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Our situation is a bit different...

Kid's "moved up the ladder" from small Bloomington club, to ECNL club (Pride). Plays both RL and NL, but mostly as the Alpha on the RL, with spot pull-ups on the NL squad for showcases, etc. Has a handful of goals playing NL. Set Bloomington South varsity record for goals as a Freshman. All-Conf and All-Area First team as a Frosh as well. Baller at the RL level, and our RL team is good (won Ohio Valley ECRL last year, #5 ranked in state currently).

First Conference game from last Friday...



We've been taking her to ID camps from DIII to "Big 4" D1, and she just seems set on wanting D1 (quite honestly, I'd be fine with a Depauw, Hanover, Wash & Lee, or Sewanee, or the like). But she's motivated.

Our NL squad is top 25 nationally, easily best in state, and our two girls up top (kinda a #9 and #11) are Big 4 level D1 locks. Our kid may never get significant mins with the NL squad at the position she is a natural at as a tall, fast lefty that just finda a way to score. She loves the whole Pride 2010 crew (both NL and RL girls), and is insistent she doesn't want to move clubs.

That said, the stats are the stats. Given she wants to at least have solid looks from D1...do we stick with being a (potentially) All-Conf star on a playoff-level RL squad, or look at trying to make the NL team at Fire or Racing Louisville, or even Premier's GA team?



So...Lars, McM, Mark M (even though this is girls and slightly different from boys), or any others with valid experience in this "bind", what would you do? Good problem to have, I guess...but we're going to need to figure out a path sooner than later.
I don’t know girls but boys “big 4” is meaningless. The big ten is an avg at best conf. The national championship was Vermont vs marshal. So look at programs and schools and fit.

At her age she needs to play for the top club and top team possible. She’s in that recruiting period. She needs the highest level of competition. And whatever schools she’s interested hit their ID camp. Talk to the coaches at schools she likes. See where they will be. Get them videos
 
Reading all of the recent posts is interesting. Coming from a swimming background, most of it is very foreign to me.

Our daughter was in gymnastics, but reached the point where she had to decide between trying to go to the big program in town (led by a former US Olympic team coach) vs. staying low key and focus more on high school gymnastics. The former would have required home schooling given the extreme hours per day they practice. While she may have been good enough to make that team, genetics were working against her going much beyond just making the team. She's got a great build for a soccer player - which is not that great for a gymnast.

Most importantly, she loved the route she took (high school gymnastics) and has zero regrets.

I really wish youth sports coaches would come out and watch one of my son's sled hockey practices. Ages range from 5 to 70, with every ability you can imagine. Coaches are extremely positive in their approach, and teammates are over-the-top in being supportive of everyone. Does it work? Well, considering we have two members of the U.S. national teams and travel around the world playing, plus two more invited to national training camps for the U.S. national team, it would seem that it does. And there are at least two youth players on the team currently that I am certain will play on future U.S. national teams.

Sports should be fun above all else. And making it fun above all else does not limit success. Just ask Ben:

 
Reading all of the recent posts is interesting. Coming from a swimming background, most of it is very foreign to me.

Our daughter was in gymnastics, but reached the point where she had to decide between trying to go to the big program in town (led by a former US Olympic team coach) vs. staying low key and focus more on high school gymnastics. The former would have required home schooling given the extreme hours per day they practice. While she may have been good enough to make that team, genetics were working against her going much beyond just making the team. She's got a great build for a soccer player - which is not that great for a gymnast.

Most importantly, she loved the route she took (high school gymnastics) and has zero regrets.

I really wish youth sports coaches would come out and watch one of my son's sled hockey practices. Ages range from 5 to 70, with every ability you can imagine. Coaches are extremely positive in their approach, and teammates are over-the-top in being supportive of everyone. Does it work? Well, considering we have two members of the U.S. national teams and travel around the world playing, plus two more invited to national training camps for the U.S. national team, it would seem that it does. And there are at least two youth players on the team currently that I am certain will play on future U.S. national teams.

