Tamar Bates is Overrated
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I like him, but he is like the 5th or 6th option at this time. Not sure what his calling card is.
Not sure what he is just yet, but he should be studying Galloway. Especially on defense, passing, and ball handling.
So threads the last few days, Braden Smith who shoots 1-6 against the school of the blind is a can't miss stud, but Tamar Bates who has more field goals and 5 assists is overrated?
This team is loaded, there are only so many points to go around and Tamar has been really efficient this year.
This fanbase disgusts me sometimes.
This team is loaded, there are only so many points to go around and Tamar has been really efficient this year.
This fanbase disgusts me sometimes.
Fair or less moronic?
I would argue posting one of our best bench players is overrated in the midst of a 50 point beatdown is a dumb post, and I'll stand by it.
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Who said “can’t miss stud?”
How’d Xavier play tonight? My answer would be he controlled the game when he was in. The PG position is always about more than stats.
The Braden Smith stuff kills me. He looks like Rob Phinisee before his concussion/injury issues. A solid guy, playing PG early because the team has no one else, and a guy who might turn into an HM all-conference type of guy in his 3rd or 4th year. He's a high floor/low ceiling type of player.
He’s not overrated but he seems to be holding back on taking or getting to his shot. He’s much better on D and brings great energy
I’m wanting a Morris Peterson type 6th man lol
I’m wanting a Morris Peterson type 6th man lol
His last shot was right on line, but long. Looked really good coming off his hands too. Just like the one that went in. He is gonna get close to 40% from three this year. Jalens 3 point shot does not look near as good coming off his hand IMO. I think he will shoot about 30% from three this year.
He needs more arc on his shots. But he is definitely better. I suspect he will be good this year, but much better next year.
If it's not all about stats then that's good for Smith, his stats were horrible last night.
Flock Braden, that has nothing to do with anything. I posted elsewhere that TB is still struggling. He's come a long way from last year but as someone who so wants to see him succeed, empirically I understand exactly what the OP is saying. I expect freshmen to make freshman mistakes - Tamar (and Xavier) not so much, and Tamar was very close to having as many TOs as assists tonight. He also has yet to look like he has much/any business shooting threes (pretty sure the only other one he made before tonight banked in from the top of the key) and for all his defensive improvement he's still a bit out of sorts.
Maybe try responding with more in the way of substance and less with 'disgust'. OP happens to be one of the most lucid and discerning regulars on this Forum, and you've been pretty much AWOL since June.
Completely uncalled for and the kind of crap that will get you tossed. Feel free to double down and find out.
So starting a thread titled "Tamar Bates is overrated" during the second game of the year up 50 is a thread of substance?
Maybe the reason I've been "AWOL since June" and many others don't post here at all anymore is because of threads like this.
Bates is still trying to find his confidence after his death in the family last year where he hasn't quite been the same since. He's had flashes but he's not quite there yet, I agree with that.
If OP had framed it that way I would've had no problem with it.
Calling Tamar overrated in the title with no reasoning in the subject is the very definition of "lack of substance". It does nothing for the kid and makes our fanbase look bad.
To be fair, TB is still recovering from a back injury he sustained in practice a few weeks ago. But still, I had SUCH high hopes for him and desperately wanted to see a big sophomore leap, but I don't see much improvement at all. I still see him out of position on defense, slow lateral movements, poor decision-making at times, poor shooting, etc. I believe that his physical and mental faults will become more apparent to the masses when we're not playing inferior opponents.
IMO, compared to everyone else in the second unit, TB just looks out of place and I wonder if some of Tamar's minutes should go to some of our less heralded freshmen (#FreeCJ). The way TB moves on defense since arriving on campus reminds me of post knee injury Maurice Creek, stiff and slow.
But again, it's early and I should be more patient.
Relax. Take a deep breath, hold it for three seconds, and slowly release. Do that a few times and you will start to feel better.
I know you like the guy...but his shooting is suspect at best right now... He needs to slow it down 5/10ths of a second, get both his wits about him and his feet set under him and Then use his legs to get some elevation and put some arc on the ball... He's pressing and trying to play too fast when it comes to shooting...
I feel somewhat responsible because I made a big deal about his being the possible second coming of Mike Woodson..., maybe he actually read it and it went to his head? Right now I'm seeing few, if any similarities...
He has gotten better... His passing has improved, as has his defense, but his shooting leaves a Lot to be desired and he sometimes reverts back to old bad habits when he's trying to play too fast... (like his infamous drives to nowhere)...
If hangs around and works on his game and his body he could still be a good one but I'm not expecting much out of him this year in terms of consistent offense... Here's hoping he proves me wrong in a Big way...
