Ryan Day Says it Out Loud

[BrownsburgFan]

Yahoo Sports is reporting that Ryan Day told Columbus, OH businessmen that OSU has collected $13 million for NIL purposes to pay for players. He says that a quality quarterback will cost $2 Mil....

How sad that college football has come to this.

From Cleveland.com:

Day said the Buckeyes have been gathering information by talking to recruits and their families and getting a sense of what other schools might be discussing with NIL deals. He said he believes right now top-shelf quarterbacks require $2 million in NIL money. Major offensive tackles and edge rushers he said are about $1 million.

If you can’t match that, other teams might have a chance to pluck key players from your roster. Day told the assembled potential NIL donors that every player on the team could go in the transfer portal when this season ends, and then field calls from other schools who might be offering NIL deals. Players may feel they have to take that money to help their families.

 

[turney333]

Yahoo Sports is reporting that Ryan Day told Columbus, OH businessmen that OSU has collected $13 million for NIL purposes to pay for players. He says that a quality quarterback will cost $2 Mil....

How sad that college football has come to this.

From Cleveland.com:

Come to this? It’s how it’s always been. Dollar amounts have probably increased because NIL, but only because there’s no longer a need to limit the paper trail to reduce risk of getting caught.

 

[Beorik]

SMU was buying cars and houses for recruits in the 80s and said everyone else was as well. Cam Newton’s family was getting $200,000 a pop just for him to come visit a school. This has been going on for a very long time. If you hate NIL then you should have stopped watching college football a long time ago.

 

[Jssanto]

Come to this? It’s how it’s always been. Dollar amounts have probably increased because NIL, but only because there’s no longer a need to limit the paper trail to reduce risk of getting caught.

I understand and agree. It still somehow seems uncontrolled. A heavily endowed school like NotreDame will improve and less economically gifted schools will be reduced.

 

[YOTHN]

I understand and agree. It still somehow seems uncontrolled. A heavily endowed school like NotreDame will improve and less economically gifted schools will be reduced.

That's just it, its always been uncontrolled. People just feel uncomfortable realizing there is too much money in college sports to eliminate the black market. So you might as well legalize it. If you think this is bad for recruiting, you should've seen the differences in amenities Ohio State had to recruit players over what IU had. This has always been the case but now we can raise 2.5mil and steal their QB.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Yahoo Sports is reporting that Ryan Day told Columbus, OH businessmen that OSU has collected $13 million for NIL purposes to pay for players. He says that a quality quarterback will cost $2 Mil....

How sad that college football has come to this.

From Cleveland.com:

I doubt IU will ever compete in this arena in FB. There is plenty of money out there among well-heeled IU donors, but FB just doesn't enjoy the same level of passion with IU fans. BB is another situation completely obviously.

So does it really change anything? Ahia, AL and other elite Football Factories will bid against each other and IU will bid against similar level programs like IL, PU, MN, etc.

IU gets the players they always did and Ahia gets the player they always did.

What has changed?

 

[vesuvius13]

I hope there are high level players and parents that get offended being sold like this and decide to avoid the football factories. Otherwise, the teams like IU have to live on coaching up under the radar players without a chance to move up to bringing in the top players.

 

[welshman#]

IMO this is just another brick in the wall that will be erected for an eventual "super conference" of haves to separate themselves further from the have nots.

Take about 6 teams from the B1G, 6 from SEC, maybe 4 from ACC and 4 from Big 12, another 4-6 from Pac, and then tell the "non-football schools" like IU, Oregon State, Duke, Vandy, etc. to go pound sand once the Super Conf gets its own TV deal.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Sounds like pay cuts for Bucknutz.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I understand and agree. It still somehow seems uncontrolled. A heavily endowed school like NotreDame will improve and less economically gifted schools will be reduced.

Saw this a mile away.

This only allows the true big schools in the country to gain a bigger advantage in recruiting than they already had.
Where folks thought it would benefit IU, it’s damn near a coffin nail for schools trying to catch up.

 

[Jssanto]

Saw this a mile away.

This only allows the true big schools in the country to gain a bigger advantage in recruiting than they already had.
Where folks thought it would benefit IU, it’s damn near a coffin nail for schools trying to catch up.

I agree.
It is pony up or go belly up.

 

[YOTHN]

IMO this is just another brick in the wall that will be erected for an eventual "super conference" of haves to separate themselves further from the have nots.

