Tae Davis to the portal
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It doesn’t have anything to do with the right Coach, it has to do with who will pay the most money! The NCAA has to come out with some Nil and transfer rules!
Hells yeah, let's get some restraint of trade up in here. I like my basketball with maximum financial exploitation
I would have it with the same rules that exist for nearly every other job--which is very few.
I don't want to get political, and I'm not saying you fall into one group or another, because I dont know you, but I find it hilarious when fiscal conservatives, who love free markets and hate regulations, also love "amateurism" which was the code name the NCAA used to impose so many regulations on college basketball markets that the workers literally could not get paid, in any way, for their work, other than a scholarship. And D3 kids couldn't even get that.
You’re missing my point, they should have to sign a contract just like the NBA players.
There needs to be some kind of structure.
Right now, IMO, it is better to be a college player than a NBA player. You can move every year and maximize your bottom line.
Any move to limit either goes to court within 5 minutes, and gets invalidated in 7 minutes.
An NBA player can sign 1 year deals and move every year if they want to. LeBron has been doing that for years. It's the younger players that want long term deals, as a hedge against career ending injuries.
The best college players have it better than the worst NBA players, but I don't think that's bad. The college talent pool cratered after kids started going straight to the NBA, and after the OAD rules. Paying them keeps some of them around.
Forget the NCAA. The players need to form a union, sit down at the bargaining table with the conferences, and come up with some sort of structure to bring order to this insanity. For the good of all. Otherwise, they kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
Why would the players want to do that?
The golden egg-laying goose is very healthy.
FWIW, the NCAA v Alston decision was unanimous at the court, and it was written by Justice Gorsuch.
That said, it doesn’t preclude the NCAA from instituting operating rules that would have the effect of muting the current free-for-all - which, frankly, is as much due to the transfer portal than NIL money.
The portal itself pre-dated Covid by a couple years. But the rule allowing transfers to play right away without missing any time was instituted in the wake of COVID.
Personally, I think they need to revisit those rules. Because the current situation is a mess. It’s like the NBA, except every player is a free agent every year.
With the money, perhaps. But Alston didn’t have anything to say about transfer rules and eligibility.
Those may also be challenged under antitrust laws. But they’d have to be.
For the good of the game in it's entirety. How many players are actually making NIL money? Do we really want D2 to become a farm system for the big boys? It's unsustainable. Eventually it will implode.
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NIL wasn’t constructed to pay student athletes like they’re professionals. It was to give them extra money while attending college. They need to limit how much they get per year and then you wouldn’t have all the transfer bullshit.
Exactly. It would be nice to restore some order to this insanity.
We played like we had a union shop this year. One or Two guys hustled while the other Three stood around and watched... 😉
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I'll be here all night...
Nonsense. NIL wasn't constructed for the NCAA. It's existed for decades in every other profession. The NCAA banned it because the schools didn't want to pay their players.
It had nothing to do with "extra money while attending college." Most NCAA athletes receive no NIL.
Limit their money? Heh. Maybe we should limit how much CEO's can make every year. Or coaches.
Actually, if you read the Alston decision, it kinda did..in the sense that it linked the right to compensation to education-related purposes. In fact, Gorsuch even made note in his opinion that its scope wasn’t as broad as some wanted.
I think a lot of people have nonetheless interpreted it to be as broad as the court deliberately said it wasn’t.
However, that’s not to say that there won’t ever be further challenges seeking that breadth.
Basically, yes. And the complaints themselves actually began with non-cash compensation - but the Sherman Antitrust Act application didn’t limit its protections to that.
However, one of the key ideas in Alston is what constitutes a compensable education-related activity under the appeals court ruling it upheld.
The decision itself didn’t go as far as most people think it did. However, because a number of states were already considering legislation pertaining to athlete compensation, the NCAA decided to essentially treat it as it did…so as to keep a uniform national standard.
Guess I just disagree. Can’t see it imploding.
There will be a smaller number of highly-competitive programs, but that doesn’t portend implosion, IMO.
D3 sports don't make any money though. They really don't even try. I've never paid admission to a D3 sports event, and that includes Football. If they do it covers some small fraction of their expenses.
Lots of businesses don't make money. But that doesn't mean it's okay to not pay their labor costs.
The NCAA is in a difficult position because if they do create new NIL and transfer rules, players will sue the NCAA (again), and the courts will most likely side with the players. There is a salary cap in the NBA and I imagine there is (or will be) a revenue sharing cap too. But, there is no NIL cap in the NBA. If Nike wants to pay someone a billion dollars to wear their shoes, the NBA can't interfere.
It's a different era, and I'm thankful that IU is in position to benefit.
With Haralson and Burton on the roster next year, they might be the only two to touch the ball next season.
D3 players are "paid" with the opportunity to continue to play a sport that they love in an organized program with hopefully somewhat-competent coaching. The whole complaint that resulted in NIL and now revenue share is that D1 players were generating huge profits for the schools and getting no cut in that. That's not at all the case in D3 sports. There's no money being made.
Have seen reports of contracts signed for the upcoming football season with schools in anticipation of the House decision. But basketball players did not sign contracts with schools. Any contracts would possibly have been with collectives or other for “earning” their NIL through appearances, social, etc. Not pay to play.
Here is what I would like to see. Get rid of the transfer rule. Bring back having to sit for a year if you transfer and then it could clean up some of this team hopping we see. It is basically free agency every year. Also the rule should be you transfer once and only once.
IU and many others are trying to get nil contracts done before the April deadline for this reason.
Yeah…not going to happen. Anything that hinders NIL will be struck down. It has already.
Right. They sign contracts with the people who pay them. So the claim that they don't is incorrect.
Lol. Slaves in the south in the 1800's were "paid" with room, board, and the "opportunity" to work off plantation on Sundays.
IF that's your definition of being "paid."
Schools in D3 make plenty of money off collegiate athletics--mainly through tuition and room and board.
I'm not saying there should be a revenue share in D3. They don't generate TV revenue. But if D3 schools want to compete for the best kids available by offering full or partial scholarships, they should be allowed to do so. And some really do want to. The practice of scholarship masking is commonly known among D3 athletes. And those kids, if they have an NIL thats worth something, they should be able to profit from it.
If the market says a signed picture of TJD is worth something, let him sell it and make money. No one bats an eye when Kate Upton does it.
If a D3 kid is good enough to compete in a regional golf tour that plays on the weekends, where he might win smallish cash prizes, he should be allowed.
