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Reality check for the anti-Beard folks…

Look it up, schools with bigger football programs make more revenue than IU, often a lot more. Somewhere like Nebraska or Wisky or PSU is around 33% more revenue. OSU/UM are well over 50% more. Even midsize places like Iowa or MSU are 10-15% higher. FB is all that really matters to athletic dept financials and therefore the FB hire was a big deal for Scott.
I know football makes more money. I’m asking if you are making facts or opinions on Dolson being evaluated on confetti panning out more so than basketball.
 
Cig was a low risk hire, if they hit on him great. If he didn’t win…well it’s Indiana football. Not much pressure on missing that hire
Disagree. Firing CTA was an expensive proposition. Money thrown at the football program was way beyond what's been done previously. That was the only thing that Allen seemed bitter about was not getting that kind of financial support. Dolson was expected to get results right away.

Now, all that said, if Cig would have coached IU to 8 wins, Dolson could breathe easy. If IU would have ended up with one of those 5-7 years, Dolson would be under the microscope.
 
The truth is somewhere in between. Every relationship that has lasted awhile has the potential to become explosive. True, you still can't beat people up. But, it also normally takes 2 to tango.
This is how most employers handle fights. If I do it on the property or off property I’m terminated. Already happened to a coworker. They don’t want the problems.
 
For the purpose of a high-level, public job such as Indiana, for example, the facts of the case and public perception are more consequential than whether CB was brought to trial. A middling D1 program like Ole Miss was willing to deal with all that to grab a coach it couldn't otherwise attract.
The thing is, and I don’t relish saying this, but in 2025, I think Indiana is in the same boat. We’re not going to otherwise attract a coach of his caliber. It just isn’t happening and lots of folks are in denial about it but I think it’s the truth.
 
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I don't either, but frankly, I'm surprised at the willingness of folks to flush concepts like "innocent until proven guilty", due process and getting a 2nd chance, which to me are all pretty core principles of American life. Agree it's not ideal, and carries extra risk, but my goodness, look at the history of the guy we have as President. Good thing he wasn't trying to be a bball coach!
Was knight guilty? Was he prosecuted or charged?
 
This is how most employers handle fights. If I do it on the property or off property I’m terminated. Already happened to a coworker. They don’t want the problems.
c'mon, you've had a co-worker terminated for getting in a fight not during working hours and off-property? Were they arrested? What sort of work/position? I've heard of people being terminated for a fight OTJ, but not off site and after hours.
 
c'mon, you've had a co-worker terminated for getting in a fight not during working hours and off-property? Were they arrested? What sort of work/position? I've heard of people being terminated for a fight OTJ, but not off site and after hours.
Yes. Started at work. They did technically fight on premises first. No punches thrown until off premises. If they hadn’t actually thrown punches off premises they wouldn’t have lost their jobs. So I see your point. Shoving match and security told them to leave. Parking lot. They also frown on losing your license too. By the way Kentucky is now taking you to jail if you are caught without or expired license. They aren’t playing. Guy was fired for that.
 
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I know football makes more money. I’m asking if you are making facts or opinions on Dolson being evaluated on confetti panning out more so than basketball.
I’m pointing out the difference in program revenue because you kept mentioning the media deal and there is more to it.

Only one sport drives the entire athletic dept’s financials — the AD is evaluated on that more than doesn’t make much difference bball.
 
Your mind is made up, so no reason.
Not all at. That's simply how I perceive the situation. As I've maintained, if it's good enough for Dolson, it's good enough for me. If it's Beard, I'll trust he's the right hire ... and be all in.
 
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As I said earlier - even if the report account is accurate , it’s a matter of if he’s changed and can show that. If there are no second chances , then a coach should be fired for a DUI ( Mark Few) due to the fact he could’ve killed someone It’s about whether a change in behavior has happened.
 
Disagree. Firing CTA was an expensive proposition. Money thrown at the football program was way beyond what's been done previously. That was the only thing that Allen seemed bitter about was not getting that kind of financial support. Dolson was expected to get results right away.