Take about 6 teams from the B1G, 6 from SEC, maybe 4 from ACC and 4 from Big 12, another 4-6 from Pac, and then tell the "non-football schools" like IU, Oregon State, Duke, Vandy, etc. to go pound sand once the Super Conf gets its own TV deal.

An 18 team league won't satisfy what the fans are looking for nor cover enough area to maintain its monetary value. The smaller colleges would pool together and provide a better product (albeit less talented to start) that spans the entire country.

We don't watch college sports because its the best talent in the world, because its not. We watch it for the pageantry and traditions alongside of our deep rooted connection to our alma mater. By stripping it down to 18 teams, you remove the core of what brings fans to the table and provides them the value in which the NCAA currently holds.

There is validity however, in isolating all of the major conference teams from the smaller teams the major conferences prop up today. Mainly because there are a LOT of major conference teams. But those other teams aren't generating much if any fan support so it holds no real bearing. By having ALL of the teams from the major conferences along with independents, you could keep the money and maintain high value. But if you dismantle who you are blindly chasing to get fat off money.......pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered.

 

[turney333]

An 18 team league won't satisfy what the fans are looking for nor cover enough area to maintain its monetary value. The smaller colleges would pool together and provide a better product (albeit less talented to start) that spans the entire country.

We don't watch college sports because its the best talent in the world, because its not. We watch it for the pageantry and traditions alongside of our deep rooted connection to our alma mater. By stripping it down to 18 teams, you remove the core of what brings fans to the table and provides them the value in which the NCAA currently holds.

There is validity however, in isolating all of the major conference teams from the smaller teams the major conferences prop up today. But those other teams aren't generating much if any fan support so it holds no real bearing. By having ALL of the teams from the major conferences along with independents, you could keep the money and maintain high value. But if you dismantle who you are blindly chasing to get fat off money.......pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered.

also, I don’t think the NIL system is really compatible with a super league. You’re basically asking donors from a bunch traditional powers to collectively pay 10s of millions of dollars in NIL (on top of existing donations for facilities and other operational expenses) to watch their teams lose. What happens when a school like Tennessee or Penn St starts having 3 win seasons on a regular basis.

 

[Jackskip23]

An 18 team league won't satisfy what the fans are looking for nor cover enough area to maintain its monetary value. The smaller colleges would pool together and provide a better product (albeit less talented to start) that spans the entire country.

We don't watch college sports because its the best talent in the world, because its not. We watch it for the pageantry and traditions alongside of our deep rooted connection to our alma mater. By stripping it down to 18 teams, you remove the core of what brings fans to the table and provides them the value in which the NCAA currently holds.

There is validity however, in isolating all of the major conference teams from the smaller teams the major conferences prop up today. Mainly because there are a LOT of major conference teams. But those other teams aren't generating much if any fan support so it holds no real bearing. By having ALL of the teams from the major conferences along with independents, you could keep the money and maintain high value. But if you dismantle who you are blindly chasing to get fat off money.......pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered.

The P5 schools already keep the money and exclude the smaller schools. It’s been that way for years. What some people are wondering is whether the most powerful of of the P5 will break away, leaving schools like IU out. I think that’s very unlikely, but I could see a scenario wherein conferences Distribute monies based on the relative amounts generated by each school rather than an equal amount going to each university. That wouldn’t be good news for IU but it’s better than the top half of the Big ten breaking away. This will only happen if players start to press for a share of revenues generated by the schools, not just because of the impact of NIL.

 

[Crossblock]

Remember the good old days when the car dealers in Norman, Oklahoma created phantom Summer jobs for football players and paid outlandish sums (well at least for that time). I guess that it comes down to that old joke punchline, "now that We have established Who and What We are, all that is left is to agree on the price."

Correct Me if I am wrong about this, but my understanding is that Scholarships aren't flat 4 year commitments but are renewable annually, Obviously We have the transfer portal today, but when do We reach the point where football programs start negotiating "trades of Players between programs. We have John Jones on Scholarship and We paid a great deal of NIL Money to recruit Him, but He isn't panning out for Us. We like your guy Sam Smith. Can We do a straight up trade of the two, or why don't We do Player for Player with some Nil money moving from one school to another.

 

[ElMeson]

Remember the good old days when the car dealers in Norman, Oklahoma created phantom Summer jobs for football players and paid outlandish sums (well at least for that time). I guess that it comes down to that old joke punchline, "now that We have established Who and What We are, all that is left is to agree on the price."

