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OT: Big XII stripping the PAC to the bone? (link)

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Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado are the teams of interest.
 
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Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado are the teams of interest.
That indicates that Stanford, Washington & Oregon coming to B1G!
 
Big should add Oregon, Stanford, Cal and Notre Dame and call it a day. Create 4 pods of 5 teams.

OSU
PSU
Michigan
Rutgers
Maryland

IU
PU
ND
MSU
NW

Iowa
Minny
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Illinois

USC
UCLA
Oregon
Cal
Stanford
 
Big should add Oregon, Stanford, Cal and Notre Dame and call it a day. Create 4 pods of 5 teams.

OSU
PSU
Michigan
Rutgers
Maryland

IU
PU
ND
MSU
NW

Iowa
Minny
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Illinois

USC
UCLA
Oregon
Cal
Stanford
This would make the most sense, we will have to see if it shakes out this way.
 
This would make the most sense, we will have to see if it shakes out this way.
I really like the idea of Cal. Washington just does nothing for B1G. Also Oregon has a recent athletic pedigree but what market in the state brings anything but middling #'s to BTN? I understood RU and Maryland but Washington and Oregon?
 
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Big should add Oregon, Stanford, Cal and Notre Dame and call it a day. Create 4 pods of 5 teams.

OSU
PSU
Michigan
Rutgers
Maryland

IU
PU
ND
MSU
NW

Iowa
Minny
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Illinois

USC
UCLA
Oregon
Cal
Stanford
Why do a pod? Draw a line underneath Illinois and then you have east/west. Each team rotates 2 teams from each division every 2 years. Just switch ND and Illinois from East to West to keep ND/SC/Stanford.
That is with the addition of just Stanford and ND. With 20 teams you couldn’t cross over. Keep it at 18.

ND can no longer afford to be a independent and from a cultural and economical fit the B1G checks all of their boxes along with preserving historic rivalries.
 
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I really like the idea of Cal. Washington just does nothing for B1G. Also Oregon has a recent athletic pedigree but what market in the state brings anything but middling #'s to BTN? I understood RU and Maryland but Washington and Oregon?
Washington adding nothing is not true at all.... It is one of the best choices...... It brings the Seattle DMA, the 12th largest with 2.1 million TV Households.... Just by adding UCLA and USC the B1G has already made major inroads to the San Fran/Oakland DMA which is where the U. Cal has most of its followiing... it's hard to add something you already control (over the SEC) .....

Since it's all about the money and the larger the DMA the more potential dollars...

So the other smart options are to add a school that dominates the Boston DMA (#10 - 2.5 million TV HH)... and BC is the only one I can think of and I don't think they're a fit .. or, Arizona even though it's in the Tucson DMA and ASU is in Phoenix DBA but their DMA's really do overlap... AU is still a major influence in the #11 market, Phoenix....

Seattle is the most logical DMA for the B1g to go after.... Portland Oregon is small by comparison, #21 DMA with 1.3 TV HH.....
 
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How many do we have now? Who will we add next? I am confused.
This rumor is gaining more ground and IU would really need to step up to the plate for football even if it means rising above basketball.

What do you think the chances are these two come to the B1G soon.
B1g now has 16 teams with many saying 20 is possible. I have seen 24 as the number anticipated in the future as realignment shakes out.
 
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B1g now has 16 teams with many saying 20 is possible. I have seen 24 as the number anticipated in the future as realignment shakes out.

Scheduling will be a nightmare past 20. That at least gives you four 5-team pods and rotating playing other pod every four years. Beyond that, some teams won't see each other for five years or more.
 
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B1g now has 16 teams with many saying 20 is possible. I have seen 24 as the number anticipated in the future as realignment shakes out.
Thanks. Very difficult for the university presidents to talk about education advantages now.
This is about money. Huge plane rides, tough on the players, no way a kid can do classes in a normal way.
I understand. Just admit it.
 
Thanks. Very difficult for the university presidents to talk about education advantages now.
This is about money. Huge plane rides, tough on the players, no way a kid can do classes in a normal way.
I understand. Just admit it.
Minimal effect on education as teams will be grouped geographically. Chartered flights make it quite easy to travel.
It is about $$$, but educatio will not be sacrificed.
 
Washington adding nothing is not true at all.... It is one of the best choices...... It brings the Seattle DMA, the 12th largest with 2.1 million TV Households.... Just by adding UCLA and USC the B1G has already made major inroads to the San Fran/Oakland DMA which is where the U. Cal has most of its followiing... it's hard to add something you already control (over the SEC) .....

Since it's all about the money and the larger the DMA the more potential dollars...

So the other smart options are to add a school that dominates the Boston DMA (#10 - 2.5 million TV HH)... and BC is the only one I can think of and I don't think they're a fit .. or, Arizona even though it's in the Tucson DMA and ASU is in Phoenix DBA but their DMA's really do overlap... AU is still a major influence in the #11 market, Phoenix....

Seattle is the most logical DMA for the B1g to go after.... Portland Oregon is small by comparison, #21 DMA with 1.3 TV HH.....
If that is paramount why is the PAC disintegrating? Something is fishy. Money should be no problem. A lot of TVs but damn few viewers? Somebody is throwing a feint. To hell with both states as far as the B1G is concerned.
 