Sports should be fun above all else. And making it fun above all else does not limit success. Just ask Ben:

It’s so different now. A very close buddy of mine’s kid signed an mls homegrown contract over full rides to play D1. Georgetown. And a bunch of good academics ACC schools. Our team chat went round and round about it.
 
Reading all of the recent posts is interesting. Coming from a swimming background, most of it is very foreign to me.

Our daughter was in gymnastics, but reached the point where she had to decide between trying to go to the big program in town (led by a former US Olympic team coach) vs. staying low key and focus more on high school gymnastics. The former would have required home schooling given the extreme hours per day they practice. While she may have been good enough to make that team, genetics were working against her going much beyond just making the team. She's got a great build for a soccer player - which is not that great for a gymnast.

Most importantly, she loved the route she took (high school gymnastics) and has zero regrets.

I really wish youth sports coaches would come out and watch one of my son's sled hockey practices. Ages range from 5 to 70, with every ability you can imagine. Coaches are extremely positive in their approach, and teammates are over-the-top in being supportive of everyone. Does it work? Well, considering we have two members of the U.S. national teams and travel around the world playing, plus two more invited to national training camps for the U.S. national team, it would seem that it does. And there are at least two youth players on the team currently that I am certain will play on future U.S. national teams.

Sports should be fun above all else. And making it fun above all else does not limit success. Just ask Ben:

That sled hockey is awesome!!!
 
Our situation is a bit different...

Kid's "moved up the ladder" from small Bloomington club, to ECNL club (Pride). Plays both RL and NL, but mostly as the Alpha on the RL, with spot pull-ups on the NL squad for showcases, etc. Has a handful of goals playing NL. Set Bloomington South varsity record for goals as a Freshman. All-Conf and All-Area First team as a Frosh as well. Baller at the RL level, and our RL team is good (won Ohio Valley ECRL last year, #5 ranked in state currently).

First Conference game from last Friday...



We've been taking her to ID camps from DIII to "Big 4" D1, and she just seems set on wanting D1 (quite honestly, I'd be fine with a Depauw, Hanover, Wash & Lee, or Sewanee, or the like). But she's motivated.

Our NL squad is top 25 nationally, easily best in state, and our two girls up top (kinda a #9 and #11) are Big 4 level D1 locks. Our kid may never get significant mins with the NL squad at the position she is a natural at as a tall, fast lefty that just finda a way to score. She loves the whole Pride 2010 crew (both NL and RL girls), and is insistent she doesn't want to move clubs.

That said, the stats are the stats. Given she wants to at least have solid looks from D1...do we stick with being a (potentially) All-Conf star on a playoff-level RL squad, or look at trying to make the NL team at Fire or Racing Louisville, or even Premier's GA team?



So...Lars, McM, Mark M (even though this is girls and slightly different from boys), or any others with valid experience in this "bind", what would you do? Good problem to have, I guess...but we're going to need to figure out a path sooner than later.
My kid is still getting recruiting emails non stop. It's annoying. She got one from Iowa State. LIke, wtf.

I would get to as many college showcase events as you can. They really (coaches and assistants) show up for that shit. Plus most of the games (as you know) are recorded and that get shiopped out to the coaches as well.

Also, I tihnk my daughter struggled with confidence b/c they kept trying to make her a striker. Which made sense as she's strong, fast and not technical enough to play in the midfield (although I think she would have been a great 6). She did score a lot of goals but she was always dependent on service or through balls. If she got her shoulder in fronto f the defender it was over.

Her last year of club they moved her to outside back. She excelled as she'd also played as a wing (great crosser, powerful). But the light was fading at that point. I think if she had been made to develop as a 6 or outside back that might have kept her more engaged but oh well. She's got 5 colleges to choose from and she's getting some money from a couple for academics.

I'm with you though, the only thing that kills me is she wasted ability that I never had and I've always wished I did. Hard thing to let go but it's best for her to find what she likes and not just try to make me happy.
 
