Purdue football is the Titanic

[YOTHN]

Nothing would get me more excited than a MAC coach that won 8 games and is so good no one will hire him… I wanted Odom over Candle.

Its not about just one season, plus 8 wins is one of Odums top 3 seasons! lol

Its about hiring a coach who has a history of winning. Jason Candle has coached 10 years and in those 10 years he has made a bowl game every year but one (plus the COVID shortened season where he finished 2nd in the MAC). He has won the MAC 4 times and had 8 or more wins in half of his seasons he's been there and never been below .500. Not to mention he's had two 11-win seasons. The track record, especially for that length of time, is quite telling.

 

[td75]

Its not about just one season, plus 8 wins is one of Odums top 3 seasons! lol

Its about hiring a coach who has a history of winning. Jason Candle has coached 10 years and in those 10 years he has made a bowl game every year but one (plus the COVID shortened season where he finished 2nd in the MAC). He has won the MAC 4 times and had 8 or more wins in half of his seasons he's been there and never been below .500. Not to mention he's had two 11-win seasons. The track record, especially for that length of time, is quite telling.

I thought Candle was the guy Indiana should have hired last year...Glad I was wrong!!

 

[BoilerN]

Its not about just one season, plus 8 wins is one of Odums top 3 seasons! lol

Its about hiring a coach who has a history of winning. Jason Candle has coached 10 years and in those 10 years he has made a bowl game every year but one (plus the COVID shortened season where he finished 2nd in the MAC). He has won the MAC 4 times and had 8 or more wins in half of his seasons he's been there and never been below .500. Not to mention he's had two 11-win seasons. The track record, especially for that length of time, is quite telling.

Once he got through Matt Campbells roster (I learned above that’s how it works) he has had 3 good seasons in the MAC, otherwise is a .500 coach. Odom did just as well as him in his past two years. I wouldn’t have been upset with a Candle hire, but idk if I’d have loved it. Like the Odom hire more. If Candle is so desirable, why is he still at Toledo is my biggest question.

 

[IUNorth]

I don't really care...

But if Purdue sucking is something anyone cares about... The only caution I'd give writing their obituary is we're less than 1 year removed from being in a very similar situation. Odom probably isn't Cignetti. He's proven he's a decent coach, but I'm not sure he's proven it as much as Cignetti had.

But IU turned over roughly that many players last year. And many of us were questioning the amount of JMU dudes he was bringing in. Is Odom bringing UNLV guys? Might be an important distinction, if not. But if he is bringing even a few key UNLV guys in, that can have a big impact...as we've seen.

I kinda doubt Odom can, or will, replicate what Cig has and will continue to do at IU. But again...think about where "we" were less than 1 year ago.

 

[BoilerN]

I don't really care...

But if Purdue sucking is something anyone cares about... The only caution I'd give writing their obituary is we're less than 1 year removed from being in a very similar situation. Odom probably isn't Cignetti. He's proven he's a decent coach, but I'm not sure he's proven it as much as Cignetti had.

But IU turned over roughly that many players last year. And many of us were questioning the amount of JMU dudes he was bringing in. Is Odom bringing UNLV guys? Might be an important distinction, if not. But if he is bringing even a few key UNLV guys in, that can have a big impact...as we've seen.

I kinda doubt Odom can, or will, replicate what Cig has and will continue to do at IU. But again...think about where "we" were less than 1 year ago.

He is bringing some in yes, plus some transfers from schools where he hired coaches from. He won’t repeat what cig did though mostly because of the schedule. Purdue still has a fairly tough schedule next year.

IMO, he needs to build for 2026 schedule, which it honestly seems like he might be doing, while trying to win next year. It’s hard to compare this to cig. Not sure where that comparison ever came from. It’s not the norm.

 

[YOTHN]

If Candle is so desirable, why is he still at Toledo is my biggest question.

The same thing could've been said about Cignetti. People are always looking for retreads, a young assistant or a coach who just had a great season this past year, but then overlook the guys who have consistently proven they win.

 

[BoilerN]

The same thing could've been said about Cignetti. People are always looking for retreads, a young assistant or a coach who just had a great season this past year, but then overlook the guys who have consistently proven they win.

FWIW, after Odom, I wanted Brent Vigan. Odom had more than one good year, knows how to churn a roster in the present day, has averaged 7.3 wins a year, and has P5 experience. If he can come in and make the floor 6-6 and the ceiling 8-4, I would take that at this exact moment. Once you establish the 6-6 floor though, the ceiling can start to rise on a program at the same time. Get the right schedule, then win 10.

 

[Mark Milton]

He is bringing some in yes, plus some transfers from schools where he hired coaches from. He won’t repeat what cig did though mostly because of the schedule. Purdue still has a fairly tough schedule next year.