Correct Me if I am wrong about this, but my understanding is that Scholarships aren't flat 4 year commitments but are renewable annually, Obviously We have the transfer portal today, but when do We reach the point where football programs start negotiating "trades of Players between programs. We have John Jones on Scholarship and We paid a great deal of NIL Money to recruit Him, but He isn't panning out for Us. We like your guy Sam Smith. Can We do a straight up trade of the two, or why don't We do Player for Player with some Nil money moving from one school to another.

This is the NCAA’s mess. This has to be figured out and fixed soon. I think they all deserve something but a 5 star QB should not be making more money than his position coach.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

Yahoo Sports is reporting that Ryan Day told Columbus, OH businessmen that OSU has collected $13 million for NIL purposes to pay for players. He says that a quality quarterback will cost $2 Mil....

How sad that college football has come to this.

From Cleveland.com:

Paid amateurs. The pinnacle of OXYMORON! 🤫

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Come to this? It’s how it’s always been. Dollar amounts have probably increased because NIL, but only because there’s no longer a need to limit the paper trail to reduce risk of getting caught.

The transfer part of this is new....a free transfer without sitting out, so now they can do this twice. Once out of high school and once after a year in college.

I've got half a foot out the door. I'll only stick around if IU can recover and be respectable again this fall, otherwise I'll have a whole foot or maybe more out the door this time next year.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

This is the NCAA’s mess. This has to be figured out and fixed soon. I think they all deserve something but a 5 star QB should not be making more money than his position coach.

The NCAA has been rudderless for years. They don’t have competent leadership. I not only see the NCAA not being able to clean it up, I see this as the beginning of the end to any influence the NCAA has. Eventually, don’t know when, schools are going to start breaking away from them at some point and I fully expect some kind of super conference or major realignment down the road. I don’t envision IU in the same conference as these powerhouse programs like OSU and Michigan and Penn State. The gap is too wide. They may keep old alignments for basketball. Similar to ND playing an independent schedule in football but playing an ACC schedule in basketball.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

IMO this is just another brick in the wall that will be erected for an eventual "super conference" of haves to separate themselves further from the have nots.

Take about 6 teams from the B1G, 6 from SEC, maybe 4 from ACC and 4 from Big 12, another 4-6 from Pac, and then tell the "non-football schools" like IU, Oregon State, Duke, Vandy, etc. to go pound sand once the Super Conf gets its own TV deal.

I suspect a Super conference of elite Football factories would be a nighmare of infighting resulting in a revolving door. BIG has potentially four/five candidates AHIA, Mich, PenSt, maybe MSU, Wisky and Neb (if they ever get their act together.

 

[turney333]

The transfer part of this is new....a free transfer without sitting out, so now they can do this twice. Once out of high school and once after a year in college.

I've got half a foot out the door. I'll only stick around if IU can recover and be respectable again this fall, otherwise I'll have a whole foot or maybe more out the door this time next year.

I think that this all will only have a dramatic impact on a very small pool of players. At the end of the day no matter how high NIL money goes, the real money will still be in the NFL. There will definitely be certain players that chase immediate money above anything else, but a lot of players are going to realize that their best path to the NFL (and more long term money) might mean taking less NIL money to stay at a school where they will be a more featured player. And the players that will command the big NIL deals are going to be NFL caliber players

Also there will be domino effects. Let's say that an OSU goes out and poaches a WR (that was under the radar coming out of HS and exploded a smaller school) with a big NIL deal to be their #1 WR. Well, that might result in an existing OSU WR to transfer, and very likely might be a starter that bumped down to 2nd string or even their previous #1 WR anticipating a substantial reduction in receptions.

 

[Bligedy]

I doubt IU will ever compete in this arena in FB. There is plenty of money out there among well-heeled IU donors, but FB just doesn't enjoy the same level of passion with IU fans. BB is another situation completely obviously.

So does it really change anything? Ahia, AL and other elite Football Factories will bid against each other and IU will bid against similar level programs like IL, PU, MN, etc.

IU gets the players they always did and Ahia gets the player they always did.

What has changed?

If you fund NIL with donor money then you will cannibalize the Varsity Club.

 

[turney333]

I suspect a Super conference of elite Football factories would be a nighmare of infighting resulting in a revolving door. BIG has potentially four/five candidates AHIA, Mich, PenSt, maybe MSU, Wisky and Neb (if they ever get their act together.

