QB Competition

[Baller23Boogie]

The QBs had bad coaching under Sheridan and poor blocking by OL.

They may have had poor coaching, but Tuttle had some throws last year that just left people shaking their heads.

His pick 6 against MSU where the MSU defender jumped the play is case in point. Everyone knew where he was going and he had one on one on the other side, yet never even looked that way, instead stared down where he was throwing the whole time. Tuttle has been in college since 2019. That's something he should have learned well before last year.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

All aboard the Bazelak Train!!

Get on board before it gets crowded.

 

[Hoosiers47614]

I feel like Tuttle is, frankly, a low floor-low ceiling QB. He doesn't have anything approaching, or at least has not shown to this point, the natural arm talent Penix had, and neither does he have the mobility or mindset that Ramsey did to make up for lacking those natural gifts. And his decision-making when he has gotten meaningful playing time has often been suspect, to say the least. I'm willing to see how it goes if he does win the job, but that being the decision would make me rather wary.

 

[IndyIUFan66]

Tuttle has one thing people do seem to acknowledge- good leadership skills. (See that importance with Colts having Matt Ryan vs Carson Wentz.)

I don’t think Tuttle has any arm strength issues, he seems to be able to go deep.

His MSU game was awful. Had he played better we probably win. But his game at Wiscy, even if he was more of a game manager, was excellent and would have seemed even better had the wide open long TD pass not been badly dropped.

I tend to agree Connor B is likely starter. But not having Penix around, or Sheridan coaching, means a true fresh start for the QB room.

I trust Bell to evaluate fairly and the film of practices to show who the hopefully clear top player is. But someone who is a good leader, hard worker and who has not transferred out but stuck around to compete also has the potential to be improving too. My sole belief is Tuttle has more upside than MSU game alone showed. And with better coaching he may thrive more than he has with the limited time he got when he theoretically could/should have played more in the past.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

we haven't seen CB at all, and not a lot of a healthy Tuttle.

i'm open to either making me a believer.

that said, after re-watching games from last yr, i still think DM could be a stud QB some day, and if we're talking highest ceiling, it's DM.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

Tuttle has one thing people do seem to acknowledge- good leadership skills. (See that importance with Colts having Matt Ryan vs Carson Wentz.)

I don’t think Tuttle has any arm strength issues, he seems to be able to go deep.

His MSU game was awful. Had he played better we probably win. But his game at Wiscy, even if he was more of a game manager, was excellent and would have seemed even better had the wide open long TD pass not been badly dropped.

I tend to agree Connor B is likely starter. But not having Penix around, or Sheridan coaching, means a true fresh start for the QB room.

I trust Bell to evaluate fairly and the film of practices to show who the hopefully clear top player is. But someone who is a good leader, hard worker and who has not transferred out but stuck around to compete also has the potential to be improving too. My sole belief is Tuttle has more upside than MSU game alone showed. And with better coaching he may thrive more than he has with the limited time he got when he theoretically could/should have played more in the past.

My thoughts precisely.

 

[Jackskip23]

Tuttle has one thing people do seem to acknowledge- good leadership skills. (See that importance with Colts having Matt Ryan vs Carson Wentz.)

I don’t think Tuttle has any arm strength issues, he seems to be able to go deep.

His MSU game was awful. Had he played better we probably win. But his game at Wiscy, even if he was more of a game manager, was excellent and would have seemed even better had the wide open long TD pass not been badly dropped.

I tend to agree Connor B is likely starter. But not having Penix around, or Sheridan coaching, means a true fresh start for the QB room.

I trust Bell to evaluate fairly and the film of practices to show who the hopefully clear top player is. But someone who is a good leader, hard worker and who has not transferred out but stuck around to compete also has the potential to be improving too. My sole belief is Tuttle has more upside than MSU game alone showed. And with better coaching he may thrive more than he has with the limited time he got when he theoretically could/should have played more in the past.

The arm strength concerns aren’t really about going down the field as much as throwing from the boundary hash to the field sideline. It’s a long throw that requires both velocity and touch. That’s always been the issue with JT.

 

[daddyhoosier]

Tuttle has one thing people do seem to acknowledge- good leadership skills. (See that importance with Colts having Matt Ryan vs Carson Wentz.)

I don’t think Tuttle has any arm strength issues, he seems to be able to go deep.

His MSU game was awful. Had he played better we probably win. But his game at Wiscy, even if he was more of a game manager, was excellent and would have seemed even better had the wide open long TD pass not been badly dropped.

I tend to agree Connor B is likely starter. But not having Penix around, or Sheridan coaching, means a true fresh start for the QB room.

I trust Bell to evaluate fairly and the film of practices to show who the hopefully clear top player is. But someone who is a good leader, hard worker and who has not transferred out but stuck around to compete also has the potential to be improving too. My sole belief is Tuttle has more upside than MSU game alone showed. And with better coaching he may thrive more than he has with the limited time he got when he theoretically could/should have played more in the past.

