None. this is a FB-driven discussion. Our view is skewed because of what BB is here.
Ryan Day Says it Out Loud
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NIL is donor money but Varsity Club donations are driven by seat licenses and non-cumulative points that secure the seats we want. That fact will ensure VC funding.
Our personal and corporate NIL donations this year are 100% net new funds. For the record our NIL funds went to H4G and specifically not the two cringe clowns (2CC).
Any business pays an 18 year old $2,000,000 a year - i want a list. I wont do business with them. And when the kids gets a DUI, or some 18 year old drunk co-ed accuses him of rape, i say, in advance, “I told ya so.”
I would love it if they created a tiered set of leagues, with promotion and relegation. But some rivalries would fade.
what is your reasoning that NIL has anything to do with recent SCOTUS decisions involving the NCAA?
ianal, but i don't think NIL was forced on the NCAA or member schools by recent SCOTUS rulings.
as for "the mess" the NCAA or member schools find themselves in, i'm not sure what fans consider a mess, those with power and absurd salaries consider a mess.
imho, what those with power and the big salaries consider a mess, would be them losing one cent of their own earnings.
absent them losing one cent themselves, i'm not sure much else concerns them.
With NIL, recruiting is going to shift from a battle of program's to a battle of boosters(It's why Saban is shaking in his boots, there's far more money in A&M's back pockets than Bama's). Boosters were a factor circa NIL, they fund facilities, coaching staffs, and ofc under the table money funneling to recruits, but now it's just out in the open. Ryan Day or Nick Saban can get on the phone with their boosters and simply say, we need X amount of dollars for this kid, rather than saying we need to put more money into this program so I can hire stronger assistants and we can attract higher level players.
As for how IU plays into it, I feel like barring something dramatic changing over the next 5 years, the future looks bleak. As other people have referenced, the Indiana alumni have the money, but there is simply not enough passion to turn IUFB into a top tier program. That's going to be the issue everywhere, to some extent that's always been the case. Nebraska has the money because the donors care about football, they care about football because there's an established football culture, the donors have seen what it's like to be a top tier FB program and they want to get back to that. If everyone in the B1G cared about football as much as Nebraska, they would be a bottom tier program. Nebraska is pretty clearly the poorest school in the B1G, but schools like NW, Illinois, RU, IU, PU, etc do not have any established football culture, so their donors do not care to pour endless amounts of money into the football program, even though if they did, those schools have access to a lot more donor money than Nebraska.
It's the same reason IU Basketball will(IMO) always have a shot to be a top tier program even if they finish in the bottom half of the B1G for a decade straight. The donors will pour money into BB just like Nebraska pours money into FB, that's not the case at an OSU, Wisconsin, UM, etc. Being good in BB is always going to be secondary to football for them. It is what it is, as a football fan, I wish we had a culture that was more football focused, especially because it's pretty clear that rich football programs can help prop up an average basketball program, whereas rich BB programs don't do anything to help FB programs. I don't think I need to get into the countless examples of that being the case, but Ig if we can at least be relevant in basketball(and not an embarrassment in FB)than I'll take it.
As for how IU plays into it, I feel like barring something dramatic changing over the next 5 years, the future looks bleak. As other people have referenced, the Indiana alumni have the money, but there is simply not enough passion to turn IUFB into a top tier program. That's going to be the issue everywhere, to some extent that's always been the case. Nebraska has the money because the donors care about football, they care about football because there's an established football culture, the donors have seen what it's like to be a top tier FB program and they want to get back to that. If everyone in the B1G cared about football as much as Nebraska, they would be a bottom tier program. Nebraska is pretty clearly the poorest school in the B1G, but schools like NW, Illinois, RU, IU, PU, etc do not have any established football culture, so their donors do not care to pour endless amounts of money into the football program, even though if they did, those schools have access to a lot more donor money than Nebraska.
It's the same reason IU Basketball will(IMO) always have a shot to be a top tier program even if they finish in the bottom half of the B1G for a decade straight. The donors will pour money into BB just like Nebraska pours money into FB, that's not the case at an OSU, Wisconsin, UM, etc. Being good in BB is always going to be secondary to football for them. It is what it is, as a football fan, I wish we had a culture that was more football focused, especially because it's pretty clear that rich football programs can help prop up an average basketball program, whereas rich BB programs don't do anything to help FB programs. I don't think I need to get into the countless examples of that being the case, but Ig if we can at least be relevant in basketball(and not an embarrassment in FB)than I'll take it.
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Isn't this how it works in all of sports? Shoot pro head coaches aren't touching avg qb money
It is really difficult to get to larger Mega Conferences because You take away natural rivalries and fans lose identity with the opposing teams. suppose OSU and Michigan get into one of these Mega Conference situations, and can't be scheduled to play each other for 3 years. Will their fans be happy watching them play Florida or Lsu as opposed to each other?
just look at what happened to the Texas -Texas A&M rivalry since A&M moved to the SEC. They don't play at all, and they can't take the risk of playing each other Out of Conference due to risk of loss and rating points.
In NCAA v. Alston ( the case was heard in 2020, the decision released in June 2021) the SC ruled against the NCAA's restrictions on the level of education-related benefits for student athletes. The ruling opened the door for further suits challenging restrictions on athletes' outside earnings for the use of their names and images and prompted the NCAA to pretty much throw up its hands in regard to NIL compensation, leaving the matter for individual schools, conferences, and states to sort out. This case is what prompted the explosion of the NIL compensation debate. The case was technically an anti-trust case involving trademarks, but the 9-0 ruling and the opinions issued sent a pretty powerful message to the NCAA that the Courts were calling BS on the NCAA's claim that it should be allowed to profit on players' NIL and shut the players themselves out of the money made on the backs of those players. If the NCAA had won that case, you can bet that it had every intention of maintaining status quo in regard to lining its own pockets and keeping players relegated to tuition, housing, and minimal stipends. By waving the white flag, the NCAA effectively opened the floodgates on student-athlete compensation.