I do think there is some chance that some elite schools try to form a super conference (under 20%), but suspect that it would then implode within 5-10 years, because those that end up at the bottom on an annual basis will leave, and TV ratings/money won't be high enough to sustain it.

 

[Bligedy]

I suspect a Super conference of elite Football factories would be a nighmare of infighting resulting in a revolving door. BIG has potentially four/five candidates AHIA, Mich, PenSt, maybe MSU, Wisky and Neb (if they ever get their act together.

What consideration do other sports get in this scenario?

 

[Jackskip23]

If you fund NIL with donor money then you will cannibalize the Varsity Club.

I know that’s a concern. In a world of limited funds, re-allocated money from donors leaves a void somewhere. There’s a belief that VC donations will remain stable because season ticket priority is still an issue for most people. The bigger issue might be larger donors who choose to fund NIL initiatives in lieu of other projects. We’re in the early days here, but there are a number of potential outcomes here that wouldn’t be very favorable to a smaller fish like us. Football drives this, and we haven’t chosen to be football driven.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Remember the good old days when the car dealers in Norman, Oklahoma created phantom Summer jobs for football players and paid outlandish sums (well at least for that time). I guess that it comes down to that old joke punchline, "now that We have established Who and What We are, all that is left is to agree on the price."

Correct Me if I am wrong about this, but my understanding is that Scholarships aren't flat 4 year commitments but are renewable annually, Obviously We have the transfer portal today, but when do We reach the point where football programs start negotiating "trades of Players between programs. We have John Jones on Scholarship and We paid a great deal of NIL Money to recruit Him, but He isn't panning out for Us. We like your guy Sam Smith. Can We do a straight up trade of the two, or why don't We do Player for Player with some Nil money moving from one school to another.

Since players are getting paid, why not just do a draft like the NFL does?

 

[turney333]

I know that’s a concern. In a world of limited funds, re-allocated money from donors leaves a void somewhere. There’s a belief that VC donations will remain stable because season ticket priority is still an issue for most people. The bigger issue might be larger donors who choose to fund NIL initiatives in lieu of other projects. We’re in the early days here, but there are a number of potential outcomes here that wouldn’t be very favorable to a smaller fish like us. Football drives this, and we haven’t chosen to be football driven.

Although, its probably not a completely zero sum game. I think there likely a lot of donors that aren't anywhere near maxed out on what they are willing to spend, because doing so wouldn't get them much of a personal benefit and/or they would have a hard time seeing their donation have a clear/tangible impact on the program.

Scenarios:

-Donor gives $20k a year, but has the resources to easily give $40k. They don't go higher because its not worth it to them to only move their season tickets up just a few rows.

-Completely non active donor that could give $20k a year, but season tickets are of no benefit to them because they either live too far away from Bloomington or have too many other obligations to attend games on a regular basis.

NIL deals might be more attractive to people like this because NIL is more tangible than having their donations just be a drop in the bucket in the general fund.

 

[sparkeyreturns]

Yahoo Sports is reporting that Ryan Day told Columbus, OH businessmen that OSU has collected $13 million for NIL purposes to pay for players. He says that a quality quarterback will cost $2 Mil....

How sad that college football has come to this.

From Cleveland.com:

Sounds awesome if you are a talented Quarterback. Seriously, why the hate for a dude who actually plays to get paid a market rate? Big time college sports are not amateur. Please say that as many times as needed for it sink in your mind.

 

[Bligedy]

Although, its probably not a completely zero sum game. I think there likely a lot of donors that aren't anywhere near maxed out on what they are willing to spend, because doing so wouldn't get them much of a personal benefit and/or they would have a hard time seeing their donation have a clear/tangible impact on the program.

Scenarios:

-Donor gives $20k a year, but has the resources to easily give $40k. They don't go higher because its not worth it to them to only move their season tickets up just a few rows.

-Completely non active donor that could give $20k a year, but season tickets are of no benefit to them because they either live too far away from Bloomington or have too many other obligations to attend games on a regular basis.

NIL deals might be more attractive to people like this because NIL is more tangible than having their donations just be a drop in the bucke

I just can't imagine giving 20k a year to an NIL cooperative where you literally get no return on your contribution. People will come to their senses.

 

[oldcougar77]

This is the NCAA’s mess. This has to be figured out and fixed soon. I think they all deserve something but a 5 star QB should not be making more money than his position coach.

