Rob - Get well soon.
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This was one of those games you just have to get through. I liked how Romeo took over at the start of the second half. He set the stage for us to have a double digit lead. I didn't see the first half because I had a board meeting. But I did see the tip by Justin to close the half. Good win. Go IU!!
Romeo should play PG if Rob cant play.
Hopefully Devonte Green wants to play his last year closer to home.
Hopefully Devonte Green wants to play his last year closer to home.
Romeo at PG is a better option than DG. We won't win many more games with DG at PG. 3-11 from field, 3 assists, 4 TO's.
No shit. We're suffering without him. So sloppy & careless with the ball, so hard to watch, & so frustrating--because it's 100% brains, & 0% physical ability(taking care of & being responsible with the basketball, I'm speaking of).
You know, I hate to admit it, but I actually wished he had transferred over the summer for a minute there during tonight's game. Absolutely clueless as a PG. & he was "so improved" this off-season. At what??
4 turnovers seems awfully generous. The 3 air balls he shot on cute, flip the ball, layups ought to count as TO and missed FG!
i hope franklin comes ready to play. this team needs guards badly.
Yes. As a point guard, he makes things harder than they have to be. His most frustrating point for me is the continual dribbling and poor initiation of the offense. We lose half the shot-clock and then begin scrambling to throw up anything. Simple fundamentals is all we need, which Rob does very well. I do believe Green has value off the bench as a shooter and play-maker. He is exciting and productive in short-term moments.
He either, isn't capable of playing PG mentally, or isn't willing(well, I suppose it could be both), because he sure as hell is physically capable of playing PG as well as he wants to. He has more physical ability & talent than Phinisee does, although Rob's strength & ability to get to the basket is a remarkable physical skill worth noting for a player his size.
The one shot of Green's fell about 3 feet short. As if that wasn't bad enough, he shot the "teardrop" from only about 6' out. One could watch a full weekend of games on any playground and not see a shot that poorly executed. Let's be kind and just say it's a difficult shot to master and Green is one of those who hasn't mastered it, yet.
The issue is he isn’t a point guard and isn’t overly talented. He was a low rated 3 star recruit for a reason. He is a really good on the ball defender and can be an asset coming off the bench. Rob is the only point guard on the team and every other guard, including Romeo, struggle to bring the ball up the court.
It was still pretty obvious we performed better as a team tonight* with Greene out there then Durham.
And im no fan of Greenes.
But in fairness as long as he isnt jacking up threes in transition im not pssst.
He normaly makes those drive to basket lay ups\tear drops.
He was just off tonight.
And im no fan of Greenes.
But in fairness as long as he isnt jacking up threes in transition im not pssst.
He normaly makes those drive to basket lay ups\tear drops.
He was just off tonight.
Our defensive ppp is almost .30 lower with Green than without.
That's gigantic.
Yeah let's hope he transfers so we can be perpetually young while playing a packline defense.
Everyone knows that the best offensive lines in football are the ones that constantly have rookies.
That being said he definitely struggled offensively tonight, no doubt.
He didn't force like he normally does which was good in an off night.
He played really well defensively.
Our best lineups had Green in them tonight even with the offensive struggles, but let's hope he transfers.
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That's gigantic.
Yeah let's hope he transfers so we can be perpetually young while playing a packline defense.
Everyone knows that the best offensive lines in football are the ones that constantly have rookies.
That being said he definitely struggled offensively tonight, no doubt.
He didn't force like he normally does which was good in an off night.
He played really well defensively.
Our best lineups had Green in them tonight even with the offensive struggles, but let's hope he transfers.
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We are getting ready to go on the road, I'm telling you we are f*cked if he's our point guard.
Right ... it's always bitch moan, bitch moan, about something Win = bitch moan complain. 12-2 = bitch moan complain. 3-0 = bitch moan complain.
Bunch of pussies and serial malcontents.
Hell, there are posters on the premium board right now blaming "the liberals" for Rob still being in concussion protocol.
Our best lineup had Green in it? What other option you got?
I think the issue is that he's not a point guard because he doesn't care to be a point guard. Not that he can't be one.
DG is a tweener. Neither a skilled 1 or 2 he is out there primarily for defense which he is skilled at. In a three guard set he has a clear role as long as IU has a Servicable 1 on the floor.
It isn't DG's fault that RP is hurt or that there is not yet a stronger backup 1. This roster is not yet formed.
It isn't DG's fault that RP is hurt or that there is not yet a stronger backup 1. This roster is not yet formed.
I do not want Green to transfer. I have always thought his best role was off the ball as a 3 and D player. I think he would thrive in a starting lineup with Rob and Romeo but injuries haven't allowed them to play that trio together much. Obviously his shooting last night didn't promote that idea either but I think his overall offensive game including his shooting will struggle when he has to be the decision maker on a consistant basis. Maybe he will figure it out by next year but him running the team should be tabled, IMO, for now. I'd rather Romeo and even Morgan be the guys initiating the offense when RP is out.
If he plays in a three guard set as the three he doesn't need to shoot unless he has the open lane. He is out there for defense.
Well until Rob is back healthy, Green will be handling the ball a lot. Once Rob is back, Devonte needs to find his role and accept it. Justin Smith struggled early on to find his role, but he is now doing what the team needs of him. Devonte will have to do the same. I'm just not sure Devonte can limit himself to a small role. I hope I'm wrong. He just goes freelance at any given moment.
3-4 of those bad shots were so horrible that they were, in practical effect, TOs.
So, he was 3/11 with 4 TOs and 3 assists....but for practical purposes it felt more like 3/8 with 7 TOs & 3 assists.
I'm 'over' Green as well.......but while I understand the sentiment, DG leaving, either voluntarily or with encouragement, would screw us for this year & next year.
Archie would have to beat the bushes for a Dakich-like replacement from the grad transfer market.
Missing out on DJ Carlton is looming pretty large right now.
What's actually kind of funny to watch, in a manic sort of way, is when he dives into a crowd of defenders, dribbling between his legs, and somehow DOESN'T turn the ball over. Certainly shakes your confidence...
You have to give Archie a lot of credit for what he's done with Smith and what he's still trying to do with Green. He's had the patience of Job with these guys. He's a bottom-line guy who realizes he needs both of them and he has to get as much positive play from them as possible.
That’s where we part ways. DG is playing point guard out of necessity and is shooting/combo guard. It’s Crean’s last shit sandwich for Indiana fans. Forgetting to recruit a point guard his last 5 years (including Durham’s class) at Indiana.
except when he turns it over. then there is no defense. seems every time he throws it to the other team he drops his head and quits playing while everyone else races down the court.
agree. now i feel like we need a backup point guard next season. if brooks decides for another school i wonder if anyone good enough is available. perhaps a grad transfer is the way to go. love green's defense but my heart rate goes up everytime he handles the ball
I don't disagree with that, my point is DG COULD play a better PG if wanted/tried to. It's not theoretical physics. He's played basketball his entire life. He's a good ball handler. He can pass-makes excellent post entries. The problem is he'd RATHER score the ball himself. That's a choice. Not an imminent inability.
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I think we're f*cked anyway. However, if RP could have played Sunday, it would have been more competitive. DG was very hard to watch last night, but then again, he usually is.
