Shooting at Greenwood Mall
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The official count is now three dead, and the shooter was killed by a good samaritan.
Has any of these shooters been killed be a regular guy carrying? If there is any good in this, I am glad someone with a gun had the balls to do something. I mean at this point I carry a gun everywhere, and pray to god I could do the same if put in that situation.
I dunno how anyone can argue there needs to be huge regulations for firearms. I think you should be able to carry, but mandatory yearly classes and tests need to be taken. How is it easier to get a gun than a drivers license?
I dunno how anyone can argue there needs to be huge regulations for firearms. I think you should be able to carry, but mandatory yearly classes and tests need to be taken. How is it easier to get a gun than a drivers license?
Yes. Many. The ones who haven’t are mostly in gun free zones. Regulations won’t stop guys like this. A lot of states already give mandatory classes(Kentucky is one).
You'd rather that the good guy had waited for the police???!!!???
U R not A smarttt man...
If I or any of my loved ones had been on site I'd be praying for a legally carrying good guy to take action... I be happy if an illegally carrying one stepped in and stopped the bad guy for that matter...
The cops are, in reality, nearly always reactive and unless they're literally initially engaged on site are nearly always late..., and that includes even the ones with guts...
If you chose to be a sheep that's an invidual choice but if you cruise around with that head in the clouds approach you'd best pray there's a Sheep Dog nearby when something like this goes down...
You know, this one had an ending that saved lives (at least initially). No one can deny that.
My concern is that the young man gets a bunch of positive publicity which prompts a bunch of yahoos to carry guns to be a wild west good guy.
The net result is more lives lost.
The only answer is less guns...not more guns.
My concern is that the young man gets a bunch of positive publicity which prompts a bunch of yahoos to carry guns to be a wild west good guy.
The net result is more lives lost.
The only answer is less guns...not more guns.
Happens a Lot more often than I bet you're aware of (good guys with guns ending things early); it just doesn't make the National news regularly because it doesn't fit their all guns are bad as are all those who own them narrative...
The weapon is just a tool... The determining factor in how it's used is the upbringing, mental health, and training of the one using it...
The fanatsy of "getting rid of guns" and keeping them from otherwise sane law abiding citizens only ensures that Only those who are already completely comfortable with breaking the law will have them and that conclusion didn't take a decades long government funded study or a Phd in Sociology for me to arrive at...
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Let’s think this through. Because we have a societal problem of people with guns killing is mass shooting incidents, we need more people with guns to kill the mass shooters. That’s pretty messed up.
Excellent post.
I’ll take this a step further. Some will argue that this could deter future gunman. To that, I say hogwash. Many, if not most, of these shooters have no plan to escape alive.
And the good guys with guns are there to help expedite that plan, so that others can get out alive. Good point!
Yes it is. People choose not to accept and face reality though. The insane doesn’t care about consequences. I never thought of carrying but I was forced to. It was no longer a choice in my mind. I grew up around guns but never worshiped or collected. It was tool. Now it’s like carrying a wallet. Your post really made me think about that too.
That’s the conundrum. Less guns in that moment equals more victims. It hurts me to say and imply what that means. Plus…anyone making arguments about this deterring insane people is just dumb. I’ll take a legal trigger happy guy over nothing at all at this point. Sad to say.
Not sure how you measure a stat like that. You can look this up and find story after story. He’s right though. Anti gun and gun nuts are pretty similar. Leaves the middle guy out to dry.
It was a road rage incident and my wife got robbed too. Both very close together. I won’t get into it or argue. I’d had enough of being helpless. Both were probably on something. The police were no help either. They did absolutely nothing.
Why wouldn't there be documentation? How many good guy (non-police officer) with gun have stopped bad guy with gun situations have there been this year? This decade? Break it down by year. I am interested...not looking to argue.
I can’t. The problem is assumption. You can’t measure things like that. We assume the shooter would’ve killed more.
That's terrible and scary. I'm glad you are both okay (I hope), and glad you took steps for your peace of mind.
Well, to be fair, I was asking 76-1, who made the claim. He should be able to provide numbers. I was interested.
Believe me. I didn’t want to. I owned 2 guns at that point. A hunting shotgun and a 9mm for home defense. No conceal carry in my 45 years. Never even thought of getting one. Now we both legally carry. I don’t really like it either.
You know how to use Google as well as I do... Knock yourself out... I know I've been made aware of multiple instances that never made the National news over the past several years...
Sorry fella, although it my seem like it I don't spend every waking minute on here...
As I told him feel free to Google it...
I think part of the problem is that guns are glorified to be more than just a tool. Too many people see guns as power, and as giving them the power they do not have. We don't see a lot of problems with hammers. We don't even see a lot of problems with bombs, the weapon of choice of crazed terrorists in other parts of the world.
The mass shootings (we still don't know why Greenwood Mall happened) are different from the drug-related shootings common in cities. But maybe in the mass shootings, we could have an impact by eliminating the thought of the gun as something more than just a dumb tool.
Some would say that in the drug related gun crime the gun IS being used as a tool. The gun doesn't have morals or an ethical code. It is a tool.
The question remains, what kinds of tools should people be legally able to obtain. I would say AR's need to go.
Maybe. They aren’t anymore glorified than they were in early westerns. (Except video games). We do have parent/child relationship problems. You also have to understand that if you take away the gun then those others you mention will probably become a problem. Guns are still the tool of choice. Is mental health the bigger problem? Not sure.