I don’t know girls but boys “big 4” is meaningless. The big ten is an avg at best conf. The national championship was Vermont vs marshal. So look at programs and schools and fit.

At her age she needs to play for the top club and top team possible. She’s in that recruiting period. She needs the highest level of competition. And whatever schools she’s interested hit their ID camp. Talk to the coaches at schools she likes. See where they will be. Get them videos
Little different on the "Big 4" in Women's soccer v Men's. It's like "Big 4" in Football...because you have all the SEC teams and their facilities/money. There's a couple non-Big 4 in there, but it's not like the Men's.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-women/d1/ncaa-womens-soccer-rpi

That said, I think Big 4 would be a stretch for her...but Miami (OH), Belmont, Bellarmine, ISU, Eville...something like that...possibly attainable.

Just started her Instagram page for soccer highlights only...I'll send it to you. She scores all the time so plenty of highlights, and there are more...just gotta go through all the old videos and figure out how to edit them. Wife has gotten into video editing of late, we'll see how that goes. 😁
 
Little different on the "Big 4" in Women's soccer v Men's. It's like "Big 4" in Football...because you have all the SEC teams and their facilities/money. There's a couple non-Big 4 in there, but it's not like the Men's.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-women/d1/ncaa-womens-soccer-rpi

That said, I think Big 4 would be a stretch for her...but Miami (OH), Belmont, Bellarmine, ISU, Eville...something like that...possibly attainable.

Just started her Instagram page for soccer highlights only...I'll send it to you. She scores all the time so plenty of highlights, and there are more...just gotta go through all the old videos and figure out how to edit them. Wife has gotten into video editing of late, we'll see how that goes. 😁
That makes sense re the sec etc for girls. . on men’s side those few with teams play all over. Kentucky plays in the fun belt.

There are services that will make videos like that. Maybe $300. Worth it!! Just say you don’t need college planning bullshit. You only want the video
 
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Reading all of the recent posts is interesting. Coming from a swimming background, most of it is very foreign to me.

Our daughter was in gymnastics, but reached the point where she had to decide between trying to go to the big program in town (led by a former US Olympic team coach) vs. staying low key and focus more on high school gymnastics. The former would have required home schooling given the extreme hours per day they practice. While she may have been good enough to make that team, genetics were working against her going much beyond just making the team. She's got a great build for a soccer player - which is not that great for a gymnast.

Most importantly, she loved the route she took (high school gymnastics) and has zero regrets.

I really wish youth sports coaches would come out and watch one of my son's sled hockey practices. Ages range from 5 to 70, with every ability you can imagine. Coaches are extremely positive in their approach, and teammates are over-the-top in being supportive of everyone. Does it work? Well, considering we have two members of the U.S. national teams and travel around the world playing, plus two more invited to national training camps for the U.S. national team, it would seem that it does. And there are at least two youth players on the team currently that I am certain will play on future U.S. national teams.

Sports should be fun above all else. And making it fun above all else does not limit success. Just ask Ben:

What is the best dry land routine for high schoolers in your opinion? He (15yr) is doing mostly 100 fly, 200 IM, and the fly on relays at meets fwiw. Let's say if there are 3 heats...he is in the 2nd heat.....
 
That sled hockey is awesome!!!
World Cup is in Buffalo in May. Will be an absolute war between the U.S. and Canada. Canada beat the U.S. last year in the Para Cup. I believe it was their first win over the U.S. in several years. The U.S. has won the last three World Cups (they have it every other year).

I saw some of the Four Nations hockey last night (US, Canada, Sweden, and Finland). It is replacing the NHL all-star game this year and is being held in Canada. Last night was Canada v. Sweden and before the game they introduced some stars (retired?) from each country. I missed who they introduced for the U.S. - couldn't hear his name over the boos. Should be wild when the U.S. plays Canada Saturday night. (U.S. plays Finland tonight.)