Well said

 

[HoosierNative]

When I hear Coach Allen respond to questions about the quarterback competition over the past few weeks, Jack Tuttle appears to be leading the competition.

May be misreading tea leaves, but that’s my impression/hunch. I like Jack Tuttle as a human being—no aspersions to Bazalek intended—so that may be coloring my opinion.

Whoever starts I’ll be pulling for him and the Hoosiers!

 

[RBB89]

Often reminded of the Ramsey-Penix controversy and how most people wanted Penix to take over. We all know how that turned out with Ramsey's success at NW.

You talking about the year where we were ranked 7th in the country?

 

[Hoosiers47614]

Could Dexter Williams maybe sneak into the mix late? It sounds like Walt Bell had quite a lot of praise for him today.

 

[Stlgator2223]

There are some differences between the 2 QBs. Bazalek. 5042 yards passing 23 TDS and Tuttle 840 yards 3 TDS .Like Tuttle a lot but this seems pretty simple.

 

[Stlgator2223]

Bazelak 5084 passing yards 23 TDS Tuttle 842 passing yards 4 TDs seems simple

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

When I hear Coach Allen respond to questions about the quarterback competition over the past few weeks, Jack Tuttle appears to be leading the competition.

May be misreading tea leaves, but that’s my impression/hunch. I like Jack Tuttle as a human being—no aspersions to Bazalek intended—so that may be coloring my opinion.

Whoever starts I’ll be pulling for him and the Hoosiers!

That's what I think too.

 

[secondasky]

You talking about the year where we were ranked 7th in the country?

NW finished 10th IU 16 in ESPN poll

 

[vesuvius13]

Bazelak 5084 passing yards 23 TDS Tuttle 842 passing yards 4 TDs seems simple

Bazelak also had a lot of INTs. I will support whoever wins the job no matter which three wins the job.

 

[ESalum86]

Tuttle seems like a great kid that’s liked by both team mates and coaches.
But if CB cannot beat him out I fear we are in for another 2 or 3 win season.

These were the same words the vast majority of this board spoke about Peyton Ramsey prior to 2019. The prevailing sentiment was if Ramsey started we were doomed to mediocrity.

We now know the history: Penix was the starter, for good reason. When Penix went down there was a sense of "Here we go again." Insert Ramsey, and lo and behold, he had improved and was just fine.

Now many people on this board speak of Ramsey as a QB deity. Seems as if the emotions of IU football fans swing wider than any pendulum. I believe we will have a decent QB regardless who runs out on the field against U of I.

 

[DANC]

I've been sitting here thinking about this. Bazelak has 722 career passing attempts, Tuttle has 170. Even if Tuttle makes a big jump that in-game experience is invaluable. Plus Baz has two years of eligibility remaining and Tuttle has one.
From what I can gather they both have good arms but not elite arms. (Better that Ramsey but not Penix.) I'm not sure the diffence is enough to separate the two one way or the other. Neither QB is going to beat you with their feet but Tuttle seems to have a slight edge in this category but again probably not enought to move the needle much.
Sooo what I'm saying is that Tuttle has to win somewhat decisively or it's likely going to be Baz. I wasn't ever predicting Tuttle would win but I've changed my mind...the odds do indeed seem in Baz's favor. Haha I'm late to the party I guess.
<---- thanks for putting up with this guy

I think, as far as arm strength goes, Tuttle's is up there with Penix.

What Penix has - had - going for him was quick decision-making. If he saw someone open for a second, the ball was there. His quick release was impressive.

Seems like Jack has to warm up to throw the long ball and the ball seems to float more. He can make the plays - he just doesn't make them as quickly.

Neither one is effective, running for their lives. Baz won't be either, if that's the case. I hope Bell's game plan doesn't include the QB scanning the field very long.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I think, as far as arm strength goes, Tuttle's is up there with Penix.

What Penix has - had - going for him was quick decision-making. If he saw someone open for a second, the ball was there. His quick release was impressive.

Seems like Jack has to warm up to throw the long ball and the ball seems to float more. He can make the plays - he just doesn't make them as quickly.

Neither one is effective, running for their lives. Baz won't be either, if that's the case. I hope Bell's game plan doesn't include the QB scanning the field very long.

The schemes will have to be based on quick throws and establishing the run game. The up tempo pace seems to supprt that. Execution is what we will wait to see.

 

[DANC]

The schemes will have to be based on quick throws and establishing the run game. The up tempo pace seems to supprt that. Execution is what we will wait to see.

Yes, I think tempo play will be important. Snap the ball and get rid of it.

When teams start to play up to stop that, then think about going long. But getting in a rhythm is important, imo.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Yes, I think tempo play will be important. Snap the ball and get rid of it.

When teams start to play up to stop that, then think about going long. But getting in a rhythm is important, imo.

Agree.

The run game is a must. Lots of pressure to get Shivers up and...running.