One thing has become clear watching videos from practice...

[Larryismyname]

I’ll tell you why- IU doesn’t care about football and half asses it with respect to investment and effort put into winning. Bad coaches are hired and paid far less than their conference peers. Facilities are mediocre at best. The fanbase is conditioned to accept mediocrity.

I probably wouldn’t put it as strongly as you, but there’s no questioning either the results or the leadership and the results they’ve watched occur under their watches.

 

[Bowlmania]

I’ll tell you why- IU doesn’t care about football and half asses it with respect to investment and effort put into winning. Bad coaches are hired and paid far less than their conference peers. Facilities are mediocre at best. The fanbase is conditioned to accept mediocrity.

Then find another team to root for, and spare us your interminable, single-themed, horseshit posts.

 

[Crimson Crush]

I’ll tell you why- IU doesn’t care about football and half asses it with respect to investment and effort put into winning. Bad coaches are hired and paid far less than their conference peers. Facilities are mediocre at best. The fanbase is conditioned to accept mediocrity.

We just dumped over 100 million into two end zone projects. I wouldn’t say that recent efforts are mediocre by the current administration. They have more upgrades coming. The problem is that Fred is playing catch-up for decades of neglect. You want to say that IU doesn’t care but this is over 40 years of apathy we are trying to eradicate. It’s too easy to say it’s the current AD’s fault. Blame Ralph Floyd for lack of investment. It was non-existent even during the Mallory years. When Mallory was on a 7 year run, they should have been pouring money into facilities.

 

[Larryismyname]

We just dumped over 100 million into two end zone projects. I wouldn’t say that recent efforts are mediocre by the current administration. They have more upgrades coming. The problem is that Fred is playing catch-up for decades of neglect. You want to say that IU doesn’t care but this is over 40 years of apathy we are trying to eradicate. It’s too easy to say it’s the current AD’s fault. Blame Ralph Floyd for lack of investment. It was non-existent even during the Mallory years. When Mallory was on a 7 year run, they should have been pouring money into facilities.

Floyd had neither the money to spend nor the support from the IU administration to raise it. The east stand project was all he was able to get done due to that lack of support.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Floyd had neither the money to spend nor the support from the IU administration to raise it. The east stand project was all he was able to get done due to that lack of support.

Bobby'K's influence over the IU AD really hurt the football program. ADs like Ralph Floyd, who at least on the surface appeared to be barely literate, and know-nothings like Clarence D were the unfortunate result. The run of ADs after Bill Orwig until Fred Glass was brutal.

 

[Larryismyname]

Bobby'K's influence over the IU AD really hurt the football program. ADs like Ralph Floyd, who at least on the surface appeared to be barely literate, and know-nothings like Clarence D were the unfortunate result. The run of ADs after Bill Orwig until Fred Glass was brutal.

Mal loved Floyd, had huge respect for him. A very capable guy, but he wasn’t able to invent money unfortunately.

 

[h20pls]

When Indiana has been in a position to pull off an upset, the Big Ten officiating has usually done its best to interfere. This has happened almost yearly in the past 10 years.

The Bill Lynch chewing gum game at UM is a fine example. Playing at Iowa that same year comes to mind. Two years ago against Ohio State when they mugged our WR in the endzone on the last play of the game with no call. Many, many games I could talk about..last year in East Lansing the official didn't have the sack to pull the flag on an awful holding penalty that would've probably been curtains for MSU had it been called properly.

You've got to get those calls going your way, especially when you're a big dog going into the game. The officiating in the Big Ten is lousy, has been for years.

Most famously, in my opinion, the Michigan game when we had them beat under Corso ('78?) and the tailback was going down and threw the ball out of bounds underhanded.

I was in 4th grade I think...it drove home the lesson that life's not fair.

 

[Larryismyname]

Most famously, in my opinion, the Michigan game when we had them beat under Corso ('78?) and the tailback was going down and threw the ball out of bounds underhanded.

I was in 4th grade I think...it drove home the lesson that life's not fair.

The game was tied when that play occurred, and Michigan won it on the next play as the clock expired.