Let's be honest, he won't repeat what Cig did because he couldn't hold Cig's jock. Comparing the two is like comparing ice cream to horse manure.

 

[YOTHN]

FWIW, after Odom, I wanted Brent Vigan. Odom had more than one good year, knows how to churn a roster in the present day, has averaged 7.3 wins a year, and has P5 experience. If he can come in and make the floor 6-6 and the ceiling 8-4, I would take that at this exact moment. Once you establish the 6-6 floor though, the ceiling can start to rise on a program at the same time. Get the right schedule, then win 10.

Wait, are you trying to say Odom was your TOP choice? I don't believe that for one second.

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

When Brohmbardi went back to Louisville, they seemed to go into shock, even though his leaving was fait accompli at some point.

Brohm got the hell out after they got rid of the BT West JV division. He already had a foot out the door, and not being able to continue to avoid the big boys was the final push back to Louisville.

We'll see how PU does trying to copy Cig.

 

[BoilerN]

Wait, are you trying to say Odom was your TOP choice? I don't believe that for one second.

Not top choice no. But in my top realistic choice group, yes. Obviously Matt Campbell and Chris Kleiman were coming, but you have to make them say no. From there I wanted Sumrall, but why would he leave. Then it became a group of names.

 

[BoilerN]

Brohm got the hell out after they got rid of the BT West JV division. He already had a foot out the door, and not being able to continue to avoid the big boys was the final push back to Louisville.

We'll see how PU does trying to copy Cig.

Brohm beat osu and msu (when ranked #2) and had PSU beat until he refused to run the ball. Really struggled with them.

You keep saying Purdue is trying to copy what cig. There is zero evidence.

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

Brohm beat osu and msu (when ranked #2) and had PSU beat until he refused to run the ball. Really struggled with them.

You keep saying Purdue is trying to copy what cig. There is zero evidence.

I'm sure you are right that not having to play in the same division as OSU, UM, Penn St., and MSU was no advantage. Brohm never beat UM or PSU.

Why did PU fire Walters? Because Cig has left PU in the dust (66-0), and PU thinks they could have a similar quick turnaround by hiring a "similar" type of coach that can bring some of his old team. I think you forgot the NIL and portal part, a winning resume, and bringing the entire staff (no Marion), though.

 

[BoilerN]

I'm sure you are right that not having to play in the same division as OSU, UM, Penn St., and MSU was no advantage. Brohm never beat UM or PSU.

Why did PU fire Walters? Because Cig has left PU in the dust (66-0), and PU thinks they could have a similar quick turnaround by hiring a "similar" type of coach that can bring some of his old team. I think you forgot the NIL and portal part, a winning resume, and bringing the entire staff (no Marion), though.

I literally said Purdue didn’t beat um or PSU. Thanks for repeating me.

Why did Purdue fire Walter’s. I’m guessing 1-11 is a good reason. The iu game was not the decision maker. Idk what I forgot about NIL, but ok. He’s hitting the portal, Brohm some of his team and players his coaches are coaching. Marion almost got fired mid year for making NIL promises behind his back. Does Odom not have a winning resume? Please clarify.

 

[IndyResident16]

Pretty sure they have kept 8 from their portal class, not 4.

Odd you would say they only kept Ball at OL. Was thinking they kept most of their second string. They have lost a lot of really good players though.

I have no idea how you can make a prediction right now without seeing the team and what it looks like on the field. One thing that makes me feel better is that even though they are bringing in young guys with minimal experience, they are all guys that have connections to the coaching staff, so they should know the player very well. I like the QB from Arkansas coming in.

Are you not alarmed that some of UNLV’s best players aren’t following Odom to West Lafayette and instead joining peer programs such as Rutgers, Missouri, and Virginia? I thought you said Purdue’s NIL was respectable going forward? BO is doing the same thing Walters failed doing; signing journeyman formerly top rated high school recruits who haven’t produced.

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

I literally said Purdue didn’t beat um or PSU. Thanks for repeating me.

Why did Purdue fire Walter’s. I’m guessing 1-11 is a good reason. The iu game was not the decision maker. Idk what I forgot about NIL, but ok. He’s hitting the portal, Brohm some of his team and players his coaches are coaching. Marion almost got fired mid year for making NIL promises behind his back. Does Odom not have a winning resume? Please clarify.

True, PU lost to roughly everybody. I'm guessing losing to ND and IU a combined 133-7 stuck in PU's craw and played a big part in pulling the plug after only the 2nd year. Odom got shit canned by Mizzou, and the guys before and after at Mizzou performed way better. The cat's already out of the bag regarding how Odom does at the big boy level.

PU is trying to do what Cig has done.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Brohm beat osu and msu (when ranked #2) and had PSU beat until he refused to run the ball. Really struggled with them.

You keep saying Purdue is trying to copy what cig. There is zero evidence.