Ziltch.
It’s all driven by football. Until another sport overtakes it in terms of revenue. Hasn’t happened and likely won’t.
That experience still exists at most college levels and in most non-revenue sports at all levels. For D1 football, basketball, and certain other prominant sports at select universities that ship started sailing several years ago and continued steaming faster and farther from port. The decision to allow scheduling that prevented the athletes from regularly attending classes with their fellow students, and the permission of the NCAA to allow the isolation of athletes in housing and dining facilities started the avalanche. Today, the experience of the D1 athlete in high-profile sports looks a hell of a lot more like employer/employee than student/educational institution. It's little wonder that those athletes don't have much regard for the value of a scholarship being adequate compensation for the role they play and the revenue they generate.
SMU did suffer the ignominy of the NCAA death penalty.
Homecoming became a soccer game.
That’s off the table now.
I’m probably out after this season. I‘ll switch my money to support education and D3 models. I’m sick of watching the rules change to protect the Ohio State model. They’d sacrifice virgins in volcanoes if they could get another first down, and the Big Ten and NCAA have become their blatant enablers.
I have no interest in watching a team where 2-3 are made rich at 18 and their teammates become impediments.
I don't know if it was a 30 for 30 episode, but the one on SMU was pretty interesting. The NCAA basically came to the conclusion that that death penalty was such a nuke strike to the program that they would never use it again (so much for it's use as a deterrent).
Funny! I don't think I'm quite there yet, but as I keep on telling my JPC contact, as folks get older they look for reasons to disconnect from activities they've participated in for years. Their job is to provide the fewest amount of reasons they can.
I want to push back a little against the cynical take: Money has always changed hands, players have always decommitted and malcontents have always transferred - accept all of these things as you're a dinosaur who is not with the times. Why do we have to accept institutionalize selfishness, graft and prostitution? If we take all of this to its logical conclusion then we're talking about minor league football completely de-coupled from school and education. To be clear I'm not even totally against that idea because at least it does away with the charade. Baseball and Soccer players can pick NCAA or the Minor Leagues, one or the other. But obviously this is never going to happen for CFB because financial interests in the present model are entirely too entrenched. So alas here we are trying to work simultaneously under two disparate systems that really can't coexist - the charm and romance of amateur student athletes living on ramen noodles and cramming for final exams vs. the cut-throat business of TV rights, University politics and NFL farm projects. I guess longing for some vestiges of the former is prosaic.
If it wasn't used for Penn State we knew it would never be used again.
Your FB team leaves your conference and the NCAA then your hoops program is gone, too.
I just don't see some of these schools with strong basketball traditions giving up the opportunity to play in the NCAA Men's basketball tournament. Or any of the tournaments for any other sport, men's or women's.
Looks like We have Company. Syracuse, Maryland, UNC, Kansas, Purdue, Duke, UCLA, MSU, Illinois, and I'm sure I am missing others.
I don’t think the lack of huge football NIL money (relative to A&M, OSU etc) will set back our program. We have had 20-25 sized recruiting classes with virtually none of our recruits truly/actively being pursued by Bama, OSU, GA etc. It’s not like we were going to land the $2,000,000 type QB’s before NIL. Those schools are going to beat each other up financially, through their boosters, to a staggering degree. We didn’t fight in their playground before NIL and we won’t going forward (ie, no big change).
Our bigger threat is bball as we do land guys like TJD, Malik, Romeo, JHS etc etc that “National championship” type programs covet. I’m guessing our boosters will be using more of their cash for hoops so that we can be nationally competitive while hoping the football team, from a NIL perspective, is at least in the Illinois/Purdue/Maryland/Rutgers arena.
Our bigger threat is bball as we do land guys like TJD, Malik, Romeo, JHS etc etc that “National championship” type programs covet. I’m guessing our boosters will be using more of their cash for hoops so that we can be nationally competitive while hoping the football team, from a NIL perspective, is at least in the Illinois/Purdue/Maryland/Rutgers arena.
Most of the big college basketball programs (with exception of a few) place a serious emphasis on football. So, it’s kind of sink or swim. The top of our own conference has been dominated by schools that are dead serious about football. Hell, UK is having 9-10 win seasons in football in the SEC. They are deadly serious about the success of both. The mindset of IU fans thinking it is either/or shows how far behind the curve the school is.
In a way it is “either/or” for IU because we were not getting the $2,000,000 type QB even before NIL but we do have a chance to get national championship type players in basketball. This year is a good example as we have two top 30 hoops guys coming to IU but there is no way that would happen in football. It is what it is…..
That’s great on paper. Now….can they finish better than 9th? It’s been a lot of talk for the last 20 years.
Duke, KU, Ky, UCLA, UNC, Gonzaga, Baylor, AZ, Lvl, UConn, GT, Villanova, Providence all say “Hi”
You should probably go to a football game at Baylor or UK first before you say they live on basketball alone. They are big fans of football there as well.
If you want to criticize what I post feel free, but I do ask that you limit your criticism to what I actually post and not some crap you make up. K?
I did not say, nor imply that these examples (among many) "live on basketball alone". These examples simply are in contrast to your claim that "only a few" "big time college basketball programs" don't "place a serious emphasis on football" as opposed to what IU does. Now if you want to put UK at the low end of my list or take it off...suit yourself. BTW I have been to two games in LX and I was never impressed all that much. Tailgating sux for sure.
Hope this helps.
C.J. Stroud has a new ride as the Buckeye quarterback just received a brand new Bentley valued at $150,000 as part of an NIL deal.
