Scrimmage is on....

[billyhillui]

Purdue's early games against NC & FSU will tell plenty, on all sides. Purdue turnovers are priority number one! Defending the 3, number two. Outside shooting, number three. Much like last season.






'There is no I in team'

:O

 

[Cavanagh]

Isn't IU now ranked in the top 25/30?

That shi* as as well? How did the #17 preseason IU football ranking turn out? Those rankings were certainly shi*.

I will add, this IU team is very good, & if Woodson doesn't finish in the top 7 of the conference, he may be as overrated an anyone.


:O

Top 7? Ill bet you any amount you want they finish top 5, you game?

 

[billyhillui]

Top 7? Ill bet you any amount you want they finish top 5, you game?

Them or MD. MSU is a little overrated. They should be aiming for top 4, & a #4 seed in the NCAA tourney.

I previously predicted the finish as:

1. Purdue

2. MI.

3. IL.

4. OSU

5. MD

6. IU

7. MSU

5, 6 & 7 are very close & could go any way at all, depending on injuries, Covid, schedule, ect., ect...

I will stick with my prediction(s), but shouldn't/wouldn't be surprised if IU finished 5th.

I'd be more surprised/shocked if Purdue finished lower than second.

I'm more skeptical on PSU than most. I must see them play/play good competition before I elevate them above 8-10th place. Many changes there now. We shall see.





'Let the games begin'

One ball & three stars

 

[NC_Trojan10]

They were 18-10 last year, went 0-1 in the B1G tourney and lost to N. Texas in their opening game of the NCAA tourney and everyone thinks they’re a Final Four team this year? Seriously, what’s it based on?

Ask them to list their 3 best wins lol. Puts into perspective how bad their schedule was.

 

[billyhillui]

Ask them to list their 3 best wins lol. Puts into perspective how bad their schedule was.

Beat IU TWICE, wait, it's kind of like the preseason IU football #17 ranking. We must now see it first, to prove the worth. I believe, & now Painter must prove! We have NC & FSU early, ranked about 18 & 19? If Purdue loses either of those two, you were probably more right than me.



We shall see

'Three Stars, & One Ball' <> <>

 

[NC_Trojan10]

Beat IU TWICE, wait, it's kind of like the preseason IU football #17 ranking. We must now see it first, to prove the worth. I believe, & now Painter must prove! We have NC & FSU early, ranked about 18 & 19? If Purdue loses either of those two, you were probably more right than me.



We shall see

'Three Stars, & One Ball' <> <>

Lol wait, you are a Purdue fan?

Just so you know, your top 3 wins were:
1. Ohio State
2. Ohio State
3. A borderline tournament team in MSU.

 

[Boilpotato]

You said he will leave college never beating PU. Exact quote. He just did. I know PU has trouble with facts

Nobody could foul out of that game, & the fouls did favor Providence. I doubt Providence wins that game with normal foul rules. But THAT Providence team shouldn't have beat Purdue Saturday.






Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers &

3 pt. shooting DEFENSE!!!

Rankings mean shit. Every single year they have some huge swings and misses. I think PU will be decent but I dont think they will be top 10, no way. They just have a very high floor. They are gonna make the tourney and hoover around top 25 all year IMO. IU will be more top 15ish all year

Ask them to list their 3 best wins lol. Puts into perspective how bad their schedule was.

Good call. Beating Ohio State in Columbus, Mich St in East Lansing and a pretty average IU team in Bloomington pretty lame. Anybody remember they were one of the youngest teams in all of basketball last season? Year older, everybody back. Yeah pretty ho hum this year in WL.

 

[billyhillui]

Lol wait, you are a Purdue fan?

Just so you know, your top 3 wins were:
1. Ohio State
2. Ohio State
3. A borderline tournament team in MSU.

OSU was a doughnut team last season, & may be one this season as well? Nothing (but Brunk) in the middle now. MSU was overrated last season, & this season as well, & Izzo is fading, in more ways than one. Both regular season OSU games were very close last season, as was a MSU game. IU will be better than MSU this season, & nearly as good as OSU.

I'm more worried about Purdue losing that Sat. scrimmage to a very average Providence team. It should be a teaching moment/lesson for both teams, especially Purdue.