 

[h20pls]

The game was tied when that play occurred, and Michigan won it on the next play as the clock expired.

It was an old memory...could've sworn we were ahead.

 

[gulcherboy]

True but in the videos it doesn't look like a bunch of guys with beer bellies, which is how it used to be.

Your post reminds me of an old Duffy Daugherty story in which someone asks him, "Do fat people offend you?" Duffy said, "No, fat people don't offend me. Losing with fat people offends me."

 

[stripetology]

Floyd had neither the money to spend nor the support from the IU administration to raise it. The east stand project was all he was able to get done due to that lack of support.

Bobby'K's influence over the IU AD really hurt the football program. ADs like Ralph Floyd, who at least on the surface appeared to be barely literate, and know-nothings like Clarence D were the unfortunate result. The run of ADs after Bill Orwig until Fred Glass was brutal.

So how exactly did BK’s influence keep an entire university from addressing a sport in a different season and separate facility w/out any new buildings or lofty salaries? Sure the Bball program was bigger than life from success but that doesn’t prevent another sport from growing. It was Knight who recommended Mallory even. Really was institutional lack of knowing what was needed to build a football program more than a basketball coach.

 

[Larryismyname]

It was an old memory...could've sworn we were ahead.

Tell me about it.

 

[Palmbeachhoosier]

I’ll tell you why- IU doesn’t care about football and half asses it with respect to investment and effort put into winning. Bad coaches are hired and paid far less than their conference peers. Facilities are mediocre at best. The fanbase is conditioned to accept mediocrity.

Don’t know why you continue to say the facilities are mediocre. They have one of the top largest weightrooms in the country. They have a top notch medical facility. The nutrition center was unfortunately was one of the top takeaways from BTN visit. The stadium looks amazing and they are going to remodel the locker room.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

So how exactly did BK’s influence keep an entire university from addressing a sport in a different season and separate facility w/out any new buildings or lofty salaries? Sure the Bball program was bigger than life from success but that doesn’t prevent another sport from growing. It was Knight who recommended Mallory even. Really was institutional lack of knowing what was needed to build a football program more than a basketball coach.

He did more than recommend Mallory. He basically called and offered him the job. He was bar far the most powerful person in the department. Good for basketball, not so much for football.

 

[Crimson Crush]

Mal loved Floyd, had huge respect for him. A very capable guy, but he wasn’t able to invent money unfortunately.

He couldn’t invent money and he didn’t have the advantage of BTN money. I get that. But, why couldn’t he work the donors more? Why is it just now that people are coming out of the woodwork to donate large sums of money to both football and basketball? Floyd couldn’t work the crowd like Fred has been doing. Floyd was also an SEC guy. Why he didn’t invest in football from 1985-1989 is baffling.

 

[Larryismyname]

He couldn’t invent money and he didn’t have the advantage of BTN money. I get that. But, why couldn’t he work the donors more? Why is it just now that people are coming out of the woodwork to donate large sums of money to both football and basketball? Floyd couldn’t work the crowd like Fred has been doing. Floyd was also an SEC guy. Why he didn’t invest in football from 1985-1989 is baffling.

He did lead expansion and renovation projects for a number of IU athletic facilities, including football, but the naming rights phenomenon that has largely overtaken college sports had not yet started, so large personal donations weren’t the norm. And he wasn’t an SEC guy.

 

[Crimson Crush]

And he wasn’t an SEC guy.

He was at South Carolina in coaching and administration for like 19 years. South Carolina is now part of the SEC. At the time, no they were not. He spent a year at Clemson. He came from a southern football culture prior to IU, which is SEC-like. So, technically not SEC but a culture very much like it with regard to football.

 

[Larryismyname]

He was at South Carolina in coaching and administration for like 19 years. South Carolina is now part of the SEC. At the time, no they were not. He spent a year at Clemson. He came from a southern football culture prior to IU, which is SEC-like. So, technically not SEC but a culture very much like it with regard to football.

He left South Carolina over a decade before they left independence for the SEC, so he was never a part of that. And, if he was, I’m not sure how that was a bad thing. In fact, his tremendous support of Mal tells you it was a very good thing.