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You specifically listed them... 🙄🙈

Like interacting with a 2 year old... but, but, but "I wasn't talking about Those guys"...

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If you're not actually a p u fan you should just take the leap and head there... You're already 90% of the way there...
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Unlike you, I’m not a blind follower of IU. I prefer to be objective and if you want to be unbiased about it, just look at the terrible results. Brohm is 3-1 against Allen. Brohm won 9 games last year. It would take Allen a divine miracle to pull off 9 wins. Allen followed a very good year by completely tanking.
Allen took over a team that was pretty stable and going to a bowl. The guy up north took over Darrell Hazell’s group and went to a bowl his first season, and won it. If you want to focus on something, focus on the guy at IU and then ask yourself why it’s difficult to get in-state recruits for the supposed flagship program. It’s simply coaching.
 
Big Red Crimson Buffalo said:
Unlike you, I’m not a blind follower of IU. I prefer to be objective and if you want to be unbiased about it, just look at the terrible results. Brohm is 3-1 against Allen. Brohm won 9 games last year. It would take Allen a divine miracle to pull off 9 wins. Allen followed a very good year by completely tanking.
Allen took over a team that was pretty stable and going to a bowl. The guy up north took over Darrell Hazell’s group and went to a bowl his first season, and won it. If you want to focus on something, focus on the guy at IU and then ask yourself why it’s difficult to get in-state recruits for the supposed flagship program. It’s simply coaching.
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Way to move the goalposts there.

You list a bunch of kids that haven't had a chance to produce for IU, then when pointed out why, say you didn't mean them.

Then you bring up Brohm and his record against Allen. Congrats, he's got a winning record against us. He's also got many winning seasons at Purdue as Allen has at Indiana. For as good as a coach as you claim Brohm is, he's won a grand total of 2 more games then Allen has in their five years at their respected schools. Brohm has the bowl wins, Allen has the national coach of the year award.

Purdue isn't pulling the big instate kids anymore frequently then we are. To say they are isn't being genuine.
 
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Baller23Boogie said:
Way to move the goalposts there.

You list a bunch of kids that haven't had a chance to produce for IU, then when pointed out why, say you didn't mean them.

Then you bring up Brohm and his record against Allen. Congrats, he's got a winning record against us. He's also got many winning seasons at Purdue as Allen has at Indiana. For as good as a coach as you claim Brohm is, he's won a grand total of 2 more games then Allen has in their five years at their respected schools. Brohm has the bowl wins, Allen has the national coach of the year award.

Purdue isn't pulling the big instate kids anymore frequently then we are. To say they are isn't being genuine.
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It’s about the head-to-head matchup. That’s really all that matters at the end of the day.
I never concluded that Purdue was dominating in-state recruiting. They’ve gotten the one that really matter (Karlaftis and Bell) though. And, the other kids who are probably even in talent level with IU kids, they certainly seem to develop them more. Then, there is this issue of kids transferring to Purdue from IU. That points to some very serious cultural issues going on in the program. How does a starting member of your defensive backfield jump ship and transfer to your in-state rival? There is something very wrong with that. How do people brush that off? If people aren’t concerned with the optics of that, I don’t know what to tell you.
 
Big Red Crimson Buffalo said:
It’s about the head-to-head matchup. That’s really all that matters at the end of the day.
I never concluded that Purdue was dominating in-state recruiting. They’ve gotten the one that really matter (Karlaftis and Bell) though. And, the other kids who are probably even in talent level with IU kids, they certainly seem to develop them more. Then, there is this issue of kids transferring to Purdue from IU. That points to some very serious cultural issues going on in the program. How does a starting member of your defensive backfield jump ship and transfer to your in-state rival? There is something very wrong with that. How do people brush that off? If people aren’t concerned with the optics of that, I don’t know what to tell you.
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Take it to the p u board..... You're a perfect fit over there...
 
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Big Red Crimson Buffalo said:
It’s about the head-to-head matchup. That’s really all that matters at the end of the day.
I never concluded that Purdue was dominating in-state recruiting. They’ve gotten the one that really matter (Karlaftis and Bell) though. And, the other kids who are probably even in talent level with IU kids, they certainly seem to develop them more. Then, there is this issue of kids transferring to Purdue from IU. That points to some very serious cultural issues going on in the program. How does a starting member of your defensive backfield jump ship and transfer to your in-state rival? There is something very wrong with that. How do people brush that off? If people aren’t concerned with the optics of that, I don’t know what to tell you.
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Who was the starting defensive backfield player?