 
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World Cup is in Buffalo in May. Will be an absolute war between the U.S. and Canada. Canada beat the U.S. last year in the Para Cup. I believe it was their first win over the U.S. in several years. The U.S. has won the last three World Cups (they have it every other year).

I saw some of the Four Nations hockey last night (US, Canada, Sweden, and Finland). It is replacing the NHL all-star game this year and is being held in Canada. Last night was Canada v. Sweden and before the game they introduced some stars (retired?) from each country. I missed who they introduced for the U.S. - couldn't hear his name over the boos. Should be wild when the U.S. plays Canada Saturday night. (U.S. plays Finland tonight.)

Are you going to go to buffalo to check it out?

Goalie for the blues was in the nets so I tuned in for a bit. Crosby I think was on the third line 🤣. Canada is insanely stacked
 
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My kid is still getting recruiting emails non stop. It's annoying. She got one from Iowa State. LIke, wtf.

I would get to as many college showcase events as you can. They really (coaches and assistants) show up for that shit. Plus most of the games (as you know) are recorded and that get shiopped out to the coaches as well.

Also, I tihnk my daughter struggled with confidence b/c they kept trying to make her a striker. Which made sense as she's strong, fast and not technical enough to play in the midfield (although I think she would have been a great 6). She did score a lot of goals but she was always dependent on service or through balls. If she got her shoulder in fronto f the defender it was over.

Her last year of club they moved her to outside back. She excelled as she'd also played as a wing (great crosser, powerful). But the light was fading at that point. I think if she had been made to develop as a 6 or outside back that might have kept her more engaged but oh well. She's got 5 colleges to choose from and she's getting some money from a couple for academics.

I'm with you though, the only thing that kills me is she wasted ability that I never had and I've always wished I did. Hard thing to let go but it's best for her to find what she likes and not just try to make me happy.
Sounds like we have the same player...but in reverse.

Ours has always been an #11 with a thunderbolt left.

Ralph Richards, who is the ECNL Girls commissioner, and recently won a Natty with Gallagher in STL, moved over last year to try and take our 2010's to a Natty. I think he likes our kid as one of those attacking left wingbacks that can handle the ball, and then sling crosses from outside the third with ease...but she's a bit inexperienced on the defensive side. She's one of those princesses that likes to be up front. 😁

I'm just not sure if she'll get meaningful looks/time with our NL where she likes to play.

And yeah, she played with the NL's at ECNL Nationals last summer in Seattle...and her email Inbox stated getting blown up by every school in the country. 😁 Was hilarious.

We're doing the ID camps on any off-weekend this year. Actually kinda fun to do. I'm one of those parents that checks her into the camp, finds the local bars/scene and does my own 'campus tour", then comes back to watch the final scrimmages at the end of the day. The "Gray Lady"...a Legion Field homage bar in Tuscaloosa...pure greatness. 😁
 
Kids these days have a much harder time growing up than we ever did. The distractions in life are enormous. Social media could not be more of kick in the gut to these kids with the constant pressure it puts on them. Boys, as a general matter, are far more immature than girls. My take on this stuff is that kids know when they didn't play well, or play hard. I tried my best to be postive, but I didn't have to say "you played like dog doo doo today"--they already knew. They want to play well, do well, and look good for their friends. Youth is a wonderful time to make mistakes and grow. My kids trusted me to the point where they know I was a football and baseball guy, but I knew the game of soccer, and they would occassionally ask for a tip or two. They would then go out in the backyard and work on something or to the school and go play on their own or play small sided games with their friends. Point being, they will ultimately figure it out, but I didn't want to take away the joy of playing. Kid 1 started to feel a bit of burn out in his last season this year--4 years of college playing and starting for 3 1/2 years is a lot. I said one thing to him--"I get it, it looks like you are getting burned out". He said yah, "kind of". My response was simple one "you owe it to your teammates and coach to be the same guy you were the last 3 1/2 years." No yelling, no participation trophy, just a matter of fact reality check. He got it.