ARs aren’t a style. It’s a type. Many types fit what an AR is. It’s a can of worms.
Just for discussion purposes here are a few articles I found in less then 30 minutes in regard to this expanded topic:
www.police1.com
m.washingtontimes.com
Their are no valid statistics kept at the national level on this topic but I can tell you that I regularly read via multiple sources what seems to me to be an occurrence of a legal gun owner stoping a crime on a frequency of approximately 3 per month and I'm not searching for those articles... You do the math... And no I'm not going to cite my sources..., so give it a rest...
You guys want to live in your fantasy land utopia where all criminals actually have a heart of gold just waiting to have their feelings soothed.... I'm all for you, and sincerely wish you the best of luck... You'll need it... Hope myself or someone like me is there to bail you out when the time comes and your fantasy criminal turns evil monster on you...
///- Don't expect the rest of us to disarm ourselves because we see things a little more clearly than you do...
It's dangerous out there and it's getting worse not better... -///
Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?
When it comes to reducing gun violence in America, nobody else in the country has anything close to the experience-based perspective from which cops can speak
www.police1.com
Gun Owners of America: Guns save lives every day
Nearly 90% of police say mass shootings would be reduced or avoided altogether by the presence of legally armed citizens, says Gun Owners of America
www.usatoday.com
11 times a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy, saving lives - Photos - Washington Times
With tragic events such as the shooting of a bible study group at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, the stories of heroic self defense and lives saved by legal gun owners are often overlooked. Here are just a few stories of law-abiding citizens using guns to defend themselves against...
Their are no valid statistics kept at the national level on this topic but I can tell you that I regularly read via multiple sources what seems to me to be an occurrence of a legal gun owner stoping a crime on a frequency of approximately 3 per month and I'm not searching for those articles... You do the math... And no I'm not going to cite my sources..., so give it a rest...
You guys want to live in your fantasy land utopia where all criminals actually have a heart of gold just waiting to have their feelings soothed.... I'm all for you, and sincerely wish you the best of luck... You'll need it... Hope myself or someone like me is there to bail you out when the time comes and your fantasy criminal turns evil monster on you...
///- Don't expect the rest of us to disarm ourselves because we see things a little more clearly than you do...
It's dangerous out there and it's getting worse not better... -///
I get it and I'm not the one to write those regulations. But there are smart people who could. There is no one "fix" for this but many things working in tandem (I think mental health services are probably #1 but I don't know how we get rid of social media and shit that just f*cks kids up).
Wouldn’t the opposite be MORE messed up?
Because we have a societal problem of people with guns killing in mass shooting incidents, we need less people with guns to protect innocent people from mass shooters.
You made the claim. I just assumed you had the data to back it up. I really was interested in knowing how many incidents had happened over time, and I guess I just thought you would have the info at the ready.
My bad.
Thank you.Just for discussion purposes here are a few articles I found in less then 30 minutes in regard to this expanded topic:
Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?
When it comes to reducing gun violence in America, nobody else in the country has anything close to the experience-based perspective from which cops can speak
Gun Owners of America: Guns save lives every day
Nearly 90% of police say mass shootings would be reduced or avoided altogether by the presence of legally armed citizens, says Gun Owners of Americawww.usatoday.com
11 times a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy, saving lives - Photos - Washington Times
With tragic events such as the shooting of a bible study group at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, the stories of heroic self defense and lives saved by legal gun owners are often overlooked. Here are just a few stories of law-abiding citizens using guns to defend themselves against...
Their are no valid statistics kept at the national level on this topic but I can tell you that I regularly read via multiple sources what seems to me to be an occurrence of a legal gun owner stoping a crime on a frequency of approximately 3 per month and I'm not searching for those articles... You do the math... And no I'm not going to cite my sources..., so give it a rest...
You guys want to live in your fantasy land utopia where all criminals actually have a heart of gold just waiting to have their feelings soothed.... I'm all for you, and sincerely wish you the best of luck... You'll need it... Hope myself or someone like me is there to bail you out when the time comes and your fantasy criminal turns evil monster on you...
///- Don't expect the rest of us to disarm ourselves because we see things a little more clearly than you do...
It's dangerous out there and it's getting worse not better... -///
So, why was the ISP against the Constitutional carry law passed in Indiana?
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Because now they can’t pull up in a traffic stop knowing if you have a weapon. It is a sticky situation. It’s just another tool taken away.
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You seem to be a bit sensitive to being asked a question, especially about revealing your "sources". I really am interested in how many non-cop good guys with guns are stopping bad guys with guns. The one article listed 11...and some of those were cops/security guards.
I truly find it hard to believe there is no actual data on this topic, and I don't think asking for it means I'm in some sort of utopian fantasy. I mean, Law Enforcement Agencies keep stats on everything...why not the number of times an innocent bystander with a gun was able to ward off a bad guy and save the day?
I'm very happy the guy in Greenwood was able to use his legal firearm to shoot the POS who was firing on a crowd of people in the food court of the mall. I would think this incident will end up in a national police database.
And your contention that incidents like this aren't reported in the national news is bullshit. Here is a quote from the article in that commie socialist left-wing liberal fake news website, cnn.com:
From Greenwood Police Chief Jim Ison:
"But I'm going to tell you, the real hero of the day is the citizen that was lawfully carrying a firearm in that food court and was able to stop this shooter almost as soon as he began," Ison said.
