Purdue vs Maryland
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If I live another 100 years, this will still be funny.
This Purdue team is just fun to watch. You can tell they've been through hell and are playing for each other.
It is a head scratcher...they return a lot of pieces from recent solid teams. I had them pegged as a potential upper half team with Young, Scott, and Reese all returning.
Maybe IU missing on Harris-Smith and Kaiser wasn't a bad thing. And obviously they're seeing a lot of the same issues we did with Geronimo.
Its early, maybe they'll get it turned around. Right now they're pretty bad though.
I've only seen bits and pieces of games, but it looks like they can't shoot the 3 either and lack any kind of efficiency on 2s.
Yeah, those are the tangible reasons they're losing right now...just surprising that its happening. Scott and Reese should be better inside. And Young was picked by many as 1st team All B10 coming in to the year.
Cautionary tale possibly on being thin behind a core top 2-3. Used to be you could win with 3 guys like they have. Nowadays, you need to build versatile wing/perimeter depth.
So they have a good amount of Indiana kids who stick around. They are not rent a players for a year or two. I agree. It almost saddens me. Didn't IU used to be this way?
Reese has been a non factor in every stretch of the games I've watched, which is crazy to me. I've seen Young look like you'd expect him to look, but there isn't anyone else that seemed to be doing anything, including Geronimo. Your Kaiser and Harris-Smith observation is spot on. They've looked horrible and there's nobody coming off the bench to save a game.
Edit - Just looked at them on Torvik's site. Yikes. Looks worse than we do.
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I'll say it again and again: they do have IN kids on their roster who are good role players, and I think Painter is a really good coach, but I think that team collapses in terms of a top 20 team without the big Canuck. I could get 6-7 apg tossing it to him. Braden Smith is very good, but his mentions of all conference player evaporate without Edey imo. I don't wish bad fortune on anyone, but I'd not mind if he had to sit out a game or 2 with the flu or covid just to see. ZE is the only difference maker I see on that team.
The IL game will be a good one, but once again, the PU golden horseshoe appears and they get them minus Shannon. Apparently they did look really good last night vs NW though. The Illini impressed me when I saw them vs Mizzou.
Its going to be interesting to see what Purdue ends up looking like after Edey moves on. I think its very possible he's back next year even though. If they end up flaming out early again this year, I STRONGLY consider changing how I use Edey if I'm Painter though, if he comes back with most everyone else. Even if that means much worse stats for Edey, and them taking some losses during the regular season.
Edey? No chance.
They signed 6 skids back in November. Edey, Gillis, Morton are all gone + Jones is out of eligibility. And they still have to find a player to Crean to get to the magic number.
Many programs used to be that way, but not any more. Unless something substantial changes about the transfer portal and NIL it's going to be rent-a-player for the big programs that can afford it.
Wouldn't be so sure. If Edey wants to come back, they'll figure it out for him. And money wise, Purdue/College probably offer him the highest potential earnings next year. Gillis and Morton, sure.
Edey may be the mismatch but they are a really good team. Shooters, ball handlers, length. Experience off the bench.
Maryland makes Archie's offense look like the Harlem Globetrotters.
If there was even a 1% chance of Edey coming back there's no way Painter signs 6 players. They have one open scholarship next year + Jones is out of eligibility. They need 4 guys (all with remaining eligibility) to leave in order to accommodate the 6 incoming freshman.
The gravity Edey creates gives all those guys you mention an abnormal amount of room, and time, to make decisions and shots. Might be they'll be fine without him, but if I'm Smith and Loyer, I'm probably hoping for Edey to use his Covid year too next year.
We'll see. You could be right, obviously. But the second Edey comes in to Painters office and even entertains the notion of coming back again...everything you mention above is out the window. And it very well might be that even Edey doesn't know, right now, what he's doing.
Sweet 16 run this year (no title)...NBA combine evals that leaves Edey uncertain or knowing he won't be drafted...NIL packages available worth 7 figures...
Two seasons ago when Edey exploded, I doubt anyone thought he'd still be playing for Purdue, 2 seasons later. No matter what's been discussed amongst them all the % of Edey coming back is a lot higher than 1%...obviously. As there are a ton of variables at play that have yet to be determined.
Meh. It's not exactly a stretch to say that removing the best player from every top ten team would probably knock them down twenty ranking spots.
