Rutgers Idiot of a coach Suspended, Fined.

[travlinhoosier]

Coach contacts a prof to change a player's grade. Ad advisor tells him he couldn't do that. President hears about it. Suspends coach a few games and fines him. He should have fired him though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-fined-for-interventions-with-academic-staff/

 

[oldcougar77]

Coach contacts a prof to change a player's grade. Ad advisor tells him he couldn't do that. President hears about it. Suspends coach a few games and fines him. He should have fired him though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-fined-for-interventions-with-academic-staff/

Basketball coach fired over abusive behavior, now the football coach guilty of academic tampering. Football program overrun with thugs. Nice addition to the B1G. Delaney and co. must be very proud. But hey, that NY television market makes it all worth it. Here's hoping Rutgers' football team is out on parole in time for the B1G mens' basketball conference tourney at MSG. Way to represent.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Basketball coach fired over abusive behavior, now the football coach guilty of academic tampering. Football program overrun with thugs. Nice addition to the B1G. Delaney and co. must be very proud. But hey, that NY television market makes it all worth it. Here's hoping Rutgers' football team is out on parole in time for the B1G mens' basketball conference tourney at MSG. Way to represent.

Teammate nearly kills another. Blood all over the road. Same player caught a year later in vehicle with vodka. 3 players fail drug test. Receive short suspension. Player running major drug operation dealing in heroin, meth and coke.
Former coach caught on tape choking player.

Glass houses and all of that.....

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Guess what game is Coach Flood's first game back?

Uh oh.

 

[oldcougar77]

Teammate nearly kills another. Blood all over the road. Same player caught a year later in vehicle with vodka. 3 players fail drug test. Receive short suspension. Player running major drug operation dealing in heroin, meth and coke.
Former coach caught on tape choking player.

Glass houses and all of that.....

Touche' (to some extent). I wouldn't equate alcohol/marijuana offenses with home invasion and assault. All programs at some point have these kinds of violations. Not that those players didn't deserve a tougher penalty. And Crean is on a very short leash as he should be. I won't begin to defend Knight. What ultimately happened to him should have happened years earlier.

A. Allen was apparently an isolated criminal who was promptly removed. Eleven guys in your program engaged in violent criminal behavior screams that there is a cultural problem in the program that is tolerated by the coaching staff (FSU-esque). Knowingly committing academic tampering, especially after being advised of such, should be grounds for immediate dismissal. I'll give the University the benefit of the doubt as Flood may still not survive. He might even be gone by the time IU hosts RU in October.

My point is that the expansion of the B1G to include Maryland and Rutgers was motivated by nothing but greed. These two were a bad geographic fit and unnecessary from a competition standpoint. Rutgers adds nothing (but embarrassment). Maryland belongs in the ACC with its traditional rivals. And IU gets to play most of its historical rivals once every 7-8 years now so that Maryland and Rutgers can be accommodated. Oh, and fans of the "real" Big Ten schools get to travel a thousand miles to watch their basketball teams in the conference's premier event. So yeah, I take a little delight in seeing Rutgers give the new B1G a black eye.

 

[tigerchump]

Touche' (to some extent). I wouldn't equate alcohol/marijuana offenses with home invasion and assault. All programs at some point have these kinds of violations. Not that those players didn't deserve a tougher penalty. And Crean is on a very short leash as he should be. I won't begin to defend Knight. What ultimately happened to him should have happened years earlier.

A. Allen was apparently an isolated criminal who was promptly removed. Eleven guys in your program engaged in violent criminal behavior screams that there is a cultural problem in the program that is tolerated by the coaching staff (FSU-esque). Knowingly committing academic tampering, especially after being advised of such, should be grounds for immediate dismissal. I'll give the University the benefit of the doubt as Flood may still not survive. He might even be gone by the time IU hosts RU in October.

My point is that the expansion of the B1G to include Maryland and Rutgers was motivated by nothing but greed. These two were a bad geographic fit and unnecessary from a competition standpoint. Rutgers adds nothing (but embarrassment). Maryland belongs in the ACC with its traditional rivals. And IU gets to play most of its historical rivals once every 7-8 years now so that Maryland and Rutgers can be accommodated. Oh, and fans of the "real" Big Ten schools get to travel a thousand miles to watch their basketball teams in the conference's premier event. So yeah, I take a little delight in seeing Rutgers give the new B1G a black eye.

Good post.I never thought I would say this 20 years or so ago,but I am more turned off to sports every day.Think Ill go to the bookstore tomorrow and buy some good books not related to sports.

 

[Vididiot]

Coach contacts a prof to change a player's grade. Ad advisor tells him he couldn't do that. President hears about it. Suspends coach a few games and fines him. He should have fired him though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-fined-for-interventions-with-academic-staff/

If you read the actual report of the investigation, Flood said in his first email that he was sending the message on his personal email so that the message couldn't be publicly "vetted." Then he said at the meeting with the professor that he didn't wear any Rutgers gear to avoid being recognized. So this was all an intentional act with the full knowledge it was wrong. I don't know what's worse, the act of knowingly violating the rules or the stupidity of his statements made in the email and in person.

 

[turney333]

If you read the actual report of the investigation, Flood said in his first email that he was sending the message on his personal email so that the message couldn't be publicly "vetted." Then he said at the meeting with the professor that he didn't wear any Rutgers gear to avoid being recognized. So this was all an intentional act with the full knowledge it was wrong. I don't know what's worse, the act of knowingly violating the rules or the stupidity of his statements made in the email and in person.

