Are we a laughing stock and inexplicably underachieving? Yes. At least we do things by the book.
Our program may be terrible but at least we don't cheat.
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So do a couple hundred other schools. I wouldn’t pound your chest too hard here.
I sure hope we aren't cheating. If so, someone is really bad at it.
Never say never.
Do I think we are? No - but college basketball has enough money involved for sleeze to seep out of the smallest cracks.
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How do you know they aren’t?
That old argument again. Yeah great we self reported and it set us back a good 10 years while teams like Duke keep winning.
It's quite possible the reason people are laughing at you has nothing to do with IU or basketball in general..
Wow. Just wow. What made this program? Final fours and NC. So your happy being the bottom of the barrell? Your past coach just played on national TV during the biggest Coll ball time of the year. The coach is being treated like a master mind and top coach in the game. IU is bottom of the barrel. IU is a team from a top conf you bring in as a guaranteed win. IU on the flip side. Now IU is the underdog during a game that. No one cares about watching. Hoping for a upset. Once again. IU and basketball became a name and brand. Winning final fours and NC. So if being able to tip your hat to being a clean program. And nothing else. Going to become empty seats.
The op maybe terrible at posting, but I guess he doesn’t cheat so he’s got that atleast. I’m obviously a U.K. fan, but I would never say our program was terrible. Not all programs pay players. I think most bend the rules but not to the extreme of the Louisville’s, or the lsus of the world
Or at least that’s what most IU fans think. I don’t think any of us know for sure.
Yet you - a UK fan, no less - are here on an Indiana Basketball message board.
Wow. Just wow.
So a six figure payout via Adidas to Sr Langford is 'by the book'? I must have missed reading that chapter.
https://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/dirtiest-programs-in-college-basketball/
And KY fans wonder why they are the most mocked fanbase in all of sport.
Yes, it’s by the book.
Same type of deal is done multiple times each year to people running AAU programs. Said deal was done prior to current IU coaching staff, also.
IU is not a laughing stock. This is just your usual "trash IU" sort of post. Move on, troll.
There is no one on this board that can say with 100% certainty either way. I think it is funny when people post stuff like this claiming they know IU is 100% in compliance with the rules.
Major college basketball is a cesspool. Anyone who thinks any successful program is squeaky clean is only fooling themselves.
What about not too successful programs, like Archie’s IU basketball program?
I guess I'm in the minority. I'd prefer to be cheating/skirting the rules and winning. My assumption is everyone else is doing it so why be clean and constantly miss the tourney and bowl games? So we get caught? We got caught before and only got punished because we were dumb enough to self report. It's not an even playing field. The NCAA is corrupt and favors larger programs. We need to become the larger program that is too big to punish. Only then we will be apart of basketball's elite (Duke - Zion's mother paid, NC - fake classes, Kansas - Shoe deal money, UK - LOL, UL - Shoe deal money, nasty whores and an adulterer coach that last 15 seconds, UCLA - Sam Gilbert, MSU - Open rape season on girls by athletes.)
That being said, no place for rape, nasty whores, academic fraud, and sleazeball coaches. But it's time to pony up some real money and start competing again.
That being said, no place for rape, nasty whores, academic fraud, and sleazeball coaches. But it's time to pony up some real money and start competing again.
You realize what you're saying here, right? If you are going down that road, then it's only a matter of degree. For a lot of people, they don't mind rape, nasty whores, and academic fraud if that leads to winning.
If you would prefer cheating as a path to winning more, as an alum I would prefer you root for another school. The reason for a lot of the sleaze in in college football and basketball is that too many fans of those programs have no connection to the university beyond athletics. We were winning under Kelvin Sampson and had he stayed we would have been a consistent powerhouse program. Still, I refused to watch and support the program because I knew what kind of dirtbag he was and the kind of shit- for- humans he would bring to campus posing as student athletes. My daughter was in school there at the time and a few of those guys lived in her apartment complex. They gave her the creeps.
As a guy with long and deep connections to Indiana University, I damn sure hope you are in the minority.
Sorry fella, I'm an alum too, 96' BS Computer Science. Again, everyone else skirts the rules. Being squeaky clean means nothing if you are never competitive.
I see it differently. For me, being competitive means nothing if you have to cheat to do it. If I have to root for a cheater, I'll find something else to entertain me.
Fair enough. I guess I just see the NCAA as a giant cesspool of cheating and exploitation of athletes. As long as we are apart of it, I want to be competitive. And pushing the envelope is apparently how it's done. If Miller/Allen can become consistent winners being squeaky clean and having FG as AD, then that would be amazing. I just don't see it happening. Hopefully I'm dead wrong and can eat lots of crow.
I understand the frustration. But there are people out there having great success without being dirty ( at least as far as we know). Neither Virginia nor Villanova have been accused or even suspected of anything underhanded and they've managed to win the last two national championships. Michigan, Purdue, and Wisconsin within our own conference have done it without suspicious behavior. Those are the programs I want us to emulate.
I'm a huge Saint Louis Cardinals fan but I had a hard time rooting for Mark McGwire when it became public knowledge how he broke the homerun record. It didn't make me feel any better that he was only doing what Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and so many others were doing. I couldn't rationalize it because MLB was turning a blind eye.
I hope the NCAA steps up and cleans things up like MLB did. It would help if there were more pressure coming from Washington as there was with the steroids scandal. I'm not optimistic, but I'm hopeful that the exposure of the shoe company sleaze will spur some calls for reform and will bring some pressure to bear on the dirtiest programs.
Very good points but unfortunately I think the money will prevent the NCAA from cleaning up anything. I feel like between the NCAA, the schools (Duke, NC, KS, etc...), the conferences and their networks, ESPN, there is too much money to let there be any failure. When NC got away with academic fraud which used to be a death penalty topic, that's when it became apparent that there will never be a level playing field.
I don't disagree with that. I think if anything is to be done it's going to have to be driven from Congress with threats of legislation or the Justice Department with criminal indictments that embarrass the NCAA into taking a more determined stance against the dirty business.
One thing for sure, if that day comes I don't want to be caught up in the dragnet because we took the position of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"
Good God … yes UK fan, I'm not even that morose about the state of things here. One more year, then see.