Now, all that said, if Cig would have coached IU to 8 wins, Dolson could breathe easy. If IU would have ended up with one of those 5-7 years, Dolson would be under the microscope.
Yes and no..I guarantee nobody expected this type of success. Did his schedule help him? Absolutely, I think if he won 6 games it would been looked at positively just from what IU football has been historically
 
Not all at. That's simply how I perceive the situation. As I've maintained, if it's good enough for Dolson, it's good enough for me. If it's Beard, I'll trust he's the right hire ... and be all in.
I will never ever condone putting hands on a women. So I understand the sentiment but I also understand that sometimes the details are different than the perception. I know someone whose ex-GF went nuts and came at him with a baseball bat. He blocked it and shoved her down and he went to jail. Tough situation for a guy in this type case
 
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Scott and Pam will need their justification because they will be under heavy fire for awhile. We’ll see if they go this route…
I grew up around this and the narrative around that evening being he's a violent drunk that beats women doesn't add up.

The wounds they both had, her actions while they were together and then after the call.

The hire of Chris Beard by IU and Pam should go along way to rehabilitate his name. Hopefully he chooses his next partner wisely.
 
I will never ever condone putting hands on a women. So I understand the sentiment but I also understand that sometimes the details are different than the perception. I know someone whose ex-GF went nuts and came at him with a baseball bat. He blocked it and shoved her down and he went to jail. Tough situation for a guy in this type case
that should have been self-defense, he must have hired one of the water cooler lawyers
 
I will never ever condone putting hands on a women. So I understand the sentiment but I also understand that sometimes the details are different than the perception. I know someone whose ex-GF went nuts and came at him with a baseball bat. He blocked it and shoved her down and he went to jail. Tough situation for a guy in this type case
That makes perfect sense to me; I think both of our "takes" have merit. In the end, I believe SD will make the correct call, whether it's Beard or someone else.

(Now, if a guy like Alford is hired, all bets are off ... Dolson would deserve every bit of shit coming to him.)
 
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I'm not taking Beard's side at all. But aren’t they very liberal there in Austin?
The University of Texas at Austin (UT) is generally considered to be a liberal-leaning institution, but the degree of liberalism is nuanced and varies across different aspects of the university.

Political Landscape​

UT is more liberal than many other Texas universities, but less liberal than some coastal or Ivy League schools12. According to a survey, the student body's political affiliations break down as follows:
  • 35% Democratic
  • 26% Independent
  • 21% Don't care about politics
  • 17% Republican
  • 2% Other party5

Campus Culture​

While UT has a liberal reputation, it's not as extreme as some might believe:
  • Students with conservative views are not ostracized52.
  • There's a place for everyone regardless of political beliefs5.
  • The university is described as "liberal but not lefty or progressive"7.

Comparison to Other Texas Universities​

  • UT is more liberal than Texas A&M University and Texas Tech University12.
  • It's considered a liberal outlier in a conservative state1.

Trends and Shifts​

  • Over the past decade, UT has seen a shift towards more Democratic votes, especially after 20161.
  • The UT campus area averaged a Democratic advantage of 34.3 points before 2016, increasing to 51 points after1.

Institutional Stance​

  • The UT System has recently barred universities from making official political statements, aiming for institutional neutrality5.
  • The university has launched some conservative-minded institutes, such as the Civitas Institute and the Salem Center for Policy4.

Factors Influencing Perception​

  • Austin, the city where UT is located, is known for being very liberal compared to the rest of Texas2.
  • The faculty tends to lean liberal, especially in certain departments27.
In conclusion, while UT is generally liberal-leaning, it's not as extreme as some might perceive. The university strives to maintain a diverse environment where various political viewpoints can coexist.

