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Ryan Miller.

"ish"...

"prototype"...

You have to start searches, for anything, with some sort of direction. Otherwise you end up with guys like...well, like the last 5 IU basketball coaches.
6 isn't 15ish.

You aren't using prototype in a way that makes sense, as this would neither be the first model of something, or the archetypal example.

It does highlight the nonsensical nature of this whole discussion though. A bunch of grumpers on here yelling "fIRe tEh. Coachhhh!" who think we can just pluck an Indiana basketball Jesus out of the ether--if only we wanted to be good again. Like there aren't 360-ish other programs also trying real hard.

I dunno who the next coach will be, but I'm pretty sure he won't match your prototype.
 
6 isn't 15ish.

You aren't using prototype in a way that makes sense, as this would neither be the first model of something, or the archetypal example.

It does highlight the nonsensical nature of this whole discussion though. A bunch of grumpers on here yelling "fIRe tEh. Coachhhh!" who think we can just pluck an Indiana basketball Jesus out of the ether--if only we wanted to be good again. Like there aren't 360-ish other programs also trying real hard.

I dunno who the next coach will be, but I'm pretty sure he won't match your prototype.
Maybe he will, maybe he won't. I'm just listing where I'd start my search if I were Dolson. Maybe that creates a list of candidates similar to Kelsey and McCollum, maybe not? Like you, I don't have time to scour the coaching ranks. I hope Dolson does.

Kentucky's search last year shows we're not likely to get guys like Oats, Pearl, Few, etc... Going in with specific criteria, like I mentioned, might...might... keep him from being "stuck" with hiring a guy like Woodson.

Also...Stevens is a different animal. Dolson will reach out to him, I'm sure he already has. If he's seriously interested, the criteria immediately changes to...

-Played at a small Indiana college
-Coached at an Indiana college for 6 years
-Went to multiple Final Fours
-Coached in the NBA
-Has NBA front office experience
-Completely overhauled a fairly successful NBA franchise, and roster, becoming very focused on perimeter defense and 3 point shooting, and won an NBA title shortly after implementing the new approach.
-Has a son playing college ball at an Indiana college
-Has family in Indiana
 
"ish"...

"prototype"...

You have to start searches, for anything, with some sort of direction. Otherwise you end up with guys like...well, like the last 5 IU basketball coaches.
I think your list looks good.

Hopefully we can break out of this Groundhog Day hiring/firing cycle. Imho, something very substantial needs to change at IU related to the culture surrounding the program. Until it does I fear we will be talking about the last “six” basketball coaches, no matter how many boxes the next hire checks.

We really need a full scale purge. We may have been headed that way last year, but unfortunately it never panned out.
 
Take a look AGAIN at that fellow several miles south at Louisville who I talked about a lot before they snatched him up.
Meets all the criteria, boat raced IU out of the gym and beat Carolina last night.
Mark my words he will highly succeed at the Ville. Pat Kelsey is the name. Look him up. I have watched him coach for years. He gets it!!

He's an example of the type of coach IU should search for, locate, and hire...yes. Doesn't match all my criteria, I'm sure, but fits the general overall prototype fairly well. Kelsey isn't leaving Louisville, I'm sure. But there are others out there that would, that are similar.

I hadn't ever heard of Pat Kelsey before they destroyed us in the Bahamas. And he's turned a completely dead Louisville program, more dead than IU is right now, very nearly completely around to an NCAA tournament team with a seemingly bright future, in year 1. And he has a proven track record that he'll sustain, if not build, on that success at Louisville going forward.
Bucky McMillan may be this season’s Pat Kelsey. Killing it at Samford. Killed it as a HS coach. Is very young. He wins. Google him.
 
Bucky McMillan may be this season’s Pat Kelsey. Killing it at Samford. Killed it as a HS coach. Is very young. He wins. Google him.
I've listed him before...his teams are very fun to watch. I would for sure talk to him if I were Dolson. I think Kelsey had a more established college track record. But a P4 program is likely going to hire him soon, and I suspect he'll be popular wherever he goes.
 