Lol. Whore. (Edited - Seriously? Everybody is so up tight)
You're overreacting, and maybe if you were around more you'd recognize his post for what it was - an invitation to debate/make a case rather than a denigration of Tamar. Whatever, but if anyone here is guilty of a 'drive-by shooting' it's you.
You’re an idiot. Woodson said he’s still has a back issue, you must not listen during the game or you’re talking too much .
Yeah, he runs and dunks exactly like someone with a back issue.
Tamar's issues aren't physical, they're mental. Like the last three he took - didn't follow his shot nor did he get back on D, just sort of got lost at half-court and gave up an uncontested lay-up on an outlet pass. Mental mistake, just like bringing it up on a fast break with numbers and committing a charge.
Everyone is rooting for Tamar. Thread title was unconventional and somewhat over the top but in the context of the 'rating" he's been accorded by most of this Board, OP isn't exactly wrong and in any case was just playing.
Great win and lots of tape to study before Xavier next Friday. Tamar said in his interview earlier this week that he's really into watching film - given his minutes plenty there to watch and learn from as he continues to cultivate good decision-making rather than attempting to rely strictly or so heavily on his athleticism.
Cav….I hope you are right, but through 2 games, small sampling, but…..Tamar is 2-7 from 3 and averaging 23 minutes of play vs low level competition. If he gets that average to 35% this season, I think he would be at his ceiling. And I think that’s a stretch.
who picks a nit after a win like that? Yep, not all 12 guys played a perfect game. All I see wrong with Tamar are his feet on jump shots; they're always askew, one front one behind, it seems when he shoots. I think he knows we needed shooting coming into the season and he's pressing a bit on shooting the ball. I'll trust CMW's comments for weeks now about how well he's played. He's gonna be fine.
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are you a mod? Barney has the bullet in his gun and is itching to use it!
I thought it was a douchey thread topic after an all-around win and performance like that (one in which we went 21-22 from the line and drilled 3s, and went solidly 11-12 deep) and an entirely reasonable response. Troll and whore are regularly used terms on any board or site.
Apparently Rikki ain’t impressed with Tamar and so anything goes with denigrating the poor boy
"Douchey"? Sounds like a very popular word among grade-schoolers, but it does express an opinion in a quasi-civilized manner without recourse to name-calling.
The thread wasn't about the win, it was about Tamar, and it was about Tamar after four games, not just one.
"Whore" is not remotely "regularly used" on this Forum nor should it be. This is not the Cooler/OTF, nor should it become so...
Seems reading comprehension isn't your strength Empiricism isn't denigration per se, and "what's been said" is a far far cry from "anything goes". No idea how you imagine "poor boy" does him any justice but you do you.
26 I stand firmly with you. Bates is steadily improving on a team more full of talent than last year. PUke plays Smith because that's who they've got. Doubt he'd get many early minutes on other B1G rosters.
Objectively Tamar looks better on D, his overall game seems much improved. But, you made him out to be a superstar and high volume scorer and he isn't that, at least not yet. By the end of the season? We'll see. I don't see where that happens by the end of the season, but who knows, maybe.
Relative to Tamar shooting 40% on threes? Nope. Too many times he just does not square up with his shot. Rarely, if ever, can you make a high percentage if you don't consistently square up.
Banks looks to me like the guy with more potential as a scorer, with a little maturity he could be a really good one. Gunn will play a lot next season, probably both of them. Malik has come in and despite JHS's poor shooting night, both look like NBA level talent, Tamar not really, not yet.
TB remains a work in progress with a lot of upside remaining.
Those are good words.
Not squaring on his shots drives me nuts, but I am old school, What he does have to do is use his legs, elevate and get some arc. That was stated in this thread. And follow your ****ing shot.
His defensive footwork is still a problem as he reaches and leans. Take a look at the corner trap he and I think Malik set at the 10:00 mark..he strides into the ball handler and reaches badly which will be called in league play. He then quickly corrects, gets his legs squared into and under the ball handler and takes care of bidness.
He will get there and we are going to love him inthe second half of the season.
JMHO
Those are good words.
Not squaring on his shots drives me nuts, but I am old school, What he does have to do is use his legs, elevate and get some arc. That was stated in this thread. And follow your ****ing shot.
His defensive footwork is still a problem as he reaches and leans. Take a look at the corner trap he and I think Malik set at the 10:00 mark..he strides into the ball handler and reaches badly which will be called in league play. He then quickly corrects, gets his legs squared into and under the ball handler and takes care of bidness.
He will get there and we are going to love him inthe second half of the season.
JMHO
Really? Show us. "Troll" to be sure, not the other. Very ugly word, unworthy of any association with Indiana University.
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