Bridge the gap until we have one of the younger candidates prove themselves? Kinda reminds me of Lon Kruger (sp?) situation back in the day.
Rick Barnes
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Why would he leave Tennessee for Indiana?
Should have hired Barnes 2 decades ago.
Also, the SEC is better than the B10 right now.
Beilein would’ve been easier to lure and is a better coach. When Davis was out is when IU had their chance to set the program right and get us back to blue blood status. Now it’s near impossible.
Brad Brownell? He’s a bigger risk imo. Where I’m going with this, it’s ok to swing for the fences and we should. However, our backup plan for the last hire was chit and we should be better prepared this time around. Barnes is not going to be a sexy hire but if we are looking for someone to steady the program he should get a look.
don't think he would look at us. some of you are as delusional as Woodson.
Not near impossible. Florida has some young dude I’ve never heard of. His teams are fun to watch, they’ve got good ball players inside and outside, and they’ll have made the tourney his first two seasons. There are probably more than a dozen guys like Florida’s coach roaming college sidelines right now. Winning games with well balanced, well coached teams. And that’s not including the more proven guys like Matta, Beard, Smart, and Oats.
Dolson either has 2-3 more weeks, or a year and 2-3 weeks to scour all of college basketball…ID a list of guys that fit what he wants IU to be…vet them…and get the right guy.
It won’t be hard for a good coach to win at IU. We just haven’t had one in a long, long time.
no, and that's what got us in this mess in the first place. Just get it over with and let people deal with idea that we may not be winning much for a couple years, but the pot is being stirred correctly and it's fun to watch again at least. Boring basketball is still boring done right and most boring teams are fragile come tourney time when their way of winning stops working so easily. We are boring and bad at that, I'm not sure this group has the energy to lose trying anymore, a total upheaval is needed top to bottom.
The perception of the IU job to better coaches as elite still is irrelevant. Would you want to beg for someone who is scared of the job? What is relevant is for the administration to present themselves as willing to pay with the expectation that a culture of losing will no longer be tolerated. You want somebody who is self-confident enough to handle that, if they can't, for whatever reason, then they're not the right hire.
I don’t like Rick’s record. And he would cost a fortune, UT spends pretty big and has nice NIL, would be a tough hire. He seems to like coaching at big football schools. Pass.
I live in Tennessee with two children who are now alums of the University of Tennessee. There is nothing here that signals that he's unhappy. He's not under much pressure, that's football. Why would he have interest in the Indiana job at this stage in his life and career?
Brownell's a smart dude who can coach. He'd right the ship for sure. And I can't see him not taking the job. I'm for it.
I think Brownell could be successful, and his overall style probably fits B10 basketball fairly well. I personally wouldn't choose him, because of his style of play. But I do think he'd make IU a consistent winner. I just doubt he'd get us back to 1970-1990 levels of winning. He's had a long time to get that done at an ACC school, and it hasn't happened down there.
If I'm doing a search, right now...
Brinks truck, all in, what would it take we'll do it... Billy Donovan. I'd be starting those inquiries and discussions already with him.
While doing that, I'd have feelers out to proven high level college guys as well...Matta, Smart, Drew.
While doing that, I'd have feelers out to obviously good, yet somewhat unproven guys...Oats, Beard.
While doing that, I'd also have feelers out for a few guys that are less proven, but I love their approach, mindset, what their teams play like, and that have had success in college as head coaches... May, Schertz, Golden.
That's 7-10 guys, that I like watching their teams play, that would obviously be upgrades to what we have now. At least one of those guys would take the IU job if offered, you'd have to think. I don't know who, but one of the guys on that list would.
When I go through these thoughts of coaching candidates, I get more and more pissed off that we landed on Woodson last time.
Don't let my post a couple days ago about what I think Woodson can do to turn things around...get confused with me thinking we wouldn't be better off with any coach from the lists I had above.
He has a good gig given the FB nature of the school.
May not want the pressure at this point despite the obvious advantages.
IU plays well...run to IU board and ask where all the negative posters are...
Negative news drives clicks, I'd say this is fairly established in pretty much all walks of life these days. And shouldn't be surprising on a fan message board.
I have no idea who we should pursue or who would accept the position if offered.