I've listed him before...his teams are very fun to watch. I would for sure talk to him if I were Dolson. I think Kelsey had a more established college track record. But a P4 program is likely going to hire him soon, and I suspect he'll be popular wherever he goes.
Kelsey for sure did, and has a solid resume. Coached at WF and Xavier as an Asst and then HC at Winthrop and College of Charleston. My fear about anyone who's only been at the mid-major level is just handling/administrating a major P5 job with recruiting, admin, etc.... Nothing to do with the "coaching" part, but those added pressures are a huge gamble, imo.
 
Kelsey for sure did, and has a solid resume. Coached at WF and Xavier as an Asst and then HC at Winthrop and College of Charleston. My fear about anyone who's only been at the mid-major level is just handling/administrating a major P5 job with recruiting, admin, etc.... Nothing to do with the "coaching" part, but those added pressures are a huge gamble, imo.
For sure. It'd be something Dolson should work to flush out during extensive vetting and interviewing processes. Somehow, the previous AD missed all that with Archie. He fit in so many ways...but having the moxy and ability to handle IU's pressures, needs to be something Dolson really factors in, as well as he can. As I'm typing all this...its giving me another reason to think firing him before the end of the season, if we're not an NCAA factor...might be a good idea. Its such an important decision, being able to actively and openly go through the process, even with potential coaches still coaching their current teams, would be very beneficial. Figuring out if a coach likely has the personality to handle coaching at IU, probably is something that would take some time.
 
First off, what a jackass.

Miller has been on my mind this glorious 2025 morning. He tainted the minds of so many, but the smart brains in the room need to learn from mistakes. Archie had the resume and exact age we wanted to target, he just lacked a very key component of the IU job. The only qualifying quality that woody actually possesses.

The IU men’s basketball job is the biggest job in the state of Indiana. Or atleast it was. Was a higher profile job than any head coach of the colts or pacers post Knight for the last 25 years. Archie just failed so miserably in being in the spotlight. He hid and gained like 20 lbs for god sake. Wtf.

Got to go after the young vibrant coach. Coach cig is great, but that’s one in a million. Please don’t fall into that trap. We need a guy in his 30s to young 50s. Want a 20 year potential guy.

And screw Ryan. You should have been great, but you are a scared little girl. Happy new year though!

Prototype is 45 ish year old…15 ish years college head coaching experience…has won multiple conf championships, at multiple schools…has had postseason success…has never had mediocre seasons (anywhere near .500 or less)…has recruited well versus his peers…has the personality you mention…and runs an exciting style and brand of basketball. Scour all college divisions for such a coach. Start the search today if you haven’t already.

I know many will say something about not caring about the style, as long as we win. And obviously winning is the primary goal…but I, for one, would NOT be excited about watching Tony Bennett style basketball. Let’s strive for an exciting brand. Up tempo maybe. Appealing to everyone, including all potential recruits.

I like McCollum right now.
DeVries at WVU.
 
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I don't care about the age if coach K wants the job I would hire him in a second. We need experience program builders that did at mutiple places no more Archie Millers or Tom Creans who only did it at one place.
 
Not a preference by any means, but I’d be interested to hear the thoughts on poaching another Miller from a university in Ohio. Thoughts on Wes Miller?
 
I don't care about the age if coach K wants the job I would hire him in a second. We need experience program builders that did at mutiple places no more Archie Millers or Tom Creans who only did it at one place.
Coach K only did it at one location. Just sayin'
 
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Maybe he will, maybe he won't. I'm just listing where I'd start my search if I were Dolson. Maybe that creates a list of candidates similar to Kelsey and McCollum, maybe not? Like you, I don't have time to scour the coaching ranks. I hope Dolson does.

Kentucky's search last year shows we're not likely to get guys like Oats, Pearl, Few, etc... Going in with specific criteria, like I mentioned, might...might... keep him from being "stuck" with hiring a guy like Woodson.

