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Prepare yourselves for the fall of Kiev or death of Zelensky.

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Envision now in your minds Trump's talk afterwards ("Z never had the cards" "it's a very sad thing, but he wouldn't listen", etc.) but, more importantly, envision the utter geopolitical calamity that would ensue in Europe that would affect the world all over.

Now envision what Trump would do in that climate. Try not to shit your pants.

If things get very heated in E Europe...troop mobilization, etc...we already know Trump is not going to side with w Europe and will only help Russia.

A global conflict, even one in the making, will require side-picking here...and a conflict of that nature would be front and center for nearly every administration in the world. Our country would have the distinction of being split right down the middle, though, and it will be ugly....likely nation-destroying.

Trump is on the side of the Russians. That is clear to anybody w any critical thinking skills. His art of the deal w the Russians is to hurt Ukraine by denying intelligence/munitions until a "settlement" can be reached. In short, Trump is constructively winning the war for the Russians.

We have never lived in a USA where one of its political parties...the Republicans...have been allies of the former Soviet Union.

All I want to do is retire and live a nice peaceful life if I'm lucky w my girls, etc....I don't need this shit. And let me speak for some of you: you don't need this shit.

Trump is catastrophically weakening our position w Russia and in the world. There is one way Trump deals with everybody else (including friends), and then there is the way he deals w Putin. That some here thing this makes us stronger really shows our country's waywardness.
 
Envision now in your minds Trump's talk afterwards ("Z never had the cards" "it's a very sad thing, but he wouldn't listen", etc.) but, more importantly, envision the utter geopolitical calamity that would ensue in Europe that would affect the world all over.

Now envision what Trump would do in that climate. Try not to shit your pants.

If things get very heated in E Europe...troop mobilization, etc...we already know Trump is not going to side with w Europe and will only help Russia.

A global conflict, even one in the making, will require side-picking here...and a conflict of that nature would be front and center for nearly every administration in the world. Our country would have the distinction of being split right down the middle, though, and it will be ugly....likely nation-destroying.

Trump is on the side of the Russians. That is clear to anybody w any critical thinking skills. His art of the deal w the Russians is to hurt Ukraine by denying intelligence/munitions until a "settlement" can be reached. In short, Trump is constructively winning the war for the Russians.

We have never lived in a USA where one of its political parties...the Republicans...have been allies of the former Soviet Union.

All I want to do is retire and live a nice peaceful life if I'm lucky w my girls, etc....I don't need this shit. And let me speak for some of you: you don't need this shit.

Trump is catastrophically weakening our position w Russia and in the world. There is one way Trump deals with everybody else (including friends), and then there is the way he deals w Putin. That some here thing this makes us stronger really shows our country's waywardness.
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Envision now in your minds Trump's talk afterwards ("Z never had the cards" "it's a very sad thing, but he wouldn't listen", etc.) but, more importantly, envision the utter geopolitical calamity that would ensue in Europe that would affect the world all over.

Now envision what Trump would do in that climate. Try not to shit your pants.

If things get very heated in E Europe...troop mobilization, etc...we already know Trump is not going to side with w Europe and will only help Russia.

A global conflict, even one in the making, will require side-picking here...and a conflict of that nature would be front and center for nearly every administration in the world. Our country would have the distinction of being split right down the middle, though, and it will be ugly....likely nation-destroying.

Trump is on the side of the Russians. That is clear to anybody w any critical thinking skills. His art of the deal w the Russians is to hurt Ukraine by denying intelligence/munitions until a "settlement" can be reached. In short, Trump is constructively winning the war for the Russians.

We have never lived in a USA where one of its political parties...the Republicans...have been allies of the former Soviet Union.

All I want to do is retire and live a nice peaceful life if I'm lucky w my girls, etc....I don't need this shit. And let me speak for some of you: you don't need this shit.

Trump is catastrophically weakening our position w Russia and in the world. There is one way Trump deals with everybody else (including friends), and then there is the way he deals w Putin. That some here thing this makes us stronger really shows our country's waywardness.
U.S. troops stationed in Europe is the deterrent
 
Envision now in your minds Trump's talk afterwards ("Z never had the cards" "it's a very sad thing, but he wouldn't listen", etc.) but, more importantly, envision the utter geopolitical calamity that would ensue in Europe that would affect the world all over.

Now envision what Trump would do in that climate. Try not to shit your pants.

If things get very heated in E Europe...troop mobilization, etc...we already know Trump is not going to side with w Europe and will only help Russia.

A global conflict, even one in the making, will require side-picking here...and a conflict of that nature would be front and center for nearly every administration in the world. Our country would have the distinction of being split right down the middle, though, and it will be ugly....likely nation-destroying.

Trump is on the side of the Russians. That is clear to anybody w any critical thinking skills. His art of the deal w the Russians is to hurt Ukraine by denying intelligence/munitions until a "settlement" can be reached. In short, Trump is constructively winning the war for the Russians.

We have never lived in a USA where one of its political parties...the Republicans...have been allies of the former Soviet Union.

All I want to do is retire and live a nice peaceful life if I'm lucky w my girls, etc....I don't need this shit. And let me speak for some of you: you don't need this shit.