I do think we are moving into the undesirable coaching spot and many guys would not want us.
If I am correct, we will have to choose from non power conferences or a young assistant from a bigger school.
I do think we are moving into the undesirable coaching spot and many guys would not want us.
If I am correct, we will have to choose from non power conferences or a young assistant from a bigger school.
We can pay a lot and have a lot of NIL. I have hope fwiw.
I’d really like someone from a large school so they know how to navigate the complexities of a big program.
Archie's experience should be a red flag for hiring seemingly successful coaches from smaller schools.
But I think experience coaching at a bigger, P5 level program should only be one of a handful of parameters to vet candidates.
Obviously its possible our situation and head coaching position just isn't all that desirable any more...but I find that hard to fully believe.
Donovan, Matta, Smart, Drew, Oats, Beard... I'd be shocked if none of these guys were interested.
i don't think he would at all, at his age, he has a better shot at it all just right where he is
Now? Or ever? And why?
We openly went after Stevens, hard, last time. I know all the Donovan rumors were dumb, but Id be surprised if they weren't rooted in something of substance.
Obviously none of us have a clue how or why we ended up with Woodson last time. But if we do end up firing Woodson, either this year or next, that kind of implies that the decision makers would be owning up to their own mistakes. I would like to think that opens up the decision making for the next hire a little bit...and hopefully that means they do go after some guys on my list...because they should.
I think we should be hopeful.
I think we'll pay $6M+ per year to the right person. We offered something like that, probably above it, to Brad. We're still in a mega-conference w/ big TV $ and we're hitting record athletic dept revenues every year.
We have a lot of NIL, and with the right coach, maybe a ton of NIL. The right coach will get everyone excited. Despite everything that's happened, we'd still love to have a good bball team.
Coaches have egos and there is not much better in college bball than being good at IU. The whole state follows you and you run Bloomington.
We'll see.
Anyone from the list of proven guys I mentioned, would do all the things you mentioned, likely in very short order.
Donovan... only question mark would be what his NBA experiences would do to his coaching philosophies. Also, could he thrive and/or stomach the new portal dynamics. Assuming those questions have positive answers, he'd be dominant at IU.
Matta... his track record at OSU, and his ability to land elite level players from Indiana, and close "regional" states while at OSU, one would think, would transfer well to IU. Same questions as Donovan on how he'll fare in the portal world. But he showed an incredible ability to attract talent at OSU, AND to change and tweak styles and philosophies to get the most out of them...
Smart... He wins everywhere he goes. And I love his style of play, and his overall demeanor and personality. The main red flag would be his "failure" at Texas. Whatever caused that is something worth flushing out, and making sure that wouldn't be applicable at IU. But he's broken through and made a final four before. He has Marquette as a top 10 level program. And again, I just love his overalls style of play. And I think IU fans would end up loving it too.
Drew... There are some IU issues here. And I know not everyone is a fan of his. But I do love the types of guards he has attracted, and produced at Baylor. I think his style and model, has proven to be very consistent. We haven't had guards like Butler or Mitchell at IU in...well seems like never...and he has them every single year. I'd LOVE to follow an IU team that consistently had elite level guard play like that, with athletic rebounding/defending machine bigs. I think that style would pose huge problems for the rest of the B10 too.
Oats... Similar to Drew, but without the proven success yet. He attracts "ball players"...and then wins with them. Alabama has been a difficult place to win at, and he's winning there...to the point where he's making them one of, if not the, top programs in the SEC. I can't fathom that he wouldn't, fairly easily, do the same at IU. Further, he plays an up tempo, three point shooting focused, style...that again, I think IU fans would love to watch.
Beard... Of all the coaches on here, probably the least proven. But he did take Texas Tech to a natty game. His teams are always seemingly solid. And in short order, he's made Ole Miss an NCAA caliber program and team. He showed his chops in the portal world at Texas...and it seemed like he had them headed to the top of the Big 12...before his most obvious and major red flag hit...the domestic abuse stuff. If that is navigable, for IU, and it isn't something that's a character issue for Beard...he'd be a great long term answer at IU.
One of these guys would take on the challenge, for the pay you mention, and for the chance at college bball immortality.
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