 100 three's this season? Seems like that is too many with all of our scoring options, to include TB going hard to the rim.
I could see that # next season.
I'd say only if he's making at a 35% rate or better. Otherwise, I think CMW will begin to reign in his 3 pt shooting.
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Right now his footwork is off and his release is screwed up...(for starters)... He's lined up to klang it off the side off the rim 90% of the time with that ugly shooting style...
Keep your money and put it towards getting him a personal shooting coach...
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He’s good. He just has a case of “hero ballitis.” Hopefully he can overcome his ego, so that he can help us.
I do see confidence mentioned quite a bit with him. There was a post last year before the season started saying he was NBA bound because he was the most confident player in the history of IU basketball. When he struggled last year confidence was cited.
another poster up in this thread gave their 2 cents that any issues were between the ears, and I think they are on to something.
My $0.02 on Tamar, with regards to where he stands right now...
He's not an elite shooter. He's not an elite ball handler or passer. He's not an elite athlete. He's not an elite defender, on the ball or off the ball. He hasn't shown that he's an elite rebounder out of the guard positions. And when I say "Elite" I mean in reference to his peers in the B10.
What he is though, is really solid at all those things. That gives him a versatility and value to most any team. And with our team specifically...he'll be a valuable bench guy because he can come in and help our backcourt guys handle the ball if necessary. He can come in and help spell Kopp on the wing. He's long enough that if we want/need him to defend/offend against a perimeter oriented "4" man in a 4 guard lineup, he can effectively do that.
When you take all of it in total...he could end up putting himself into "elite" overall impact territory. But he needs to really double down on the "dawg" mentality and become a lock down defender, a good rebounder, and a willing distributor.
I see Tamar's easiest path to "Elite" being him becoming a 10, 6, 5, 4...type of guy. He needs to embrace that mindset though. I think as of now, he thinks he's a "sniper" or instant offense kind of guy. And I just don't see that in him right now.
Right now he’s behind Galloway in the “dawg” mentality. He’s behind Galloway as a defender. He’s behind Galloway as a rebounder. He’s behind Galloway as a willing distributor.
Where Tamar ends up in these facets is up to Tamar. He has the ability and also a good example on the team.
Agreed. Actually might even be behind Galloway as a shooter/scorer, right now too. I think the shooting/scoring thing will probably take care of itself. Bates, I think, is naturally a better shooter and scorer than Galloway is. But you're right, Trey is probably outplaying Tamar right now in the areas Tamar needs to really take it to the next level in. Which is great for the team! And it'll be even better when Tamar kicks it into gear as well.
Tamar should simplify things. Start by becoming a lock down defender and go from there. He has the tools but defense is desire, as we know.
On offense he's serving as a bring the ball up the court point guard when he plays with Galloway, Geronimo, and MR. When he comes in with more of the starters he doesn't really have a role and he's not shooting from the perimeter well enough yet to be reliable.
One thing he could do on offense is start his drives closer to the basket. He is not quick enough with the ball yet to drive from 22 feet but he likes to get that head start and often gives the D time to help. The next two things he could do is attack the glass more on offense at his size, and he could help himself by getting out and scoring more in transition.
What I would like to see is Tamar catching the ball in position so he could take one dribble and elevate from the free throw line or just inside. Calbert Cheaney made a living from there an added to his game as he went.
On offense he's serving as a bring the ball up the court point guard when he plays with Galloway, Geronimo, and MR. When he comes in with more of the starters he doesn't really have a role and he's not shooting from the perimeter well enough yet to be reliable.
One thing he could do on offense is start his drives closer to the basket. He is not quick enough with the ball yet to drive from 22 feet but he likes to get that head start and often gives the D time to help. The next two things he could do is attack the glass more on offense at his size, and he could help himself by getting out and scoring more in transition.
What I would like to see is Tamar catching the ball in position so he could take one dribble and elevate from the free throw line or just inside. Calbert Cheaney made a living from there an added to his game as he went.
I thought Johnson looked very fast last night when he turned on the jets to the basket.
He hit his only 3-pointer, hit all four of his FTs, had 4 rebounds and had 6 assists.
I think he is still a bit uncomfortable still putting pressure on himself. I am hoping he gets comfortable and believe he will when he trusts his abilities.
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