To me those things should have gotten him fired. Its one thing overstep and violate a rule, but its completely another actively attempt to conceal it, which also demonstrates Flood's knowledge of how severe the violation was.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

A. Allen was apparently an isolated criminal who was promptly removed. Eleven guys in your program engaged in violent criminal behavior screams that there is a cultural problem in the program that is tolerated by the coaching staff (FSU-esque). Knowingly committing academic tampering, especially after being advised of such, should be grounds for immediate dismissal. I'll give the University the benefit of the doubt as Flood may still not survive.

This is incredibly presumptuous on your part. No way you can draw all these conclusions without a great deal of additional information. Glass houses and all, Part II. Wow.

Isn't being presumptuous at the heart and soul of a message board?

Sure, their issues are glaring but I don't think it's time yet to throw stones when we've seen more of our own issues in the last 5 years than we did at any time in the previous 50.

Sometimes, when you recruit a better player, you also bring on more baggage.

 

[fx400]

Isn't being presumptuous at the heart and soul of a message board?

Sure, their issues are glaring but I don't think it's time yet to throw stones when we've seen more of our own issues in the last 5 years than we did at any time in the previous 50.

Sometimes, when you recruit a better player, you also bring on more baggage.

Big Red is a Indiana fan? I thought a Rutgers guy came on to defend their program.. So an IU fan is defending RU at IU's expense about a coach for trying to get a grade changed. Wow, this really is Bizzaro world.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

He wasn't concealing it from the professor, so I'm not sure what he thought he could hide. Seems like a ham handed attempt to intervene on behalf of his player, though there's nothing there that suggests it's a fireable offense. He didn't threaten, intimidate or otherwise coerce anyone, and he didn't attempt to exact any revenge when he didn't get what he wanted. Sloppy and ill advised, but not termination worthy.

If you read the transcript of the phone conversation between Flood an an academic adviser, you'd have a different opinion. When Flood informed the advisor that he was going to the professor the advisor specifically told him "Coach, you cannot do that."
Flood replied: "This conversation stays between us"
Advisor replied: "This conversation never happened. I want no part of this."

 

[nwregionite]

boy they have been an embarrassment since they've joined the conference

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

boy they have been an embarrassment since they've joined the conference

Football-wise, they have been vastly improved when Schiano came aboard. He started recruiting Florida heavily but they also took many high risk, high reward guys.
They represented well last year in their first year and I hate to say it but they have more talent on the roster than us. The bad deal is they get Flood back for his first game with IU and they will be fired up to win one for the coach.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Big Red is a Indiana fan? I thought a Rutgers guy came on to defend their program.. So an IU fan is defending RU at IU's expense about a coach for trying to get a grade changed. Wow, this really is Bizzaro world.

Yes - I am all IU all the time.
However, I lost the Crimson tinted glasses many years ago. I am certainly not defending what happened at Rutgers. However, I hate when our fans get on their soap boxes to denounce other schools when we have our share of issues.

 

[nwregionite]

I wasn't talking about their football program I was talking about there entire athletic program. top to bottom...regardless of their on field play...it has been a disaster. not only scandals but cover ups that the administration has shown to be at least in part involved in.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Have read the transcript and feel no differently. He messed up and earned a suspension, but it's not a fireable offense.

Interesting.
University tells the coach not to do it that it is against the rules and he does it anyway, taking measures to ensure he is not wearing Rutgers gear so he isn't recognized.

Yeah, you're probably right: just a mess-up. Probably a big misunderstanding.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

You don't think that identifying himself by name probably meant that not wearing Rutgers gear really didn't matte? Interesting. Are you really trying to make that weak argument? Wow. By the way, did he try to intimidate, threaten or coerce the professor? Amazingly, you ducked that question. Lol.

I'm not going to sit here and try to argue with you on this.
You obviously have a very different moral compass.

The guy knew it was wrong, was told so and he did it anyway.
And, this nonsense that he was just trying to help the kid because he's such a super special, caring guy is.....well, I've got some swamp land in NJ for you if you are interested?

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

It has nothing to do with a "moral compass". He messed up and he's paying a heavy price for it. You simply want to fire anyone who makes a mistake, even going so far as to try and sell the argument that he was trying to hide his actions (there's no evidence that he didn't clearly identify himself to the professor, a point that went way over your head) by not wearing Rutgers gear. Too, too funny, though completely without thought on your part. But I don't blame you for trying to sell your swamp land. That had to be an embarrassing buy for you. Mom and Dad couldn't have been pleased.

Thanks for confirming what we thought about you.

Heavy price. You are a funny man.

 

[turney333]

We? Too funny. What you're really saying is that you're incapable of an intelligent response. That's what I always knew about you. Your posts make that clear.

The professor clearly knew who he was as they had been emailing back and forth. He wasn't trying to conceal himself from the professor, he was trying to make sure no one spotted them together.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

The coach KNEW what he was doing was against the rules and did it anyway. It wasn't a simple mistake.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Who claimed it was a simple mistake? If you wanted him fired, fine. You still keep running from the questions I asked because you lack the ability to actually form an intelligent response. Not a great surprise.

Hope you're prepared to be consistent with that type of one strike and you're out policy. No school anywhere, including the one you claim to cheer for, will keep any coach for very long. Guessing you'd be the master of the double standard, though. Lol.

Boy, you truly are dense.
He was told/advised that it was a violation and did it anyway. How difficult for you to understand he knowingly broke the rules?
Yes - that is cause for termination...at Rutgers, IU or any institution faced with the same. Go read the majority opinion of other fans from RU and other conference members about what the outcome. Your whole argument is that Flood made a "mistake." In your world, a mistake is knowingly going against the warning of academic counsel....whatever.

 

[Daydreamer]

Enough with the personal stuff or I start handing out suspensions. We have a damn game tomorrow. Focus on that.