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Religious liberty moves to rear of the bus

Therein lies the problem. I have had to take DEI training on multiple occasions and all of them were focused in some form or fashion on what is "dominant" and how people who fall into that category should be forced to change their behavior in order to accommodate whatever is deemed "not dominant".

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group

DEI programs are built on racism and sexism. You may think it is benevolent racism and sexism but that does not make them any less racist or sexist. In your examples, you are using a color modifier to separate out behavior and then arguing that the dominant culture should be forced to recognize that they are the dominant culture and then change their behavior to accept the non-dominant culture and really we are just substituting "culture" for race.

In your Japan example, I would expect that Japan is going to be mostly Japanese and that expecting them to cater to me specifically is just going to further "other" me. I would also realize that the DEI that people complain about isn't "let's have Taco Tuesday" either. DEI would tell the Japanese that any organization they have built that is based on Japanese values is invalid because it fails to take me into consideration. Furthermore, any of its institutions that were set up by Japanese people for Japan are no longer valid either unless they diversify by adding me and my Western values. Any Japanese person who pushes back against that would be asked to check their Japanese privilege and face termination from their jobs for questioning that line of thought. They must attend sessions where I get to explain to them how awful it was when they bombed Pearl Harbor and raped Nanking but any discussion on anything that would paint Americans in a negative light is verboten.

That is modern DEI programs. I think there is some value in DEI and it is unfortunate what it was allowed to become. I think the current version needs ripped out root and stem and we need to start over.
And do non-DEI programs/status quo have racism and sexism built into them?
 
It gave no specifics because the AG is investigating what is going on to see if there is anything problematic. Do you believe it's a violation of religious liberty for the AG to investigate?

We keep hearing about DEI because Democrats made it a principal plank of their ideology and it IS in schools still to this day (remember when a bunch of people argued it wasn't?). A lot of people want that ideology removed from government and schools. That does not mean they want to support racism, just as those of us who have read and understand what anti-racism is and are against it, don't want racism to flourish.

To me, the big question is not, as you say, does racism exist. Of course it does. The big question is what to do about it. For me, two wrongs do not make a right. Many on the DEI side think the opposite.
You wrote that Rokita "is investigating what is going on to see if there is anything problematic."

OK, prove it. Specifically, prove that Rokita's motive is so pure and innocent.

Prove that Rokita's motive for investigating was anything OTHER than what it patently looks like -- using taxpayer money to create radical conservative headlines attacking political enemies he claims are "woke" (whatever that is) to cause them monetary injury while his own expense is paid for by taxpayers.

You are out of your lane supporting Rokita. He is not really a "conservative" but a just a petty opportunist.
 
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You wrote that Rokita "is investigating what is going on to see if there is anything problematic."

OK, prove it. Specifically, prove that Rokita's motive is so pure and innocent.

Prove that Rokita's motive for investigating was anything OTHER than what it patently looks like -- using taxpayer money to create radical conservative headlines attacking political enemies he claims are "woke" (whatever that is) to cause them monetary injury while his own expense is paid for by taxpayers.

You are out of your lane supporting Rokita. He is not really a "conservative" but a just a petty opportunist.

Are you saying you’d be more receptive to this if if was some other AG behind it?

Isn’t the “what” a lot more important than the “who”? And I say that as somebody who shares you disdain for him.
 
Are you saying you’d be more receptive to this if if was some other AG behind it?

Isn’t the “what” a lot more important than the “who”? And I say that as somebody who shares you disdain for him.
I am "saying" what I said. I said nothing at all about "some other AG." But you did.

That's your tactic of trying to deflect, distract, misdirect the discussion. In doing so, you have admitted you have nothing to offer in actual defense of Rokita. Thank you.

[Insert dumb response here .......].
 
I am "saying" what I said. I said nothing at all about "some other AG." But you did.

That's your tactic of trying to deflect, distract, misdirect the discussion. In doing so, you have admitted you have nothing to offer in actual defense of Rokita. Thank you.

[Insert dumb response here .......].
FYI you’re engaging with someone who was markedly smarter than you by middle school. You’re just too stupid to recognize it
 
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The Japanese example fails in one way, in America Blacks and women were here but were not at all invited to the table when deciding what American culture is. The unwritten laws did not include many Americans.

We have seen DEI here, on this board, by conservatives. A left poster was attacked for using the term "short bus". It was a correct action by the conservatives and it makes the board more inclusive. We have also seen the use of "retarded" treated similarly.

I am not denying DEI can and has gone too far. But here is an example from our not too distant past, a n Atlanta Hawks exec thought their attendance of Whites was impacted by the number of Blacks attending. I completely believe that is possible. My guess is Black can be a variable. A White walking into an arena of 12,000 Asians or Hispanics would feel uncomfortable. A male walking into 12,000 women would be uncomfortable. I think we can recognize this. We are segregated. A Black coming to IU from Pike probably is not adjusted in standing out so much. What is wrong with recognizing that?

