Passouts at half
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He's not really bitter, more of a legend in his own mind. When you think about it, it is amazing that he has the ability to know what other people are thinking and what their motivations are, incredible !
I just don't get the anger. If these folks want to be angry at someone, they should start with the folks that have failed to execute on the FB strategy not those that make personal choices based on options. Free markets react to execution. The Kelley education is among the best...use it.
Following your logic, we should raise ticket prices on everyone including students, charge much more for premium parking, have seat licences, etc. I mean, if we want to act like a big time program... The problem with your theory is, we really aren't a big time program. Yet.
Sure, eventually, but each thing in it's turn. We should start with the low hanging stuff like proper parking and traffic control, ending passouts (probably not going to happen any time soon) and making sure the scoreboard operator isn't playing ads and music over the marching band. Those are easy. I'm sure we could all think of other things.
Yep - the gruppenfuhrers want you to goose-step to their tune. You will be satisfied with what they provide you, and when they want your opinion they will give it to you. Resistance is futile.
Ending passouts quite literally does nothing to improve the football program, the fan experience, increase attendance, or anything else positive. Absolutely nothing at all. Find something that matters to complain about.
I'm not really complaining about it and it's not high on my list of changes, but it would improve all of those things, at least a little. 2nd half attendance would be up as well as concession sales and it's a waste of manpower to have to staff the gates. Anyone who has ever been around sports knows that the crowd can inspire or deflate a team. Playing in front of a tiny, silent crowd who would rather be out tailgating certainly doesn't help our team.
There's a reason why practically no college or pro sports program allows pass outs any more. They've done the math and found that eliminating them is a good idea. Plain and simple. The reason we haven't is because, like with our insanely stupid ticket office and policies, it seems easier to continue to do things the dumb way than to have to listen to people complain about the change.
Certainly not based upon me, but then you have a history of speaking for others.
Actually you appear quite bitter. Hope you are able to overcome.
Hoosierdug, courtsense, and spa...enough with the personal pissing match or I'll suspend all three of you.
I don't think it would do any of those things. You do realize that you don't reduce staffing by ending pass outs? You have to keep someone(s) at each gate whether or not pass outs are allowed.
Pass outs improve the game day experience, not worsen it - you need a better product if you're going to eliminate a convenient feature of attending a game. IU hasn't offered a good product (wins) in a long time. Win and they'll stay. Lose and they won't.
I don't think people who would rather tailgate will stay in the stadium if the team starts winning. As long as there are pass out privileges, most people will use them, with some wandering back in sometime during the 3rd quarter. Opposing teams must love it, since their fans actually stay and cheer for them. Just a difference in priorities, that's all.
I think you seriously overestimate the number of people who do/intend to make use of pass outs. I don't think it has a significant impact on attendance for a portion of the second half. Of course, there's no way to know without the data, which I suspect the athletic dept has considered.
And I think it's absurd that you don't think winning would improve attendance. That's probably the most absurd thing I've ever read on this board, and this board is really just a bunch of loons.
I just look around and see far fewer people in the stands, and then realize that most of them are lingering in the parking lot. It's really indisputable.
I never said winning wouldn't improve attendance, so I'm not sure why you made that up. If there's anything one would call absurd, that's it. But winning won't change people's habits or priorities, which are to grab a sandwich and a beer and drift back into the stadium in the middle of the third quarter.
Lots of people leave the game and intend to linger in the parking lots because tailgating is more fun for some people than attending a Hoosier football game - that's indisputable. There's a difference between people just leaving and people using a pass out. Most people just leave.
Hey, we agree. Many IU fans are more interested in tailgating than actually watching the game. That's been the nature of IU football fan "support" for some time, and it's part of the reason that IU will never field a winning program. Good players who have options don't want to go to a school where the tailgate is more important than the game.
Wins will fix that culture. Having or not having pass outs won't. That pretty much sums up my perspective. You disagree for a reason that I can't see. Either way, I'm tired of talking about pass outs. Hope we both see a W today.
I just think IU should do anything they can to enhance the stadium atmosphere. You feel differently and don't think it matters. No worries.
Agree on most of this. We went back in after a delicious steak Sammie and a cold wee mac. Missed about four plays. Most around us did as well. It worked as it should. Great game day experience yesterday, can't wait for the Ohio game.
The "data" that the athletic department has considered is that it's easier to keep doing what they're doing than to listen to a few complaints about changing/fixing things, even if it means better results. Again (and again, and again...) there is a reason why almost no one in college or pro sports allows pass outs any more. They've considered the options and determined that eliminating them is the best option. Spa is completely right on this. I'm not e-mailing or calling Fred Glass over it and I don't expect it to change any time soon but it would be the smart thing to do.
Our high school team does not allow pass outs but a team from the big ten thinks it is a good idea.
That is the problem you need good players to win and those players come for a visit and see the stadium half empty after half time won't come to IU because of the terrible fan support.
There is only one reason to cut pass outs. It increases concessions sales. Period.
It does nothing to enhance the program or cut costs. No case has been made here for doing so until the economic elasticity says it is time.
As soon as Glass sees the ability to do so, he will...as would I.
It does nothing to enhance the program or cut costs. No case has been made here for doing so until the economic elasticity says it is time.
As soon as Glass sees the ability to do so, he will...as would I.
High schools don't in part to keep a bunch of 17 years olds from getting high in the parking lot. There is no comparison between that situation and Btown.
Again, taking away pass outs won't fix that. Those people leave - for good - they are not just slow to return. Pass outs don't matter.
If you're not going to allow pass outs, then just go ahead and sell beer like other Big Ten schools, this will solve your complaints about the added costs from pass outs
That sounds great but would only exacerbate the inadequate rest room facilities issue! Would be like having only a one-holer in a brew pub. OOPS - Sorry Lennie's (well, technically a 2 holer if you don't require privacy).
Another of many game day experience issues that could easily be addressed. Hopefully expansion and improvement of bathrooms are part of the SEZ project.
me either because that only leads to bad behavior when the people get drunk at games
People are already drunk. Might as well make some money from it. Besides, not that many people are going to get trashed buying $8 beers.