 

[billyhillui]

Good call. Beating Ohio State in Columbus, Mich St in East Lansing and a pretty average IU team in Bloomington pretty lame. Anybody remember they were one of the youngest teams in all of basketball last season? Year older, everybody back. Yeah pretty ho hum this year in WL.

..., & they picked up two top 50 recruits, & Furst had a hell of a good scrimmage against Providence on Sat. IU losing Franklin & Durham will hurt early on this season, especially with a new coach.

 

[Cavanagh]

OSU was a doughnut team last season, & may be one this season as well? Nothing (but Brunk) in the middle now. MSU was overrated last season, & this season as well, & Izzo is fading, in more ways than one. Both regular season OSU games were very close last season, as was a MSU game. IU will be better than MSU this season, & nearly as good as OSU.

I'm more worried about Purdue losing that Sat. scrimmage to a very average Providence team. It should be a teaching moment/lesson for both teams, especially Purdue.

You think it is going to teach PU that they should have picked up some ball handlers in the off season? Other than Ivey (hasn't proved he has better handles than any of our PGs) who handles the ball? What happens when they meet a very good on ball D team, cough cough IU?

They have a great front court, back court might be one of the worst in the big ten.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Beat IU TWICE, wait, it's kind of like the preseason IU football #17 ranking. We must now see it first, to prove the worth. I believe, & now Painter must prove! We have NC & FSU early, ranked about 18 & 19? If Purdue loses either of those two, you were probably more right than me.



We shall see

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CMP's big challenge this year is to figure out how to let Ivey play at full throttle without it looking like a one-man NBA draft audition with Ivey racking up 6-9 turnovers every game while shooting 8 for 25....keeping everyone else on the team happy along the way. This year's success is on Ivey, trying to find a happy middle between team leader and one-man band.

 

[billyhillui]

You think it is going to teach PU that they should have picked up some ball handlers in the off season? Other than Ivey (hasn't proved he has better handles than any of our PGs) who handles the ball? What happens when they meet a very good on ball D team, cough cough IU?

They have a great front court, back court might be one of the worst in the big ten.

Your IU team had much off season change, good & bad. Purdue's change was mostly good. I think our backcourt gets it done this season, if Painter gets more of a scoring balance between the frontcourt & backcourt, which will be hard to do. Sat. was not good for Purdue. If they lose to NC or FSU, I was more wrong than right, but I doubt it.





'Three stars, & one ball'

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[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

OSU was a doughnut team last season, & may be one this season as well? Nothing (but Brunk) in the middle now. MSU was overrated last season, & this season as well, & Izzo is fading, in more ways than one. Both regular season OSU games were very close last season, as was a MSU game. IU will be better than MSU this season, & nearly as good as OSU.

I'm more worried about Purdue losing that Sat. scrimmage to a very average Providence team. It should be a teaching moment/lesson for both teams, especially Purdue.

(sarcasm alert).....on a happy note....Al Durham finally got his win against the Boilers

wouldn't put much into scrimmage results...PC big guys had no foul limits (didn't one of their bigs end up with 9-10 fouls?) and sounds like PC played their top 5-6 players most of the game while CMP was still in mix-n-match mode with 11 players.

 

[Cavanagh]

CMP's big challenge this year is to figure out how to let Ivey play at full throttle without it looking like a one-man NBA draft audition with Ivey racking up 6-9 turnovers every game while shooting 8 for 25....keeping everyone else on the team happy along the way. This year's success is on Ivey, trying to find a happy middle between team leader and one-man band.

Everyone that wants to play for Mike stayed. There was 0 bad in our offseason IMO. The guys that stayed came back cuz of Mike. Al and Franklin didn't want to play for Coach. At the end of the season there will not be a person in the country that says Tamar Parker X and Miller were a downgrade from Al and Franklin.

 

[billyhillui]

(sarcasm alert).....on a happy note....Al Durham finally got his win against the Boilers

wouldn't put much into scrimmage results...PC big guys had no foul limits (didn't one of their bigs end up with 9-10 fouls?) and sounds like PC played their top 5-6 players most of the game while CMP was still in mix-n-match mode with 11 players.

And he/Durham led everybody in fouls with 9. Providence probably loses that game, if it were a real game, but still Purdue had no reason that Providence should have even come close. Durham did have a good game though, other than 9 fouls.

Painter was thinking 'big picture'/get newcomers involved, & Providence wanted to just win the game. Purdue must fix:

1. Turnovers

2. 3 pt. D

3. Outside shooting

4. Better balance between frontcourt & backcourt scoring/play


The Purdue bench destroyed the Providence bench.