My take is that DePaul has a program called DEI and that name alone is the friction point. They have student groups for Black's, Asians, etc. They say all are welcome to attend.

IU has programs to help older people apply and attend. Believe me, at 64 I stand out as a student. Is that racist of IU?

If the state wants to go after DEI, it should explain how it is also going after this racism:

Your linked paper is from 2003. Maybe the state could request an updated and relavent study.
 
If they're not doing anything illegal, they have nothing to worry about.
Whoa boy. While this is just a letter, it's a letter from the government seeking information and we know exactly why it was sent and what will happen next.

That statement above has been used by every dictatorship in history. Slippery slope identifier.

it's just now worth it
Freudian slip but you are right, of course.

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Stop more illegals from coming in. Get rid of those that are here.
Non-responsive but kudos for at least advancing an argument. Half the people here won’t/can’t do that.

I agree with your first sentence. The second is far too broad. Sectors of the economy would collapse if all the undocumented migrants were deported. Even Trump appeared to recognize that recently.

There are other reasons for selective deportation but no time for that discussion now. And, to my earlier point, it would be unconscionable to conduct immigration enforcement activities at churches.
 
Whoa boy. While this is just a letter, it's a letter from the government seeking information and we know exactly why it was sent and what will happen next.

That statement above has been used by every dictatorship in history. Slippery slope identifier.


Freudian slip but you are right, of course.

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Every federal administration over the last 50 years has probably written similar letters asking for information regarding potential illegal behavior. Were we on the slippery slope to dictatorship then?
 
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Every federal administration over the last 50 years has probably written similar letters asking for information regarding potential illegal behavior. Were we on the slippery slope to dictatorship then?
Clearly.

I just hate that phrase. Probably b/c I've personally heard it 100 times in my life and I was only doing something illegal like 20% of the time mom. Or Officer. Or wife.
 
Clearly.

I just hate that phrase. Probably b/c I've personally heard it 100 times in my life and I was only doing something illegal like 20% of the time mom. Or Officer. Or wife.
Yeah, I tacked it on as a call back to the Dems chasing after Trump.
 
Hated it then too. Trump reminds me of Jerred Vennet from The Big Short. So nakedly transparent that you almost respect it in a way. I mean, I hate it. But it's honest hate.
It's really a fascinating question: is it better to be outwardly corrupt and dare the other side to stop you, or hide your corruption so that the masses think their leader is virtuous when he is not?

It reminds me of a piece I read years ago (it might have been the late '90s, early 00's). The author defended those who lie about adultery, saying it was much better to have a society where families were kept intact, even if the spouses were practicing infidelity, than an alternative that called for honesty being the best policy and having people disclose their affairs with the attendant higher rater of divorce.
 
You can't predict the outcome without first knowing what the issue is. Without more facts, we don't know the issue here.
True. I don’t know the wording of the Indiana statute or the language of the allegedly DEI policy. But a 9 zip SCOTUS opinion avoiding religious entanglement questions can’t hurt.
 
It's really a fascinating question: is it better to be outwardly corrupt and dare the other side to stop you, or hide your corruption so that the masses think their leader is virtuous when he is not?

It reminds me of a piece I read years ago (it might have been the late '90s, early 00's). The author defended those who lie about adultery, saying it was much better to have a society where families were kept intact, even if the spouses were practicing infidelity, than an alternative that called for honesty being the best policy and having people disclose their affairs with the attendant higher rater of divorce.
I wonder which causes divorce more frequently, money issues or infidelity.

I'm probably leaning infidelity but I bet it's way closer than you'd think.
 
It's really a fascinating question: is it better to be outwardly corrupt and dare the other side to stop you, or hide your corruption so that the masses think their leader is virtuous when he is not?

It reminds me of a piece I read years ago (it might have been the late '90s, early 00's). The author defended those who lie about adultery, saying it was much better to have a society where families were kept intact, even if the spouses were practicing infidelity, than an alternative that called for honesty being the best policy and having people disclose their affairs with the attendant higher rater of divorce.
Bill Clinton wrote it?
 
That claim was hilarious the first time you made it. The 15th time? Not so much.
100 percent accurate. Including both of my kids’ moms.

As for funny. You wouldn’t know funny. You’ll be forgotten in a day. You’re just unremarkable in every way. But I won’t forget you old man. The most remarkable thing that will ever happen to you is when I beat the piss out of you. So my advice to you

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100 percent accurate. Including both of my kids’ moms.

As for funny. You wouldn’t know funny. You’ll be forgotten in a day. You’re just unremarkable in every way. But I won’t forget you old man. The most remarkable thing that will ever happen to you is when I beat the piss out of you. So my advice to you

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I believe you, but why? I’ve worked for nothing but large multinationals and the implicit terror of hooking up with a coworker made me never want to even think about it. It only slipped through the cracks once when I was just out of college. Then “Me too” hit and the risk/ reward made no sense to any rational person.

Are things laxer at boutique law firms? Cause all it takes is your ex to come into work one day pissed off and you’re never employable again.
 
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