Keep in mind this is all driven by a Supreme Court ruling ( and a 9-0 ruling at that) against the NCAA. On top of that, the ruling was pretty vague in regard to how much any athlete could receive. This is going to take awhile - and likely more court rulings - to all sort out. The Court did distinguish that the benefits could be limited to "educational" benefits only, but that value is murky.

The NCAA shit its own bed years ago by clearly using the names and images of star athletes for the profit of member schools without any compensation for the players. It also abandoned any real argument of "true amateurism" by pimping athletes for tv money - especially mens basketball. By creating an environment where athletes were largely segregated from most other students in terms of housing and academic setting, the NCAA found itself laughed out of court when it tried to defend the concept of student-athlete in its current environment. By allowing shoe and apparel deals stretching back 40 or more years that created a class of haves-and-have nots, the NCAA undercut the very foundation that it tried to make in the case - namely that athletics was secondary to academics and the ultimate goal of earning a bachelors degree. The free-for-all transfer rules further undermine the NCAA's false argument that an education is the primary goal. The SC saw through that ruse, as has anyone who follows D1 college sports.

I have no sympathy for the NCAA or member schools for the mess they find themselves in. Their greed has come back to bite them in the ass. It would have been appropriate though if SCOTUS had established a grace period in order for uniform rules to be drafted instead of just leaving the issue to a wild-west outcome. In the meantime, it's going to be a pretty lawless environment unless Congress steps in and establishes some rules. And good luck getting any sort of logical or effective outcome from that dysfunctional lot of self-serving pigs ( unless it can somehow be tied to legislation insuring the members of more grift and further protection against meaningful competition for reelection).

 

[rediufan]

Here's a thought, if a player is making 2M to play at particular school then they do not get a scholarship. Instead, the value of a full scholarship at the given school is deducted from the 2M NIL.

 

[ElMeson]

I just can't imagine giving 20k a year to an NIL cooperative where you literally get no return on your contribution. People will come to their senses.

I totally think the car dealers giving free leases in exchange for advertising is okay. These should be from legitimate companies and the students should be providing something for these companies (advertising or actual likeness). I don’t blame the athletes at all but throwing money into a pot and calling it NIL is not right. It’s like MLB but instead of the Yankees and Dodgers we have Ohio St and Texas.

 

[RegionHoosiers]

I think the super conference idea is great. Take out the 20 or so teams for into a new kind of league and let the rest go back to being college teams.

 

[turney333]

I just can't imagine giving 20k a year to an NIL cooperative where you literally get no return on your contribution. People will come to their senses.

Even if I had an extra $20k that I could spend (which I don't), I don't think I would put it toward an NIL deal either, but people spend money on stupider things all the time, and my point is that once you reach a certain point in Varsity Club donations, additional returns are also minimal.

 

[iu2win]

I still think a cap should be set for every Div. 1 school. How they choose to raise the money and spend it and/or spread it across to players would be up to each school. That would even the playing field a bit while allowing players to get paid. And yet we all know there would be "those" schools who find a way to give that special QB the 5 mill deal.

 

[Tommaker]

What has changed?

The ability to poach off teams downstream and destroy any kind of continuity. There are folks that will watch a team that changes rosters every year because they win, and there are folks that won't.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

The ability to poach off teams downstream and destroy any kind of continuity. There are folks that will watch a team that changes rosters every year because they win, and there are folks that won't.

I won't.

I know UK fans that, even in the earlier years of the Calipari regime when they were more successful than they have been in the last 5 or so years, didn't really care as much about the team/program bc of the 100% roster turnover each year. The excitement of having the top incoming class every year wore off after a few years. Obvi that's not everyone, but I knew quite a few people that felt that way.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

I still think a cap should be set for every Div. 1 school. How they choose to raise the money and spend it and/or spread it across to players would be up to each school. That would even the playing field a bit while allowing players to get paid. And yet we all know there would be "those" schools who find a way to give that special QB the 5 mill deal.

Good idea....but schools would just go back to paying under the table since the NCAA has no ability to actually stop them.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Good idea....but schools would just go back to paying under the table since the NCAA has no ability to actually stop them.

I don't care what anyone says, the under the table paying wasn't anywhere near what the dollar figures are for NIL that are being thrown around currently.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

The ability to poach off teams downstream and destroy any kind of continuity. There are folks that will watch a team that changes rosters every year because they win, and there are folks that won't.

Players have always transferred.