I guess your talking about Reese Taylor. He wasn't starting here with a healthy Mullen and Williams and he knew that. That's why he left in the first place. He didn't want to split snaps anymore.

As hard as you try, you can't change why he left.

The other players they got, Sampson James and the d tackle who's name escapes me, we'll see how they do. I truly hope they both do well except for when they face Indiana. I could care less why they chose Purdue. We've gotten four players from Ole Miss, should that be a sign to Ole Miss that we're gonna poach your players that don't want to play there?

Players go where they have relationships. Purdue is a in-state school so the in-state kids (James and Taylor) aren't far from family and in the case of the d-tackle that went there, Hagen recruited him here so it was natural for him to go there when Hagen was on board there.

This isn't hard to understand. The players aren't fans like we are. They don't hate Purdue like Indiana fans do.
 
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Big Red Crimson Buffalo said:
Unlike you, I’m not a blind follower of IU. I prefer to be objective and if you want to be unbiased about it, just look at the terrible results. Brohm is 3-1 against Allen. Brohm won 9 games last year. It would take Allen a divine miracle to pull off 9 wins. Allen followed a very good year by completely tanking.
Allen took over a team that was pretty stable and going to a bowl. The guy up north took over Darrell Hazell’s group and went to a bowl his first season, and won it. If you want to focus on something, focus on the guy at IU and then ask yourself why it’s difficult to get in-state recruits for the supposed flagship program. It’s simply coaching.
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Couple things:

You are not "objective", I give you the benefit of the doubt that most here have about you and believe you actually are an IU fan, but just negative as hell. You do realize you are in lockstep on every subject with a career pu troll. You are one step short of calling IU "Indinia" and Tom Allen "RevCoachLeo" as he does.

Yep, Allen tanked last season for a number of unacceptable reasons but let's be "objective", had the 2020 game been played Brohm would be 3-2 not the 3-1 he is today. After two very good seasons and one very bad season, this is TA's seminal season.

Enjoy the games.
 
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Baller23Boogie said:
Who was the starting defensive backfield player?

I guess your talking about Reese Taylor. He wasn't starting here with a healthy Mullen and Williams and he knew that. That's why he left in the first place. He didn't want to split snaps anymore.

As hard as you try, you can't change why he left.

The other players they got, Sampson James and the d tackle who's name escapes me, we'll see how they do. I truly hope they both do well except for when they face Indiana. I could care less why they chose Purdue. We've gotten four players from Ole Miss, should that be a sign to Ole Miss that we're gonna poach your players that don't want to play there?

Players go where they have relationships. Purdue is a in-state school so the in-state kids (James and Taylor) aren't far from family and in the case of the d-tackle that went there, Hagen recruited him here so it was natural for him to go there when Hagen was on board there.

This isn't hard to understand. The players aren't fans like we are. They don't hate Purdue like Indiana fans do.
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Well said. When you actually look at the transfers, rather than simply weaponizing them on a message board, you see that they are about PT or relationships...as they almost always are.
 
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Baller23Boogie said:
Who was the starting defensive backfield player?

I guess your talking about Reese Taylor. He wasn't starting here with a healthy Mullen and Williams and he knew that. That's why he left in the first place. He didn't want to split snaps anymore.

As hard as you try, you can't change why he left.

The other players they got, Sampson James and the d tackle who's name escapes me, we'll see how they do. I truly hope they both do well except for when they face Indiana. I could care less why they chose Purdue. We've gotten four players from Ole Miss, should that be a sign to Ole Miss that we're gonna poach your players that don't want to play there?

Players go where they have relationships. Purdue is a in-state school so the in-state kids (James and Taylor) aren't far from family and in the case of the d-tackle that went there, Hagen recruited him here so it was natural for him to go there when Hagen was on board there.

This isn't hard to understand. The players aren't fans like we are. They don't hate Purdue like Indiana fans do.
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You seem to follow the program closely, so I’m sure you know that there was more to RT’s departure than just whether he would start or not (and that was very much up in the air). If you were at the games and around the program, I’m sure you know some of the dysfunction I’m referring to. It’s a new day and a new season, but what happened in 2021 wasn’t a shock to everyone, and that did have some impact.
 