Brohm did recruit well in certain areas..QB especially. The win against O$U a few years back was electric, especially the featuring of the kid who died a few months later. Brave kid!
Cig was a unique situation, and he grasped some important details regarding the portal, and older, more mature young men.

Today's College Football is similar to mid-19th century American political and social development:
Totally in Flux and a time of great change.

It's not a matter of 'copying'..

It's much more the commitment of the IU administration, and Coach Cig, his staff, students and we, the long-suffering loyal alumni and fans ....and the result when we all pulled the wagon together.

That's what football will try to emulate..the result, less so the method.

What a ride!!

 

[jsenleo]

Why is there a thread about Purdue on this site???....
No one on here should give a flyin' sh*t.

This is a waste of precious internet band width!

 

[BoilerN]

Are you not alarmed that some of UNLV’s best players aren’t following Odom to West Lafayette and instead joining peer programs such as Rutgers, Missouri, and Virginia? I thought you said Purdue’s NIL was respectable going forward? BO is doing the same thing Walters failed doing; signing journeyman formerly top rated high school recruits who haven’t produced.

The top couple went to better NIL programs yes. Bummer, but is what it is. Some good ones have still followed.

And again, he isn’t signing journeymen, he’s signing mostly players he has experience with at the collegiate level in some capacity. He or assistant coaches. He isn’t just taking a chance on random players. But walters also signed a bunch of good G5 guys out of the portal as well.

 

[BoilerN]

True, PU lost to roughly everybody. I'm guessing losing to ND and IU a combined 133-7 stuck in PU's craw and played a big part in pulling the plug after only the 2nd year. Odom got shit canned by Mizzou, and the guys before and after at Mizzou performed way better. The cat's already out of the bag regarding how Odom does at the big boy level.

PU is trying to do what Cig has done.

You keep claiming Odom failed at mizzou. He went .500 then won big at UNLV. But hey, Beilema struggled in the SEC and is doing just fine.

 

[BoilerN]

Brohm did recruit well in certain areas..QB especially. The win against O$U a few years back was electric, especially the featuring of the kid who died a few months later. Brave kid!
Cig was a unique situation, and he grasped some important details regarding the portal, and older, more mature young men.

Today's College Football is similar to mid-19th century American political and social development:
Totally in Flux and a time of great change.

It's not a matter of 'copying'..

It's much more the commitment of the IU administration, and Coach Cig, his staff, students and we, the long-suffering loyal alumni and fans ....and the result when we all pulled the wagon together.

That's what football will try to emulate..the result, less so the method.

What a ride!!

Actually, I would argue QB was a position Brohm was horrible at recruiting, ironically.

How is Purdue not committing to football? They have made their facilities super nice. Paid Odom 6 mil in year one, gave him an unlimited staff budget. Seems like commitment.

 

[IndyResident16]

The top couple went to better NIL programs yes. Bummer, but is what it is. Some good ones have still followed.

And again, he isn’t signing journeymen, he’s signing mostly players he has experience with at the collegiate level in some capacity. He or assistant coaches. He isn’t just taking a chance on random players. But walters also signed a bunch of good G5 guys out of the portal as well.

Rutgers and Virginia better NIL programs? Woof, Purdue really is in trouble.

 

[IndyResident16]

Actually, I would argue QB was a position Brohm was horrible at recruiting, ironically.

How is Purdue not committing to football? They have made their facilities super nice. Paid Odom 6 mil in year one, gave him an unlimited staff budget. Seems like commitment.

An unlimited staff budget? You just signed an OC who didn’t call plays at his last gig who wasn’t previously retained by Odom at Missouri. You expect us to believe that?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Actually, I would argue QB was a position Brohm was horrible at recruiting, ironically.

How is Purdue not committing to football? They have made their facilities super nice. Paid Odom 6 mil in year one, gave him an unlimited staff budget. Seems like commitment.

My post was more about IU's path to 2024 success. Was not about PU except to give credit where it was deserved.
I don't share the rather silly 'must hate the Boilers' mindset that some exhibit.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I don't really care...

But if Purdue sucking is something anyone cares about... The only caution I'd give writing their obituary is we're less than 1 year removed from being in a very similar situation. Odom probably isn't Cignetti. He's proven he's a decent coach, but I'm not sure he's proven it as much as Cignetti had.

But IU turned over roughly that many players last year. And many of us were questioning the amount of JMU dudes he was bringing in. Is Odom bringing UNLV guys? Might be an important distinction, if not. But if he is bringing even a few key UNLV guys in, that can have a big impact...as we've seen.

I kinda doubt Odom can, or will, replicate what Cig has and will continue to do at IU. But again...think about where "we" were less than 1 year ago.

Keeping in mind that JMU won 9 games this year including their Bowl game. Some good players stayed at JMU. I'm happy that they didn't crater.