Also...Stevens is a different animal. Dolson will reach out to him, I'm sure he already has. If he's seriously interested, the criteria immediately changes to...

-Played at a small Indiana college
-Coached at an Indiana college for 6 years
-Went to multiple Final Fours
-Coached in the NBA
-Has NBA front office experience
-Completely overhauled a fairly successful NBA franchise, and roster, becoming very focused on perimeter defense and 3 point shooting, and won an NBA title shortly after implementing the new approach.
-Has a son playing college ball at an Indiana college
-Has family in Indiana
He won't, because no one does.

I'm sure they will make Stevens say no, and I strongly suspect he will oblige them with a quick, polite, no. If he wanted to coach college, he'd be coaching in college.
 
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But he had two losing seasons at Army, including his final season. North wants a guy who hasn't ever had a losing season.
I do. Yes. But already back tracked on that, because I’d love for McCollum to be a top candidate…and his first two years coaching were losing seasons.

Again, they’re search parameters to use as differentiators. At a minimum, I’d sniff around and figure out why they had those poor seasons. Like why did it take Dusty May 5 years to break through at FAU? What caused McCollums first two losing seasons?

Stevens is the only IU messiah or whatever you referenced. IU isn’t getting someone like Oats, or Pearl, or Few… so why not scour all of college bball? And why not establish some criteria to help as you sift through through all the coaches?

This is a message board. This is all conjecture. I’ve changed my list about 20 times in the last year. And I’m sure I’ll change it a bunch more as the season wears on.

If my conjecture posts annoy you…maybe stop reading them.
 
If Drake wins their conference, and makes a deep tourney run, and IU doesn’t move on Woodson and go after McCollum hard…I actually might contemplate suspending my fan status.
You want the coach from......Drake. smh....just wow.... That screams high level....smh
 
Even Coack K and Bob Knight had losing seasons.
Yep. This was my point. But don't worry, IUNorth has a prototype.

Not sure how that works. Maybe he ordered a human cloning kit on the internet, and he surreptitiously gathered DNA samples from high level coaches for years, and he used that and CRISPR to create a baby, and he's been rearing the Hoosier basketball baby Jesus in his basement while he teaches him pick and roll coverages and the virtue of not choking people.

I mean, I hope not, but when I read prototype, that's what I imagine.
 
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Yep. This was my point. But don't worry, IUNorth has a prototype.

Not sure how that works. Maybe he ordered a human cloning kit on the internet, and he surreptitiously gathered DNA samples from high level coaches for years, and he used that and CRISPR to create a baby, and he's been rearing the Hoosier basketball baby Jesus in his basement while he teaches him pick and roll coverages and the virtue of not choking people.

I mean, I hope not, but when I read prototype, that's what I imagine.
Starting concept, to get the search going. Its really not that hard to grasp. Or are you trying to just be a d!ck?

I build about 30-40 "prototypes" a year for my job...every single one of them ends up being changed in some way, some completely changed and/or never brought to market. The point of them though, in my world (and again, its not hard to grasp), is a starting point with a concept I think will have a demand. In this case, the starting point for a coaching search.

I think we'll have A LOT more success, giving ourselves a better chance, at finding the "IU basketball messiah", or whatever dumbass name you put on it...if we establish the type of coach, the type of program, we want to have, and THEN go searching for candidates that best fit that. Rather than just swinging for the fences with guys like Pearl, then Oats, then a hail mary with Few, then should we look the other way on Beard's past issues?, lets give Donovan a call again... That increases the chances of IU having to scramble last minute, and maybe land on someone like Matta...who might not be a good fit anymore.

I listed some of the major criteria I'd use to filter through the thousands of current college coaches out there. Its very possible there aren't any that fit every single one of them...cool...prioritize them, add candidates back on that fail on your least important criteria... Indiana basketball is a multi million dollar organization, connected with a fairly high level institution of learning, they can find the time and people to put these sorts of lists together.