Trump is catastrophically weakening our position w Russia and in the world. There is one way Trump deals with everybody else (including friends), and then there is the way he deals w Putin. That some here thing this makes us stronger really shows our country's waywardness.
You have no idea of which you speak. None.

Imagine a world in which you speak your truth and actually understand the subject you speak on. What a great world that would be.
 
U.S. troops stationed in Europe is the deterrent
Stationing troops doesn’t mean squat since we said early and often no US troops on Uranian soil.

Trump is right. Putin is holding all the cards because Ukraine and those who resist are not playing with a full deck.

Putin could bring Ukraine to its knees in a day. All he needs to do is pothole some airports, blow up a few bridges, and destroy rail lines. He hasn’t done that imo, because he wants a Russian puppet in Kiev and doesn’t want to piss off all the Ukrainians.
 
Stationing troops doesn’t mean squat since we said early and often no US troops on Uranian soil.

Trump is right. Putin is holding all the cards because Ukraine and those who resist are not playing with a full deck.

Putin could bring Ukraine to its knees in a day. All he needs to do is pothole some airports, blow up a few bridges, and destroy rail lines. He hasn’t done that imo, because he wants a Russian puppet in Kiev and doesn’t want to piss off all the Ukrainians.
Where did you get the idea that Russia hasn't done all those things already? He has. You think Putin hasn't been trying to win the war? That would be super strange.

Our President has taken some cards from Zelenskyy's hand.

 
Stationing troops doesn’t mean squat since we said early and often no US troops on Uranian soil.

Trump is right. Putin is holding all the cards because Ukraine and those who resist are not playing with a full deck.

Putin could bring Ukraine to its knees in a day. All he needs to do is pothole some airports, blow up a few bridges, and destroy rail lines. He hasn’t done that imo, because he wants a Russian puppet in Kiev and doesn’t want to piss off all the Ukrainians.
He “doesn’t want to piss off all the Ukrainians”? ROFL Have you lost your mind?
 
Stationing troops doesn’t mean squat since we said early and often no US troops on Uranian soil.

Trump is right. Putin is holding all the cards because Ukraine and those who resist are not playing with a full deck.

Putin could bring Ukraine to its knees in a day. All he needs to do is pothole some airports, blow up a few bridges, and destroy rail lines. He hasn’t done that imo, because he wants a Russian puppet in Kiev and doesn’t want to piss off all the Ukrainians.
He hits power and natural gas infrastructure, you don't think that irritates Ukrainians? Do you know how cold it can get in Ukraine?

They went after Ukrainian rail last summer:


They are sending Ukrainian children to Russia, that is a move to make Ukrainians happy with Russia?
 
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Stationing troops doesn’t mean squat since we said early and often no US troops on Uranian soil.

Trump is right. Putin is holding all the cards because Ukraine and those who resist are not playing with a full deck.

Putin could bring Ukraine to its knees in a day. All he needs to do is pothole some airports, blow up a few bridges, and destroy rail lines. He hasn’t done that imo, because he wants a Russian puppet in Kiev and doesn’t want to piss off all the Ukrainians.
Because invading, killing and raping ukranians hasn't already pissed them off

You have some of the craziest takes on the board
 
He hits power and natural gas infrastructure, you don't think that irritates Ukrainians? Do you know how cold it can get in Ukraine?

They went after Ukrainian rail last summer:


They are sending Ukrainian children to Russia, that is a move to make Ukrainians happy with Russia?
About 17% of people in Ukraine are Russian.

What I meant by my “pissing off” comment is that Putin is not taking measures to starve or otherwise force Ukraine into submission like we did with our strategic bombing campaigns in WWII. I think Putin could do that if he wanted to. I believe he still thinks Ukraine will be either part of Russia or a Russian puppet.
 
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About 17% of people in Ukraine are Russian.

What I meant by my “pissing off” comment is that Putin is not taking measures to starve or otherwise force Ukraine into submission like we did with our strategic bombing campaigns in WWII. I think Putin could do that if he wanted to. I believe he still thinks Ukraine will be either part of Russia or a Russian puppet.
Russia does not have total air superiority. Their planes are shot down if they enter Ukraine, limiting them to missiles. They have been using missiles up.

The BBC below says that it is estimated that 80% of Russian missiles are successfully intercepted. That is a high number:


That means 20% are left to hit all the various targets, civilian and military. The Russians are now using Iranian missiles as they have been digging deep in their own stock.

 
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Stationing troops doesn’t mean squat since we said early and often no US troops on Uranian soil.

Trump is right. Putin is holding all the cards because Ukraine and those who resist are not playing with a full deck.

Putin could bring Ukraine to its knees in a day. All he needs to do is pothole some airports, blow up a few bridges, and destroy rail lines. He hasn’t done that imo, because he wants a Russian puppet in Kiev and doesn’t want to piss off all the Ukrainians.
If he could do that, he would have already. The reason he hasn't brought Ukraine to its knees is because he isn't capable, short of a nuclear strike, and even he's (so far) not that crazy.
 
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