Citations:​

  1. https://thedailytexan.com/2024/11/04/blue-among-red-10-years-of-voting-at-texas-public-universities/
  2. https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/how-liberal-is-ut/968693
  3. https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/202...allenges-for-texas-public-university-leaders/
  4. https://www.axios.com/local/austin/2023/05/17/conservative-centers-university-of-texas
  5. https://www.texastribune.org/2024/08/23/ut-system-free-speech-policy/
  6. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-...y-Texas-universities-from-most-to-7468241.php
  7. https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/news...ople-more-culturally-liberal-researchers-find
  8. https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu/bl...simmering-election-concerns-texas-legislature
  9. https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/gove...ram-information/fields/american-politics.html
  10. https://uh.edu/hobby/tx2025/
  11. https://www.niche.com/colleges/university-of-texas-austin/students/
  12. https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/2025-spotlight-university-texas-austin
  13. https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-university-of-texas-austin-tx/
  14. https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu
  15. https://www.goacta.org/resource/fre...-diversity-at-the-university-of-texas-austin/
  16. https://thedailytexan.com/2025/01/2...ate-effects-of-trumps-environmental-policies/
  17. https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2024-11-22/the-right-wingification-of-ut/
  18. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...project-2025-conservative-agenda-19610016.php


Answer from Perplexity: pplx.ai/share
 
No she wouldn’t have. Going from James Madison to Iu, where nobody has won, wasn’t going to be the deal breaker on Dolson.
A 6-6 record this past season would have produced a "let's see where this goes next season" approach. Pam has an altogether different approach to athletics. McRobbie saw them as a necessary distraction (his actual words). Pam sees athletics as "the front door of the university" (her actual words as well) and that the provide "curb appeal" for the institution.

The money they spent to.get rid of CTA, and the ends they went to in regards to funding football says it not the same old anymore. Dolson needed to get it right. He wouldn't be around to hire the next football coach.
 
The University of Texas at Austin (UT) is generally considered to be a liberal-leaning institution, but the degree of liberalism is nuanced and varies across different aspects of the university.

Political Landscape​

UT is more liberal than many other Texas universities, but less liberal than some coastal or Ivy League schools12. According to a survey, the student body's political affiliations break down as follows:
  • 35% Democratic
  • 26% Independent
  • 21% Don't care about politics
  • 17% Republican
  • 2% Other party5

Campus Culture​

While UT has a liberal reputation, it's not as extreme as some might believe:
  • Students with conservative views are not ostracized52.
  • There's a place for everyone regardless of political beliefs5.
  • The university is described as "liberal but not lefty or progressive"7.

Comparison to Other Texas Universities​

  • UT is more liberal than Texas A&M University and Texas Tech University12.
  • It's considered a liberal outlier in a conservative state1.

Trends and Shifts​

  • Over the past decade, UT has seen a shift towards more Democratic votes, especially after 20161.
  • The UT campus area averaged a Democratic advantage of 34.3 points before 2016, increasing to 51 points after1.

Institutional Stance​

  • The UT System has recently barred universities from making official political statements, aiming for institutional neutrality5.
  • The university has launched some conservative-minded institutes, such as the Civitas Institute and the Salem Center for Policy4.

Factors Influencing Perception​

  • Austin, the city where UT is located, is known for being very liberal compared to the rest of Texas2.
  • The faculty tends to lean liberal, especially in certain departments27.
In conclusion, while UT is generally liberal-leaning, it's not as extreme as some might perceive. The university strives to maintain a diverse environment where various political viewpoints can coexist.

Citations:​

  1. https://thedailytexan.com/2024/11/04/blue-among-red-10-years-of-voting-at-texas-public-universities/
  2. https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/how-liberal-is-ut/968693
  3. https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/202...allenges-for-texas-public-university-leaders/
  4. https://www.axios.com/local/austin/2023/05/17/conservative-centers-university-of-texas
  5. https://www.texastribune.org/2024/08/23/ut-system-free-speech-policy/
  6. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-...y-Texas-universities-from-most-to-7468241.php
  7. https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/news...ople-more-culturally-liberal-researchers-find
  8. https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu/bl...simmering-election-concerns-texas-legislature
  9. https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/gove...ram-information/fields/american-politics.html
  10. https://uh.edu/hobby/tx2025/
  11. https://www.niche.com/colleges/university-of-texas-austin/students/
  12. https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/2025-spotlight-university-texas-austin
  13. https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-university-of-texas-austin-tx/
  14. https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu
  15. https://www.goacta.org/resource/fre...-diversity-at-the-university-of-texas-austin/
  16. https://thedailytexan.com/2025/01/2...ate-effects-of-trumps-environmental-policies/
  17. https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2024-11-22/the-right-wingification-of-ut/
  18. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...project-2025-conservative-agenda-19610016.php


Answer from Perplexity: pplx.ai/share

Damn! That's a lot of research. You're really into this aren't you?
 