I'm guessing when Louisville was searching, they did something similar, and Pat Kelsey's name matched a lot of their criteria. And I'm sure guys like McCollum, McMillan, etc... will too, for a lot of programs.
 
You want the coach from......Drake. smh....just wow.... That screams high level....smh
I want a basketball coach that knows how to coach the game of basketball...and has proven it. That isn't particularly high level, and doesn't need to be. IU's massive resources will buoy someone that can effectively teach and coach the game of basketball. Woodson can't do either of those things...the results are plain to see, right in front of all our eyes.

I listed a handful of criteria that I'd use in a search...I think a coach that has most or all of the things I listed, that Dolson felt confident could handle the IU job, would virtually guarantee better success than we've seen in quite a while.

Woodson is not a good basketball coach.

IU should have a good basketball coach.

We need to go find a good basketball coach. And no, I don't care if he's from Drake. Drake isn't a far cry from Butler... in comparison to the IU job.
 
I want a basketball coach that knows how to coach the game of basketball...and has proven it. That isn't particularly high level, and doesn't need to be. IU's massive resources will buoy someone that can effectively teach and coach the game of basketball. Woodson can't do either of those things...the results are plain to see, right in front of all our eyes.

I listed a handful of criteria that I'd use in a search...I think a coach that has most or all of the things I listed, that Dolson felt confident could handle the IU job, would virtually guarantee better success than we've seen in quite a while.

Woodson is not a good basketball coach.

IU should have a good basketball coach.

We need to go find a good basketball coach. And no, I don't care if he's from Drake. Drake isn't a far cry from Butler... in comparison to the IU job.
Cool story.

2 years later.....

"Why did they ever hire an unknown from a small school?"...smh...rinse and repeat
 
Cool story.

2 years later.....

"Why did they ever hire an unknown from a small school?"...smh...rinse and repeat
First step...get rid of the guy we KNOW isn't a good coach...and have plans in place to limit the possibility of hiring another poor coach.

Our last 6 basketball head coaching hires...

Small school unknown coach that had 5 winning seasons, and 1 losing season, with some modest post season success.
Popular assistant coach with zero head coaching experience
Proven major college head coach with some red flags from rules violations in his past
Moderately successful fringe high major coach, that had 1 miraculous tournament run
Proven young coach at a fringe high major, that had recent tournament success, but with the personality of a turnip.
Former IU legend, average NBA coach that hadn't been a head coach in 6 or so years, and had never coached in college

Seems like the last true "small school", unknown coach we hired, did fairly well... the rest, well, not so much. The athletic director that hired that coach, famously went after him because of his program and approach, his personality...and I'm adding this part, but it seems obvious since he chose him despite being an unknown...how he thought this coach fit what he wanted IU basketball to be.
 
Prototype is 45 ish year old…15 ish years college head coaching experience…has won multiple conf championships, at multiple schools…has had postseason success…has never had mediocre seasons (anywhere near .500 or less)…has recruited well versus his peers…has the personality you mention…and runs an exciting style and brand of basketball. Scour all college divisions for such a coach. Start the search today if you haven’t already.

I know many will say something about not caring about the style, as long as we win. And obviously winning is the primary goal…but I, for one, would NOT be excited about watching Tony Bennett style basketball. Let’s strive for an exciting brand. Up tempo maybe. Appealing to everyone, including all potential recruits.

I like McCollum right now.

Darian DeVries is backing it up, too, at West Virginia.
 
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Starting concept, to get the search going. Its really not that hard to grasp. Or are you trying to just be a d!ck?

I build about 30-40 "prototypes" a year for my job...every single one of them ends up being changed in some way, some completely changed and/or never brought to market. The point of them though, in my world (and again, its not hard to grasp), is a starting point with a concept I think will have a demand. In this case, the starting point for a coaching search.