My wife once gave me a some good advice when the boys were younger "make sure you are doing this for them and not for you". The doing this was the taking them to extra trainings, knocking the ball around in the backyard, etc". She had a point that I needed to ponder. You can't make @mcmurtry66 love an obese woman no matter how hard you try and make him. Square peg in a round hole.
The "doing it for them" part, with sports, is easy for me now. I've had a pretty good handle on my kid's relative pecking order since he was 7, in terms of sports (still not sure about academically given the relative worthlessness of grades in today's system). I don't care if he is a sports star. But he really wants to be on the high school team and he is going to be crushed when he doesn't make it. The problem is, he thinks by just showing up he'll improve enough. He won't.

An analogy: in schools, we have kids show up to 9th grade reading at 6th or 7th grade reading levels vs. 12th grade reading levels. Some of that is innate ability. Some of that is time spent previously in life. But then progressives in education gnash their teeth about this and blame it on the high school if the kid doesn't perform well by the time they leave high school because they think just spending time in the correctly designed class or with the right 1-on-1 instructor is all that is required (this is especially true if the gap is racially disproportionate but weirdly, not if it is disproportionately male). The fact of the matter, though, is that a kid that's behind has to work harder to catch up to his classmates. Is it fair? I don't know. But it is reality. The same goes for sports. (As does the fact that there is a particular level you will never reach without innate talent).
 
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The "doing it for them" part, with sports, is easy for me now. I've had a pretty good handle on my kid's relative pecking order since he was 7, in terms of sports (still not sure about academically given the relative worthlessness of grades in today's system). I don't care if he is a sports star. But he really wants to be on the high school team and he is going to be crushed when he doesn't make it. The problem is, he thinks by just showing up he'll improve enough. He won't.

An analogy: in schools, we have kids show up to 9th grade reading at 6th or 7th grade reading levels vs. 12th grade reading levels. Some of that is innate ability. Some of that is time spent previously in life. But then progressives in education gnash their teeth about this and blame it on the high school if the kid doesn't perform well by the time they leave high school because they think just spending time in the correctly designed class or with the right 1-on-1 instructor is all that is required (this is especially true if the gap is racially disproportionate but weirdly, not if it is disproportionately male). The fact of the matter, though, is that a kid that's behind has to work harder to catch up to his classmates. Is it fair? I don't know. But it is reality. The same goes for sports. (As does the fact that there is a particular level you will never reach without innate talent).
1. If he doesn’t want to work like a maniac practicing on his own he has zero business being crushed. There’s a lesson there for him.
2. I keep hearing about this grade inflation. Somehow I never see it reflected on my daughter’s report cards. Hmmmm. That’s troubling
 
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She was from a young age in Carmel FC which is a lower level club but they had a really good group of girls that stayed together and one of the dad's (former DI player himself) coached for free. This is how Carmel FC was always a cheaper option. They've never (well at least until 2021) had paid coaches. Very community based program, etc.

That team started to disintegrate as they got into highschool (7 player rule - from one high school - in their league) Well, most of the girls went to Carmel so, that was pretty much it. She then went to Indy Premier. I think that played a part (although her conditioning was SHIT) and the final nail for her b/c, again, those teams had been together for a while and spots were limited. She made it but it was different for her.

Again, I think she loved the team she played for (CFC) unitl about freshman year. She played really well freshman year but that summer between freshman and sophomore year was the one where she figured out boys and it all went to hell. She played highschool her sophomore year nad then stayed with her club team through Juniior year (but didn't play highschool). Her biggest motivation at the end was the social aspect.

I don't doubt she'll play some intermural (coed of course) in college. She still wants to play. It's an odd thing. She surely doesn't want to put in the time and energy for conditioning (and she has the body tyope where she has to do it consciously, she's no Fred - in fact she could probably beat him up). There was a point where I realized she wasn't really putting her heart in to it and we had the talk. I think she knows she kinda ****ed up an opportunity b/c of her inate athlectic ability but, as murt said, if your heart isn't in it.....
When did the "if your heart isn't in it" phrase catch on, do you think? Did people 100 years ago think that way? 1000 years ago?