The truth is somewhere in between. Every relationship that has lasted awhile has the potential to become explosive. True, you still can't beat people up. But, it also normally takes 2 to tango.
I don’t know enough to really have a set opinion, but I’d imagine he would never do it again. Unless he’s just a total ego maniac that thinks he’s above everything, which very well could be the case!!
 
She's a 6' ish former volleyball player who said she'd not disagree with Beard's description that it was self-defense. Have you ever seen a woman come totally unglued and attack someone? She's very likely going to get visible injuries. Tell me exactly how you are certain her injuries were from spousal abuse and not an altercation from self-defense? And, why you are a better judge of what happened, than I don't know, let's say the 2 people who were actually involved? It's unseemly for sure, but as I've said dozens of times: hire an investigator and see if all these other cases of abuse and drunken behavior exist. If they do: move on. If they don't and it's down to this 1 case, then you sit down and talk with him and see if he can convince you that he's remorseful and has made changes that reflect it (stopped drinking, AA and seeing the woman for instance). Again, if you're not convinced, move on and if you are, then consider him further as a candidate.
One issue I would like explored is has Beard had any other drunken instances before? This would point to this being a problem with his character instead of a one time incident.
 
A 6-6 record this past season would have produced a "let's see where this goes next season" approach. Pam has an altogether different approach to athletics. McRobbie saw them as a necessary distraction (his actual words). Pam sees athletics as "the front door of the university" (her actual words as well) and that the provide "curb appeal" for the institution.

The money they spent to.get rid of CTA, and the ends they went to in regards to funding football says it not the same old anymore. Dolson needed to get it right. He wouldn't be around to hire the next football coach.
They need to build a new stadium for football if they want to be a football power.
 
I don’t know enough to really have a set opinion, but I’d imagine he would never do it again. Unless he’s just a total ego maniac that thinks he’s above everything, which very well could be the case!!
Or if he's drunk enough that all reasoning escapes him.
 
So you're taking that night out of the equation, even though it's the very night that the prestigious University of Texas did their own investigation into, even after charges were dropped , and decided Beard was no longer fit to be their head basketball coach?

I mean...that's beyond stupid to 'just leave it out of the equation'.
I said I am, not that Dolson should. But, UT was making a decision "in the heat of the moment" only about a month after the event, and IU also has almost 2 years without any further incidents, so they can factor that in too. I don't know how far IU should or could go down the road of investigating the details of that night, but agree it could/should be considered but weighed on how much information you can get, which I would guess will be little. So, that takes me back to 1) is this habitual/recurring behavior or not; and 2) did he recognize the severity and has he made any changes to insure it never happens again?
 
First, the "no charges were filed" argument is factually incorrect--charges were indeed filed but later dropped. Second, a DA isn't likely to move forward in such a circumstance without the victim's cooperation. Had she been a cooperating witness, there's a high probability it would have gone to trial or been plea-bargained.

For the purpose of a high-level, public job such as Indiana, for example, the facts of the case and public perception are more consequential than whether CB was brought to trial. A middling D1 program like Ole Miss was willing to deal with all that to grab a coach it couldn't otherwise attract; he was available to them for a reason. If a higher profile school were willing to take the risk, he would never had ended up in Oxford. Moreover, whether the incident occurred when he was coaching or not is immaterial; it goes to character.

Let's assume, for a moment, that Beard is a viable option and Dolson & Co. are currently vetting him. I'm sure they're considering the aforementioned details and much more; they have access to loads more information than we do. And I'm sure they're also factoring in that this occurred two years ago and (presumably) nothing of that nature has repeated itself.

Since, again, Dolson and crew have more information than we do, I'm sure they're looking into everything. If they decide Beard--the person and coach--is the best hire, then let's rock n' roll.