I think we'll have A LOT more success, giving ourselves a better chance, at finding the "IU basketball messiah", or whatever dumbass name you put on it...if we establish the type of coach, the type of program, we want to have, and THEN go searching for candidates that best fit that. Rather than just swinging for the fences with guys like Pearl, then Oats, then a hail mary with Few, then should we look the other way on Beard's past issues?, lets give Donovan a call again... That increases the chances of IU having to scramble last minute, and maybe land on someone like Matta...who might not be a good fit anymore.

I listed some of the major criteria I'd use to filter through the thousands of current college coaches out there. Its very possible there aren't any that fit every single one of them...cool...prioritize them, add candidates back on that fail on your least important criteria... Indiana basketball is a multi million dollar organization, connected with a fairly high level institution of learning, they can find the time and people to put these sorts of lists together.

I'm guessing when Louisville was searching, they did something similar, and Pat Kelsey's name matched a lot of their criteria. And I'm sure guys like McCollum, McMillan, etc... will too, for a lot of programs.
Sorry, I'd read all this but you told me to stop reading your posts, and I'm taking you up on that suggestion, since that suggestion is actually realistic.
 
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Darian DeVries is backing it up, too, at West Virginia.
He is, for sure. Haven't really dug in to him much. Only worry I have with him, solely based off looking at records and accomplishments, is if his recent success is heavily influenced by his son's emergence. And while he has had a few solid regular seasons, he always got bumped in first round of NCAAs. I like McCollum's resume a lot more, at this point, because he proved he can win big both in the regular and post seasons, against his peers. And is having some early success at Drake.

It'll be interesting to see if that continues, and then if he can make some noise in the NCAAs. He could bring Bennett Stirtz with him, conceivably, and have a star that knows his system, leading a team that would be filled with other talented guys, I'm sure.
 
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We all know what a good coach can do here. Sampson was starting something special since then we have hired flash in the pan guys.
 
Maybe he will, maybe he won't. I'm just listing where I'd start my search if I were Dolson. Maybe that creates a list of candidates similar to Kelsey and McCollum, maybe not? Like you, I don't have time to scour the coaching ranks. I hope Dolson does.

Kentucky's search last year shows we're not likely to get guys like Oats, Pearl, Few, etc... Going in with specific criteria, like I mentioned, might...might... keep him from being "stuck" with hiring a guy like Woodson.

Also...Stevens is a different animal. Dolson will reach out to him, I'm sure he already has. If he's seriously interested, the criteria immediately changes to...

-Played at a small Indiana college
-Coached at an Indiana college for 6 years
-Went to multiple Final Fours
-Coached in the NBA
-Has NBA front office experience
-Completely overhauled a fairly successful NBA franchise, and roster, becoming very focused on perimeter defense and 3 point shooting, and won an NBA title shortly after implementing the new approach.
-Has a son playing college ball at an Indiana college
-Has family in Indiana
Brad Stevens wants no part of the transfer portal and NIL I’d have to believe.
 
Brad Stevens wants no part of the transfer portal and NIL I’d have to believe.
I don't know. I get that it adds a whole lot of instability, but I think if you're at one of the "haves", at least in bball, it gives you a huge advantage over the comp: every year you know there are going to be impact players available late, and you've got the resources to get them. Gives you a whole additional pool of talent. I think it adds a lot of confusion to football with so many players, but in bball, I would think it makes a school like IU more attractive. I think there's next to a 0.0% chance he'd come, but I think the current climate makes IU an even more attractive job than it has been in the recent past.
 
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I don't know. I get that it adds a whole lot of instability, but I think if you're at one of the "haves", at least in bball, it gives you a huge advantage over the comp: every year you know there are going to be impact players available late, and you've got the resources to get them. Gives you a whole additional pool of talent. I think it adds a lot of confusion to football with so many players, but in bball, I would think it makes a school like IU more attractive. I think there's next to a 0.0% chance he'd come, but I think the current climate makes IU an even more attractive job than it has been in the recent past.
Pay check all being equal but your program offers a 6 am practice might not yield 2010 results anyway.
 
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