I ask, because I was listening to a podcast about Alexander the Great. Aristotle had taught him that the best way to live your life was to find what you were good at and then develop your talent the best you can and that will provide happiness or the good life (I didn't double check this v. the Nichomachean Ethics, but I will, and it is very consistent with virtue ethics in general). It may just be a story attributed to Aristotle, later from the Greek or Roman historians but that would still be an indication that that kind of ethos was a popular or dominant one in the classical era.

This is a constant doubt I have as to how to raise my kids. Do you encourage them to follow their heart, even if it leads to a $100K art history degree or a tatted up loser who drives a crotch rocket? Or do you advise them to develop a talent they already possess, even if it isn't something they want now. One problem is, we don't really know what we're going to like, or even who we are going to be, when we become adults.

Life is hard.
 
Played with Jurgen in a Bloomington South golf scramble down here last year. Buddy of mine coached his kid Tommy in youth baseball at some level. I thought he was a cool guy...like what he's trying to do at Carmel as far as not getting caught up in the arm's race.

I know this might sound over-dramatic, but your story just saddens me a bit, from a dad who likes seeing their kid compete standpoint. Obviously know the "I'm just not into it anymore" is always a possibility...but given all the memories provided via the high-level club experience, just gives me a feeling of dread having to potentially walk away someday.

I'm pulling for your kid to find the love of the game again...even if it's just coaching young girls during/after college or whatever. We had a group of girls working at the country club last year that played IU Club soccer, were obviously ballers in HS, and were just the coolest crew of girls.
You get great memories from low-level club or just park district experience, too.
 
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When did the "if your heart isn't in it" phrase catch on, do you think? Did people 100 years ago think that way? 1000 years ago?

I ask, because I was listening to a podcast about Alexander the Great. Aristotle had taught him that the best way to live your life was to find what you were good at and then develop your talent the best you can and that will provide happiness or the good life (I didn't double check this v. the Nichomachean Ethics, but I will, and it is very consistent with virtue ethics in general). It may just be a story attributed to Aristotle, later from the Greek or Roman historians but that would still be an indication that that kind of ethos was a popular or dominant one in the classical era.

This is a constant doubt I have as to how to raise my kids. Do you encourage them to follow their heart, even if it leads to a $100K art history degree or a tatted up loser who drives a crotch rocket? Or do you advise them to develop a talent they already possess, even if it isn't something they want now. One problem is, we don't really know what we're going to like, or even who we are going to be, when we become adults.

Life is hard.
Me, everytime you mention Nichomachean Ethics:

lewd funny sex GIF
 
1. If he doesn’t want to work like a maniac practicing on his own he has zero business being crushed. There’s a lesson there for him.
2. I keep hearing about this grade inflation. Somehow I never see it reflected on my daughter’s report cards. Hmmmm. That’s troubling
I'd never "crush" my kid, Mcmurt. Not in me.

Re grades, ask your kid's school what % of kids are getting A's or all A's. That will give you some good info.
 
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When did the "if your heart isn't in it" phrase catch on, do you think? Did people 100 years ago think that way? 1000 years ago?

I ask, because I was listening to a podcast about Alexander the Great. Aristotle had taught him that the best way to live your life was to find what you were good at and then develop your talent the best you can and that will provide happiness or the good life (I didn't double check this v. the Nichomachean Ethics, but I will, and it is very consistent with virtue ethics in general). It may just be a story attributed to Aristotle, later from the Greek or Roman historians but that would still be an indication that that kind of ethos was a popular or dominant one in the classical era.

This is a constant doubt I have as to how to raise my kids. Do you encourage them to follow their heart, even if it leads to a $100K art history degree or a tatted up loser who drives a crotch rocket? Or do you advise them to develop a talent they already possess, even if it isn't something they want now. One problem is, we don't really know what we're going to like, or even who we are going to be, when we become adults.