Want to beat them? Press them all game long, full court & backcourt, & double their post players, all game long, until they prove their outside shooting improves, & post players passing & quick decision making improves.




'Three stars, & one ball'

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[NC_Trojan10]

..., & they picked up two top 50 recruits, & Furst had a hell of a good scrimmage against Providence on Sat. IU losing Franklin & Durham will hurt early on this season, especially with a new coach.

They didn’t pick up two top 50 recruits. Kaufman was 43 and Furst was at 64.

Johnson, Bates, Stewart, and Kopp >>>>>> Franklin and Durham.

 

[billyhillui]

They didn’t pick up two top 50 recruits. Kaufman was 43 and Furst was at 64.

Johnson, Bates, Stewart, and Kopp >>>>>> Franklin and Durham.

around top 50. Furst (Mr. Basketball) actually looks more ready to contribute now than TKR.

That lost experience will show up for sure, especially early, with a new coach.

Your guards look good, but there is a reason players transfer, & sometimes it takes a few games to find out just what you have, & the other team(s) missed. Kopp will help early & often, when played. I see why he left, good decision.

transfers = musical chairs
You never know when the music will stop :O



Time will tell

'Three stars & one ball'

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[NC_Trojan10]

around top 50. Furst (Mr. Basketball) actually looks more ready to contribute now than TKR.

That lost experience will show up for sure, especially early, with a new coach.

Well if you are going to include as around 50, then I guess we can include Duncomb who was ranked 8 spots lower than Furst as well. Especially considering Duncomb dominated Furst last summer.

As for experience, you clearly know nothing about the players I just mentioned. Xavier, Kopp, and Stewart combine for 203 games played at the P5 level. Franklin and Durham only combine for 177. So no, we aren’t losing experience. Bates has star potential.

 

[Cavanagh]

That lost experience will show up for sure, especially early, with a new coach.

The major point you are missing is that last year destroyed players and added no experience except how to lose for IU. Archie Miller was an atrocious coach, worse than Crean. Never thought I would have ever typed those words.....Worse than CREAN!!!!!!

 

[billyhillui]

Well if you are going to include as around 50, then I guess we can include Duncomb who was ranked 8 spots lower than Furst as well. Especially considering Duncomb dominated Furst last summer.

As for experience, you clearly know nothing about the players I just mentioned. Xavier, Kopp, and Stewart combine for 203 games played at the P5 level. Franklin and Durham only combine for 177. So no, we aren’t losing experience. Bates has star potential.

IU has good players coming in, & you needed them, with Franklin & Durham leaving. Purdue had good players already, & with Williams, Ivey, SS & Hunter leaving after this season, needed more as well. I am worried about Purdue's guard play though. Sat. was not good for them. Painter needs to to improve their play now.

Purdue has MUCH to work/improve on now, especially with that game/loss Sat. hanging over their heads.

Kopp played well for NW, good 3 shooter. Franklin (when healthy) started, & Durham will definitely be missed, Sat. proved that.



So IU will beat Purdue this season?

 

[billyhillui]

The major point you are missing is that last year destroyed players and added no experience except how to lose for IU. Archie Miller was an atrocious coach, worse than Crean. Never thought I would have ever typed those words.....Worse than CREAN!!!!!!

Crean & Miller were bad coaches, & neither though much of playing/teaching good defense. If Woody improves their defense, that alone will do wonders.

We need to get the Dan Dakich B1G predictions BEFORE the season/first game starts. I'm very interested to see how DD thinks the conference & NCAA will unfold this season. Maybe VanPastorMan/someone/anyone will put out the bat signal to him today, around 12-3 pm?

On college basketball, I trust DD more then JMV, a lot more. I want to see predictions from them NOW, on air.

What's your prediction for the top 7 regular season finish in the B1G?

What does VanPastorMan predict here? He & DD should be in a good mood this morning.







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[NC_Trojan10]

IU has good players coming in, & you needed them, with Franklin & Durham leaving. Purdue had good players already, & with Williams, Ivey, SS & Hunter leaving after this season, needed more as well. I am worried about Purdue's guard play though. Sat. was not good for them. Painter needs to to improve their play now.

Purdue has MUCH to work/improve on now, especially with that game/loss Sat. hanging over their heads.