Jackskip23 said:
The Avon kid who first went to UM and then Illinois was okay, but was Rex Grossman the last really good Indiana quarterback the state has produced? Karlaftis was always going to PU, and we weren’t ever really in it for Bell, who was infatuated with Brohm. And didn’t we offer Horvath a preferred walk on spot as a linebacker but Purdue said he could play running back? Hard to blame either side for that. It’s not always an exact science (ask Stevie Scott).
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The point I was trying to make is that there are IN high school players that stay in state, and are very successful. They do pan out without having to go to a blueblood. I just wish tgey would realize they could be successful at IU too.

Maybe if we had more local kids, we'd have more fans in the stands too. Just a thought.
 
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IUCX9 said:
The point I was trying to make is that there are IN high school players that stay in state, and are very successful. They do pan out without having to go to a blueblood. I just wish tgey would realize they could be successful at IU too.

Maybe if we had more local kids, we'd have more fans in the stands too. Just a thought.
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Agree. In-state kids have always been a little more equal, just because of the interest they can generate if they’re good. I think the reputation of the program will have to change before we can compete for those top level guys.

Go Hoosiers.
 
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Don’t focus on this state. Sure, recruit the top players the best you can but make Florida, Georgia, Texas and the South the priority. That’s where to show the love. Overall, this is an absolutely crummy state for football. The elite players are most likely going to bolt regardless. Even coming off a historic year in 2020, a guy like Curry, who is a generational talent playing 35 mins from B-town didn’t jump to come to IU. There isn’t some hardcore interest in staying in-state and playing at IU. The only way that interest ever picks up is if IU is winning. Otherwise, no compelling reason to sign up for IU just because they are a state school.
 
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IUCX9 said:
The point I was trying to make is that there are IN high school players that stay in state, and are very successful. They do pan out without having to go to a blueblood. I just wish tgey would realize they could be successful at IU too.

Maybe if we had more local kids, we'd have more fans in the stands too. Just a thought.
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Ignoring the fact that we just signed three 4-stars from Indiana, do you really believe that more Indiana kids will attract more fans? Because I think that's pretty silly.

Our first four games last year were: 48k, sellout, 50k, and sellout. You know why? Because we spent the two previous years winning.
 
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RBB89 said:
Ignoring the fact that we just signed three 4-stars from Indiana, do you really believe that more Indiana kids will attract more fans? Because I think that's pretty silly.

Our first four games last year were: 48k, sellout, 50k, and sellout. You know why? Because we spent the two previous years winning.
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What? You don't think we can do both? We can't get more fans by winning AND get more fans by cultivating the State of Indiana while making the bulk of our recruiting from the South? It isn't all or nothing. Or only one or the other. That's pretty silly.
 
Big Red Crimson Buffalo said:
It’s about the head-to-head matchup. That’s really all that matters at the end of the day.
I never concluded that Purdue was dominating in-state recruiting. They’ve gotten the one that really matter (Karlaftis and Bell) though. And, the other kids who are probably even in talent level with IU kids, they certainly seem to develop them more. Then, there is this issue of kids transferring to Purdue from IU. That points to some very serious cultural issues going on in the program. How does a starting member of your defensive backfield jump ship and transfer to your in-state rival? There is something very wrong with that. How do people brush that off? If people aren’t concerned with the optics of that, I don’t know what to tell you.
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I don't think even think coach Allen thought things were good last season, hence the changes in coaches and changes in practices. Players even said the Leo was lacking last season but is back this year. I would agree with you more if coach Allen stayed with the coaches from last season and the routine but he saw the issues and made needed changes, except maybe one that many of us see. I hope the OL is much improved in this offense and IU benefits from the improvement.

Head to head matchups aren't all that matters as there are many other things involved. I think Brohm is a good coach but notice he has a new DC after making a bad choice with his last DC. No one nails every decision with coaches because we haven't figured out people and some choices don't work out.
 
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vesuvius13 said:
I don't think even think coach Allen thought things were good last season, hence the changes in coaches and changes in practices. Players even said the Leo was lacking last season but is back this year. I would agree with you more if coach Allen stayed with the coaches from last season and the routine but he saw the issues and made needed changes, except maybe one that many of us see. I hope the OL is much improved in this offense and IU benefits from the improvement.