But, imo, logic dictates it won't be CB. For one, the Sampson debacle, while circumstantially different, is nonetheless similar; IU hired a person with known "baggage" and it Titan submersible'd the program. Furthermore, there are other good candidates without such a history ... and Beard, will undeniably a good coach, isn't Bob Knight 2.0. So, then, why would IU open up itself to scrutiny when there are other good coaching options out there?

I'm looking at this from Dolson's and IU's perspective, not that of a fan desperate for wins above everything else. Perception matters. Optics matter. I'm sure they're weighing the risk/reward of hiring CB. And, if there have been no other similar instances, they likely don't forsee it happening again. If it did, however, it would be an awful look, especially with the Sampson hire still in IU's (somewhat) recent history and collective consciousness. Furthermore, if it happed again, those involved in the hire would suffer major professional consequences.

If you'd like to offer a counteratgument, I'll be more than happy to listen and keep an open mind.


Concerning your first paragraph.........I don't believe you are correct when you say "Charges were filed".

It appears to me that what they call an "arrest affidavit" was completed, which apparently is required after the fact when there is no prior arrest warrant.

Sometimes you hear about people being "preliminarily charged" with this or that. Basically it just means they were arrested with what the officer thought was probable cause and booked on "suspicion" of the stated charges.

There was never a finding of probable cause by a magistrate or judge. There was never what we would term an "initial hearing" here wherein Beard was asked to enter a plea. Most importantly, there was never an Information filed by the Prosecutor or an Indictment filed by a Grand Jury, one of which is always required when felony charges are filed. Prosecutors file charges, police do not.

Beard did post a bond. I believe any "filings" by the Prosecutor to the effect that "charges were dismissed" amount to a statement from the Prosecutor that they did not intend to pursue charges, and that Beard's bond could be released.

If you can file a formal file-marked document styled as an Information or Indictment, which certainly would have been a public record, let me know and I'll say otherwise.
 
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Concerning your first paragraph.........I don't believe you are correct when you say "Charges were filed".

It appears to me that what they call an "arrest affidavit" was completed, which apparently is required after the fact when there is no prior arrest warrant.

Sometimes you hear about people being "preliminarily charged" with this or that. Basically it just means they were arrested with what the officer thought was probable cause and booked on "suspicion" of the stated charges.

There was never a finding of probable cause by a magistrate or judge. There was never what we would term an "initial hearing" here wherein Beard was asked to enter a plea. Most importantly, there was never an Information filed by the Prosecutor or an Indictment filed by a Grand Jury, one of which is always required when felony charges are filed. Prosecutors file charges, police do not.

Beard did post a bond. I believe any "filings" by the Prosecutor to the effect that "charges were dismissed" amount to a statement from the Prosecutor that they did not intend to pursue charges, and that Beard's bond could be released.

If you can file a formal file-marked document styled as an Information or Indictment, which certainly would have been a public record, let me know and I'll say otherwise.
If I stated an incorrect "fact," my apologies.

Thank you for the clarification.
 
FWIW.....,the BTbanners group are now latching on to a Scott Drew rumor out there. Trilly may be behind it.

Every day the wind changes directions.

Come May, we may not have any players left on the roster, but sounds like we've signed 8 different head coaches.
 
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They need to build a new stadium for football if they want to be a football power.
Maybe. I think the bones are good enough for some upgrades. Bringing the seating level on the east side to the same height as the west would probably make it a 70k kind of capacity. I know there's things in the works.

As someone who frequents both venues regularly, I'd actually rather they replace Assembly Hall first.
 
FWIW.....,the BTbanners group are now latching on to a Scott Drew rumor out there. Trilly may be behind it.

Every day the wind changes directions.

Come May, we may not have any players left on the roster, but sounds like we've signed 8 different head coaches.
So far this forum has Kurt’s prediction. Aside from that, it’s just the usual unmoderated chaos.
 
FWIW.....,the BTbanners group are now latching on to a Scott Drew rumor out there. Trilly may be behind it.

Every day the wind changes directions.

Come May, we may not have any players left on the roster, but sounds like we've signed 8 different head coaches.
Trilly was behind the Stevens rumors earlier. I imagine if he gets behind everyone at some point over the next month he can claim he was right.
 
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