Kopp played well for NW, good 3 shooter. Franklin (when healthy) started, & Durham will definitely be missed, Sat. proved that.



So IU will beat Purdue this season?

I believe they will split with Purdue. You for some reason continue to fail to include Xavier Johnson in your responses who is likely our second best player. He alone is a big upgrade to Durham. Bates/Kopp/Stewart together are a huge upgrade over Franklin.

Then you have RP who has been a starter in the Big Ten for 3 years going to the bench to lead the second unit. Geronimo is a huge breakout candidate.

 

[NC_Trojan10]

Crean & Miller were bad coaches, & neither though much of playing/teaching good defense. If Woody improves their defense, that alone will do wonders.

We need to get the Dan Dakich B1G predictions BEFORE the season/first game starts. I'm very interested to see how DD thinks the conference & NCAA will unfold this season. Maybe VanPastorMan/someone/anyone will put out the bat signal to him today, around 12-3 pm?

On college basketball, I trust DD more then JMV, a lot more. I want to see predictions from them NOW, on air.

What's your prediction for the top 7 regular season finish in the B1G?

What does VanPastorMan predict here? He & DD should be in a good mood this morning.







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My god you are dumb. IU had a good defense under Archie. They had a miserably mad offense. Crean was the exact opposite.

 

[billyhillui]

I believe they will split with Purdue. You for some reason continue to fail to include Xavier Johnson in your responses who is likely our second best player. He alone is a big upgrade to Durham. Bates/Kopp/Stewart together are a huge upgrade over Franklin.

Then you have RP who has been a starter in the Big Ten for 3 years going to the bench to lead the second unit. Geronimo is a huge breakout candidate.

You clearly know more about IU basketball than I. I'm a lifelong Purdue fan. I do try to watch all IU games though.

I do think IU will be a little better than most of the 'experts' predict though.

I also think Franklin leaving will hurt early, & the experience in the Durham loss will hurt early as well.

I want to hear the Dan Dakich predictions NOW, before the season starts.




Who will back up TJD?

How good/experienced/reliable/consistent is he?

 

[NC_Trojan10]

You clearly know more about IU basketball than I. I'm a lifelong Purdue fan. I do try to watch all IU games though.

I do think IU will be a little better than most of the 'experts' predict though.

I also think Franklin leaving will hurt early, & the experience in the Durham loss will hurt early as well.

I want to hear the Dan Dakich predictions NOW, before the season starts.




Who will back up TJD?

How good/experienced/reliable/consistent is he?

Dakich is a blowhard.

To start the season Race Thompson is likely the backup 5 (as well as starting 4) while Michael Durr finishes recovering. Duncomb will probably get some minutes in Durr’s absence, but I don’t expect him to play much this year when Durr is back.

I’ll just give you my overall guess at projected rotation:

Johnson/RP/Lander
Bates/Stewart
Kopp/Leal/Galloway
Race/Geronimo
TJD/Durr/Duncomb

I think Galloway and Duncomb are likely not to be used much this year. I also don’t think we play 11, so between Lander, RP, and Leal, one won’t get many minutes.

 

[Boilpotato]

You think it is going to teach PU that they should have picked up some ball handlers in the off season? Other than Ivey (hasn't proved he has better handles than any of our PGs) who handles the ball? What happens when they meet a very good on ball D team, cough cough IU?

They have a great front court, back court might be one of the worst in the big ten.

Ivey is pretty strong and wlll handle the rock ALOT. Hunter isn't ideal but he's a senior and is capable handling the basketball.. You do realize Purdue runs a motion offense right? You are overstating which isn't surprising. Good to see people here excited honestly and IU is trending up finally. Purdue is going to strong and continue to be upper echelon(top 4 Big 10) the next couple of years so get use to folks.

 

[NC_Trojan10]

Ivey is pretty strong and wlll handle the rock ALOT. Hunter isn't ideal but he's a senior and is capable handling the basketball.. You do realize Purdue runs a motion offense right? You are overstating which isn't surprising. Good to see people here excited honestly and IU is trending up finally. Purdue is going to strong and continue to be upper echelon(top 4 Big 10) the next couple of years so get use to folks.

If all of the Purdue players meet expectations this year, then you likely lose Hunter, Sasha, Williams, Ivey, and Edey. No chance you would stay in the top 4.