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

You keep claiming Odom failed at mizzou. He went .500 then won big at UNLV. But hey, Beilema struggled in the SEC and is doing just fine.

What's the Odom equivalent for Bielema's Wisky record? He was fired from Mizzou and had a below .500 conference record, and the coaches before and after him there did way better. I suppose getting fired is a job well done?

 

[Victorbmyboy]

You keep claiming Odom failed at mizzou. He went .500 then won big at UNLV. But hey, Beilema struggled in the SEC and is doing just fine.

Lmao. Beilema isn’t even close to a comp. Winning big at UNLV is way different than winning in arguably the best stretch in SEC history. That conference was a meat grinder. He also won 2 bowl games in that stretch. Odom hasn’t won 1 bowl.

 

[EvansvilleHoosier88]

Lmao. Beilema isn’t even close to a comp. Winning big at UNLV is way different than winning in arguably the best stretch in SEC history. That conference was a meat grinder. He also won 2 bowl games in that stretch. Odom hasn’t won 1 bowl.

Keep your facts out of it. The ship isn’t sinking and there is no need to panic. The Titanic will rise again!

You know this because the band plays on….the band’s name is BoilerN. They aren’t very good.

 

[RegionHoosiers]

He is bringing some in yes, plus some transfers from schools where he hired coaches from. He won’t repeat what cig did though mostly because of the schedule. Purdue still has a fairly tough schedule next year.

IMO, he needs to build for 2026 schedule, which it honestly seems like he might be doing, while trying to win next year. It’s hard to compare this to cig. Not sure where that comparison ever came from. It’s not the norm.

"mostly because of the schedule" Yeah that's the difference

 

[BoilerN]

An unlimited staff budget? You just signed an OC who didn’t call plays at his last gig who wasn’t previously retained by Odom at Missouri. You expect us to believe that?

Where is his staff number? Contract says otherwise

 

[BoilerN]

Rutgers and Virginia better NIL programs? Woof, Purdue really is in trouble.

Probably not. I don’t think those guys even visited Purdue. Zero reports on Purdue trying to schedule a visit.

 

[IndyResident16]

Where is his staff number? Contract says otherwise

You're missing the point. A coach with an unlimited staff budget isn't bringing in Josh Henson to call plays.

 

[Tegray1]

Where is his staff number? Contract says otherwise

NIL may be their biggest problem. They have added a lot of players that have not played much at previous college stops. Just like last year. Some players are freshmen but a lot have bounced around with no playing time. So they are coming to PU to try to play. Not a lot of previous productive experience. That is the situation they are in. How many PU starters stayed? Not many at all.

 

[IndyResident16]

Probably not. I don’t think those guys even visited Purdue. Zero reports on Purdue trying to schedule a visit.

So Odom didn't want to bring his best guys over from UNLV? Lol ok....

 

[td75]

Indiana has a couple of billionaire backers that Purdue doesn't have. Billionaires run the show, that's more apparent nowadays than ever before.

 

[TomEric4756]

Isn’t the aspiration to compete for BiG and CFP championships and move on from obsessing about Purdue.

 

[Brockway]

34 outgoing transfers, 4 withdrew from the portal, 30 confirmed outgoing. They lost literally every one of their quality players in the portal.

19 incoming so far, which ranks in the top 5 just in terms of volume, and consisting of guys who are okay in a few instances, to just a collection of guys to fill a roster. Transfer class ranks 13th in the big 10, and only because of the sheer number of transfers. It is the lowest ranked class in the Big 10 by player rating, and on of the lowest ranked classes in college football (again by player rating), only higher ranked than Western Michigan, San Diego State, North Texas, UMASS, Kennesaw State, Toledo, Ball State and a few others.

Odom has brought in 3 QBs in one portal class!! Unheard of, and none of them have played more than a smidgen of minutes. And they are all the same guy--run first QBs.....

The 2025 high school class consists of 10 signed players, and 247 does not identify any of those players as coming in for spring.

On offense, they lose their entire OL except for Jaden Ball, two tight ends, quarterback, their entire WR group but do get back Mockobee.

On defense they have lost literally everyone.

Odom is a good coach, but he ain't that good. I don't see how they win more than 2 games (Ball State and Southern Illinois).

Titanic?

SS Minnow, at best.

 

[vesuvius13]

Isn’t the aspiration to compete for BiG and CFP championships and move on from obsessing about Purdue.

Absolutely, no limits!

 

[Tegray1]

Isn’t the aspiration to compete for BiG and CFP championships and move on from obsessing about Purdue.

Not an obsession. Kick them when they are down.

 

[RegionHoosiers]

Isn’t the aspiration to compete for BiG and CFP championships and move on from obsessing about Purdue.

Yep 100%.