SCt orders admin to facilitate return of wrongly deported Maryland man
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This analogy is not correct. You can absolutely call the cops and have them removed and charged with trespassing. The proper equivalent would be that those 2000 illegals see the cops and scatter, so the police go around and round up every Hispanic looking person in town and charge them with trespassing.
I mean, if one of those guys was never on the farm and the only law he broke was a speeding ticket from 15 years ago, the greater good has still been achieved, right?
Something to remember, entering the country is a misdemeanor (for a first offense). Technically, you getting caught speeding 20mph over the speed limit is a greater offense than entering the country illegally.
You missed the point. If the laws are applied the way the court ruled, they couldn't be removed until they have their day in court.
And there are plenty of examples where squatters cannot be removed without a court order.
Have you ever tried to get anyone evicted from a rental?
You are mixing scenarios.
Trespassing on owned / occupied land is absolutely something you can call the cops for and have them removed. If they refuse, they are arrested and charged with trespassing. They have their day in court.
Squatters is a very specific form of trespassing. It involves the owner not occupying the space, the space being in disrepair (owner negligence), the squatters being the sole resident for a period of typically 10 years or more, and the squatters PAYING PROPERTY TAXES. That is usually the minimum level of requirements for a squatters claim to be remotely valid.
Evicting tenants is a completely different scenario all together and is more difficult because a contract has been signed by both parties. The owner can attempt to evict based upon a breach of contract. They have to supply burden of proof that the contract has been breached before police can forcefully remove the tenants....which often leads to going to court.
All three of these cases are examples where a legal course of action exists and can be followed.
What has happened to Mr. Abrego Garcia did not follow protocol. Trump is using the Alien Enemies act to deport these people. An act that is only used in wartime (it has only been used in the war of 1812, and WW1 / WW2) and only supposed to be used against countries we are actually at war with. Last time I checked, we are not at war with El Salvador.
This act is literally the justification used for the Japanese internment camps of WW2. Do you really want to be linking the same act that allowed one of the worst human rights abuses this country has ever implemented and these deportations together?
The 5th says "no person", not "no citizen". It is literally in the amendment. He was not just removed, he was put in prison. He was put in prison with zero due process, guaranteed to every person. He was removed after a court specifically said he was not to be. Recall the hoops jumped through for Elian Gonzalez? He was an illegal alien, he was not removed from the US until the Supreme Court ruled.
I didn't realize the 5th Amendment is the issue here.
He did have due process in front of at least 1 immigration judge, as described in the Politico article. The judge also explained why he (or she - can't remember and too lazy to look it up) made his judgement.
He broke the law by coming here illegally and not through the approved process. Why is this even an issue?
In 2019, he was given a withholding of removal order that prevents an individual from being deported to their home country due to a credible fear of persecution, torture or other serious harm. A person who is granted withholding of removal may never leave the United States without executing that removal order, cannot petition to bring family members to the United States, and does not gain a path to citizenship. That person can also get a work permit, which he received.
Just shows you what is important to the left. They are trying to turn an illegal into some sort of hero.
Link? I don't doubt you, but I'd like to see the details, since 2 immigrations judges determined him to be MS-13, which is designated a terrorist organization.
Is the withholding or the removal order because he was in fear of other gangs? Doesn't that indicate he really was part of a terrorist-designated gang?
Is it now the policy of the US to protect gang members from each other?
Like the guy who killed the insurance guy early morning in New York.
This is nothing but an attack on Trump. If it happened under Biden, we'd never hear about it.
The Supremes even said the order was valid, "The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholdingorder forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that theremoval to El Salvador was therefore illegal."
If he’s not dead he’s likely had a pretty rough experience. Trump doesn’t want him speaking to reporters. He’ll never be released as long as he’s alive.
You do not think Alito and Thomas considered that sort of status? Below is a government website on seeking asylum. Tell me where the words legal entry are.
To be eligible for asylum, you must be:
Inside the United States
How to seek asylum in the U.S. | USAGov
Learn how to seek asylum in the United States. If you already have been granted asylum, find out if you can sponsor your family to join you.
www.usa.gov
He only sought asylum when he got caught. He came into the US without application for asylum - that's the approved way to do it.You do not think Alito and Thomas considered that sort of status? Below is a government website on seeking asylum. Tell me where the words legal entry are.
To be eligible for asylum, you must be:Inside the United States
How to seek asylum in the U.S. | USAGov
Learn how to seek asylum in the United States. If you already have been granted asylum, find out if you can sponsor your family to join you.
They do not care if he is an illegal. They only care because Trump is involved but this is another losing issue for them. Remember these are the same guys who cheered when they locked up 85 year old grandma's for walking into the capital. It is all political to them it has nothing to do with human rights as you can see by their selective outrage.
Let's see, the trial judge and the full circuit said it was wrong to send him, the Supremes said 9-0 it was wrong, in their filing the DoJ said it was a "mistake", and you are arguing it was perfectly correct? How thin is that branch?
"We are a government of laws, not men." - John Adams.
Even the DoJ has said in their filings sending him back was a mistake. This isn't hard. If a court tells you to do something, you appeal. Finally, if you lose, you do it. Are you really arguing the President has the power to overrule the Supreme Court? What other checks and balances are you giving up?
BTW, another government website on applying for asylum. Tell me where it says you must apply before coming into the country.
Asylum | USCIS
www.uscis.gov
In fact, it specifically says you can only apply AFTER entering the US.
You may only file this application if you are physically present in the United States, and you are not a U.S. citizen.
I'm from the region, Hammond specifically. With my knowledge of farming I'd be bankrupt and lose the land in 6 months, illegals or not.
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So, just to be clear:
"They are trying to turn an illegal into some sort of hero." is what you claim above.
And then this post is accusing him of being a gangbanger, a term used for someone who has sex with a woman with multiple people present, so essentially demonizing him without a single scrap of evidence to suggest that he has done this.
Hypocrisy much?
Without a single scrap of evidence that he has done ANYTHING illegal other than enter the US.
Trump has a longer rap sheet.
Without due process, how do we know that your not an El Salvadorian gang member?
I don’t know what the guy’s complaining about. Government never paid for my plane ride anywhere.
They love to gas light. Just because we like the Constitution and the right to due process, it must mean we love South America gang members.
We are working with cult members and mental midgets here. Most of the time they are both.
I am betting he is already dead. His family will sue. Will win a few million. We will pay through our tax dollars. And then everyone will forget.
Perhaps you could check the definition of the terms?
Apparently the definition can be used for either a participant in a gang bang or a member of a gang.
Learn something every day.
en.wikipedia.org
Learn something every day.
Gang banger - Wikipedia
FYI, a gang bang isn't quite what you described:Apparently the definition can be used for either a participant in a gang bang or a member of a gang.
Learn something every day.
Gang banger - Wikipedia
Gang bang - Wikipedia
I never knew Wikipedia had such explicit material.
Been to bang gang before?FYI, a gang bang isn't quite what you described:
Gang bang - Wikipedia
I never knew Wikipedia had such explicit material.
Nope. I keep trying to get invited to the #AuburnAnnual, though.
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