I like that, but it would be interesting to see what ND thought of it. They'd probably like their chances, if not the marquee.
Big should add Oregon, Stanford, Cal and Notre Dame and call it a day. Create 4 pods of 5 teams.

OSU
PSU
Michigan
Rutgers
Maryland

IU
PU
ND
MSU
NW

Iowa
Minny
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Illinois

USC
UCLA
Oregon
Cal
Stanford
That's nice from a geography standpoint but that's not the primary issue any more. $$$$

Also, Notre Dame won't want to play those neighboring schools every year. No way. Notre Dame wants geographic diversity for educational and athletic recruiting, which is why the ACC works currently.
 
That's nice from a geography standpoint but that's not the primary issue any more. $$$$

Also, Notre Dame won't want to play those neighboring schools every year. No way. Notre Dame wants geographic diversity for educational and athletic recruiting, which is why the ACC works currently.
The ACC worked because they gave ND the ability to become a member for everything but football while also providing built in schedule certainty with a set number of available conference opponents each season. The BT wasn’t interested in an “everything but football” arrangement.
 
The ACC worked because they gave ND the ability to become a member for everything but football while also providing built in schedule certainty with a set number of available conference opponents each season. The BT wasn’t interested in an “everything but football” arrangement.
Your points are correct: ND joined the ACC for other sports and plays a few ACC teams each year in football. However, ND football doesn't play the same ACC teams each year, which was implied by the BIG pod proposal above that I responded to. ND's football opponents in the ACC are rotated so ND gets that geographic diversity desired.
 
Your points are correct: ND joined the ACC for other sports and plays a few ACC teams each year in football. However, ND football doesn't play the same ACC teams each year, which was implied by the BIG pod proposal above that I responded to. ND's football opponents in the ACC are rotated so ND gets that geographic diversity desired.
All of the other ACC member schools play a rotating schedule, too, just like the Big 10. It wasn’t created to give ND some opportunity for a whirlwind tour.
 
BIG plays a rotating schedule in football? IU plays OSU, PSU, MSU, Mich, Maryland and Rutgers every year. How is that rotating!?

And you're wrong about the ACC. Take a look at ND's football schedule and compare to other ACC schools. ND will play 4 games against ACC schools this year (5 last year) and UNC will play 9, for example.
 
BIG plays a rotating schedule in football? IU plays OSU, PSU, MSU, Mich, Maryland and Rutgers every year. How is that rotating!?

And you're wrong about the ACC. Take a look at ND's football schedule and compare to other ACC schools. ND will play 4 games against ACC schools this year (5 last year) and UNC will play 9, for example.
IU plays different teams from the West every year, in addition to the locked East opponents. And no one said ND played an exclusive ACC schedule, only that they’re able to play a set number of ACC schools based on their availability. It’s how it’s been for them since Day One. Sorry, just assumed everyone knew about the BiG and ND arrangements.
 
Whatever.

My original point was that ND won't join the BIG if that requires being placed in a 5 team pod and playing the same 4 geographically close teams each year. The limited ACC schedule allows ND greater flexibility and geographic diversity, which ND covets.
 
If you were doing the expansion purely for tv viewers, the two obvious choices would be Cal and Washington - that gets you SF/Bay area market and Seattle metro. Plus, both institutions fit the presidents' desire to associate with outstanding educational institutions. But now the added value of adding more schools becomes somewhat prohibitive. To make the numbers work, by adding Cal and Washington the value of the tv contract would need to increase about $200 million per year. Could their addition do that? Not sure. Maybe ND could add enough tv viewers to justify adding them, but as I've said on this board before there are many reasons why they won't want to be part of the B1G (primarily they look down on the B1G schools, like the idea of scheduling who they want for most of their football games and they have become a nobody in the ACC since joining for basketball - something they cannot afford to do in football).

I suspect the new football scheduling will end up as four "pods" of four teams each and a rotation of the other pods every three years like the NFL does with divisional scheduling. When you get to 18, 20, 24 in essence there isn't really a conference in many ways because you play other schools so infrequently. It just becomes like a somewhat more structured group of independents.
 
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Whatever.

My original point was that ND won't join the BIG if that requires being placed in a 5 team pod and playing the same 4 geographically close teams each year. The limited ACC schedule allows ND greater flexibility and geographic diversity, which ND covets.
The one and only reason they’d join the BiG is because the money is simply too good to pass up. If the money is that good, none of the other issues will matter.
 
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Whatever.

My original point was that ND won't join the BIG if that requires being placed in a 5 team pod and playing the same 4 geographically close teams each year. The limited ACC schedule allows ND greater flexibility and geographic diversity, which ND covets.
ND doesn’t want to further tarnish their brand by finishing fourth in their conference every year.
 
I really like the idea of Cal. Washington just does nothing for B1G. Also Oregon has a recent athletic pedigree but what market in the state brings anything but middling #'s to BTN? I understood RU and Maryland but Washington and Oregon?
Washington over Oregon & Cal all day & all night.

I have a fairly long post on the BB board about why, which I don't want to repeat...bottom line is UW is recognized as one of the better Us in the world academically. Top 5 of all schools, public and private, in research $s. Great stadium. Very good support. Solid football history. 46000 students. In Seattle, a top 10 US city in most respects.
 
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