Take away Houston's Cryer (17 ppg) and they are 9-4, not 13-0.
Take away Newton from Uconn with his 15 ppg and 7 rbs and they are likely 8-6, not 12-2.
Take away McCullar from Kansas with his 20ppg and Kansas would likely have 7 losses instead of 1.
Chemistry is a big part of team success. Sure, dropping Edey now would be a huge blow, and absolutely Smith's numbers would drop, but after Edey leaves in April, Smith will have 7 months to build chemistry with the next 7 footer that Painter pulls out of whatever mad-science cloning tank he uses. I suspect the drop-off is not going to be as far as many here think. Likely not top 10, but probably top 25.
The exception to that rule appears to be Shannon from Illinois. It is only a sample size of 2, but they appear to be playing better without him.
I'm fairly certain that conversation took place before the season started with several players and a reason why Painter signed 6 incoming freshman. Painter hasn't ever been the type of coach to go with the flow and figure it out later. Most recent Draft Express Mock has Edey going #15 overall. He's going to get drafted by somebody.
They miss more open shots than any team I can remember. They do most things pretty decent.
Don’t let the 87 team hear you. Only one Indiana kid on that team and two were brought in to win for two seasons.
Definitely too early to make this call...but Shannon was VERY ball dominant, AND they have a handful of other very capable perimeter players. In those situations, its not uncommon for it to seem like addition by subtraction.
Reminds me of the OSU team the year after Evan Turner left. NBA lottery guy, one of the all time greats at OSU, the team the next year was a fair bit better without him.
Before anyone makes the Xavier Johnson comparison...the problem with that is we don't have many other guys capable of making plays and shots. Mack and Malik mainly, sometimes Trey. But we need X's defense and his playmaking more than we get hurt by his ball dominance.
Where missing Shannon will end up showing up is his elite ability to get his own shot, AND his elite defensive abilities. When they get in to closer games against good teams, Shannon could have been the difference on both ends. At some point, in a lot of close games, you need a dude to just go make plays.
Could be. Obviously a first round likelihood and he's gone. Just saying there are a lot of variables yet to play out.
And you have no clue what conversations took place. And even if they did, things can, and often do, change.
Of course I wasn’t in the room, but optics say you aren’t oversigning by 4 players unless you have a strong indication of who is leaving. Painter has never been the type of coach to bring a kid into his office after the season and say, “about your scholarship”. That just isn’t the type of coach he is nor the reputation he wants.
Isn’t that what kind of makes Painter impressive though? First it was, well, PJ, Vince, Dakota and Haas are gone, then it was Carsen will be gone, the Ivey will be gone, now it’s Edey will be gone. Painter does a good job of building and adapting imo.
I do agree with you though in that Purdue will look totally different next year. My guess is with PJ running the offense now, they will look to run and gun a lot more. He’s already sped the offense up this year some.
Oliphant and smith were barely visible. 1.5 points and 2.5 points in garbage minutes. More Indiana kids on this roster.
It’s been confirmed no Covid years will be used and Edey is likely pro. It’s why Painter signed like he did. Not sure Edey is even considering coming back, but if he did, no idea how Purdue would make space. I’m guessing a couple would leave if he did tbh. For playing time
I know, I was just pointing those two out since one of them is relation to me
Eh, not like it was a huge change. That team had more kids from outside our core recruiting base, but still had a bunch of midwestern area kids from OH, IN and IL. Different, but not a huge difference. if you include those states, not that different than 75-76 team.
No one is talking about future years (at least not until you thin-skinned Boilers chimed in), I was responding to Van Pastorman's post about the composition of your roster this year. Yes, given a year and another class, Painter will craft a good team, but I don't think it will be close to this year. Top 25 seems reasonable. Laughable the names you mention, save for Carsen Edwards in comparison to Edey. No one thought any of the other guys had anything resembling the impact that ZE does. They didn't have that impact combined.
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They may not win it all.
But Purdue would be a solid bet for the final four this yr..
They'll not play but two decent teams to get there..
College basketball doesn't impress me this year at all..
But Purdue would be a solid bet for the final four this yr..
They'll not play but two decent teams to get there..
College basketball doesn't impress me this year at all..
Think skinned. lol for participating in the conversation. Don’t flatter yourself. My point was inline with your comments of Purdue without Edey.
I also said nothing about the other guys being any more or less impactful. That was all you.
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