Life is hard.
When did the "if your heart isn't in it" phrase catch on, do you think? Did people 100 years ago think that way? 1000 years ago?

I ask, because I was listening to a podcast about Alexander the Great. Aristotle had taught him that the best way to live your life was to find what you were good at and then develop your talent the best you can and that will provide happiness or the good life (I didn't double check this v. the Nichomachean Ethics, but I will, and it is very consistent with virtue ethics in general). It may just be a story attributed to Aristotle, later from the Greek or Roman historians but that would still be an indication that that kind of ethos was a popular or dominant one in the classical era.

This is a constant doubt I have as to how to raise my kids. Do you encourage them to follow their heart, even if it leads to a $100K art history degree or a tatted up loser who drives a crotch rocket? Or do you advise them to develop a talent they already possess, even if it isn't something they want now. One problem is, we don't really know what we're going to like, or even who we are going to be, when we become adults.

Life is hard.
Your kids are into shit. Get good grades. Have hobbies and interests. Whatever they choose they’ll make it work
 
When did the "if your heart isn't in it" phrase catch on, do you think? Did people 100 years ago think that way? 1000 years ago?

I ask, because I was listening to a podcast about Alexander the Great. Aristotle had taught him that the best way to live your life was to find what you were good at and then develop your talent the best you can and that will provide happiness or the good life (I didn't double check this v. the Nichomachean Ethics, but I will, and it is very consistent with virtue ethics in general). It may just be a story attributed to Aristotle, later from the Greek or Roman historians but that would still be an indication that that kind of ethos was a popular or dominant one in the classical era.

This is a constant doubt I have as to how to raise my kids. Do you encourage them to follow their heart, even if it leads to a $100K art history degree or a tatted up loser who drives a crotch rocket? Or do you advise them to develop a talent they already possess, even if it isn't something they want now. One problem is, we don't really know what we're going to like, or even who we are going to be, when we become adults.

Life is hard.
That phrase for me was really about telling her to find something she likes and dig into it. She's good at math but wants to be a lawyer. I told her that's fine but her undergrad should really be something focused on math, and not mathematics per se but something like Finance, Accounting, etc. If you still want to be a lawyer after undergrad, cool, but you'll have knowledge in your back pocket to either use exclusively from a law degree or in tandem with it.

The Japanese have a completely different view in that if you have a job, whether you like it or not, you should excel at it b/c not doing so is dishonorable and makes you of little value to you family and community.

Or we could just follow Marcus Aurelius and just suffer more.
 
That phrase for me was really about telling her to find something she likes and dig into it. She's good at math but wants to be a lawyer. I told her that's fine but her undergrad should really be something focused on math, and not mathematics per se but something like Finance, Accounting, etc. If you still want to be a lawyer after undergrad, cool, but you'll have knowledge in your back pocket to either use exclusively from a law degree or in tandem with it.

The Japanese have a completely different view in that if you have a job, whether you like it or not, you should excel at it b/c not doing so is dishonorable and makes you of little value to you family and community.

Or we could just follow Marcus Aurelius and just suffer more.
You are blessed
 
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Saw some kids out in Aspen playing that just this week on that rink in the center of town. Didn't know it was a thing. Those kids could move. Looked like "Murderball" on ice. Legit!!

It is a bit similar to murder ball, although the rules are identical to standup hockey (other than the additional penalty of t-boning). Period are 15 minutes as opposed to 20, I think in part because it is more taxing than standup hockey and because sled hockey teams often do not have as many players. There are fights from time to time, but there is an unwritten rule that you don't use the metal picks on the end of your sticks in a fight. (But I have seen dirty play during the game that involves the picks in subtle ways.) The top player on our team (from the video I linked) can hit 30+ mph on the ice, and can put the puck in the upper corner of the net from center ice (sitting down, using one arm and a stick about 30 inches long. Sled hockey shots can be 70+ mph. (NHL average is ~100 mph.)
 
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