Head to head matchups aren't all that matters as there are many other things involved. I think Brohm is a good coach but notice he has a new DC after making a bad choice with his last DC. No one nails every decision with coaches because we haven't figured out people and some choices don't work out.
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That’s fair.
One huge advantage that Brohm had and IU, for some reason, seems to avoid this recipe is that he brought his WKU coaching staff with him. It makes a better transition. They did the same with Tiller. It’s a smart hiring decision.
Cameron and Wilson scrambled to hire assistants. Dinardo was coming from the XFL. Wilson’s assistants weren’t Allen’s assistants, so he started building a staff, for the most part. Hep was an exception. Schools that have tradition and recruiting draw based on name alone can absorb starting a staff from scratch much better than a struggling program.
 
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vesuvius13 said:
I don't think even think coach Allen thought things were good last season, hence the changes in coaches and changes in practices. Players even said the Leo was lacking last season but is back this year. I would agree with you more if coach Allen stayed with the coaches from last season and the routine but he saw the issues and made needed changes, except maybe one that many of us see. I hope the OL is much improved in this offense and IU benefits from the improvement.

Head to head matchups aren't all that matters as there are many other things involved. I think Brohm is a good coach but notice he has a new DC after making a bad choice with his last DC. No one nails every decision with coaches because we haven't figured out people and some choices don't work out.
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Assistant coaches are nomadic by nature, but only one guy was truly shown the door. A couple of others could’ve stayed, chose to leave, and no one stood in the doorway to prevent them from leaving. One guy caught them totally by surprise when he left.

The most concerning thing from last year was that Coach Allen believed all of the preseason hype was justified and that we were going to be really good. He not only didn’t discourage it, he added to it because he thought we were a BT champion contending team. He thought our summer and preseason camp preparation was great, and he was all in on our coaches. No one was more shocked by what happened last Fall than he was.
 
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Jackskip23 said:
Assistant coaches are nomadic by nature, but only one guy was truly shown the door. A couple of others could’ve stayed, chose to leave, and no one stood in the doorway to prevent them from leaving. One guy caught them totally by surprise when he left.

The most concerning thing from last year was that Coach Allen believed all of the preseason hype was justified and that we were going to be really good. He not only didn’t discourage it, he added to it because he thought we were a BT champion contending team. He thought our summer and preseason camp preparation was great, and he was all in on our coaches. No one was more shocked by what happened last Fall than he was.
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To be fair, who could have seen the injuries and transfers we had last year.

We lost our top 3 QBs in Penix, Tuttle and Williams, were down to two walk on running backs splitting reps, both Mullen and Williams missed significant time at corner, Monster missed games at safety, Keys was lost for the season after two games meaning Pierre had to be moved from safety to corner, Head wasn't healthy until midway through the year and losing Matthews hurt our receiving core.

We were decimated by injuries. A team like Indiana generally can't overcome that, especially to our top 3 quarterbacks.
 
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Baller23Boogie said:
To be fair, who could have seen the injuries and transfers we had last year.

We lost our top 3 QBs in Penix, Tuttle and Williams, were down to two walk on running backs splitting reps, both Mullen and Williams missed significant time at corner, Monster missed games at safety, Keys was lost for the season after two games meaning Pierre had to be moved from safety to corner, Head wasn't healthy until midway through the year and losing Matthews hurt our receiving core.

We were decimated by injuries. A team like Indiana generally can't overcome that, especially to our top 3 quarterbacks.
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Williams was lost in the Spring, Tuttle had been hurt in the bowl game, and Penix had missed large stretches of three previous seasons and some Springs. We knew that was a position of huge concern - or we should’ve known. Couple that with Gremel not being a kid who could help us and McCulley, who wasn’t enrolled for Spring practice, being a guy who was raw, at best, and we were thinner than perhaps was believed. I know there was some talk about trying to get another quarterback in after Williams got hurt, but the pickings were slim.

We also knew we were extremely thin at running back, which is why we DMac went and got Carr. James was pouting about playing time but never showed he deserved to be out there, and he and Tim were a little miffed about Carr coming in and being anointed the starter. But he had a long history of injuries at USC, so there shouldn’t have been any surprises with him, either.

Losing D guys hurt us, but I think there was a ton of wear and tear because they were left on the field so much, plus our depth at many spots wasn’t nearly as good as some wanted to believe.
 
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Baller23Boogie said:
Who was the starting defensive backfield player?

I guess your talking about Reese Taylor. He wasn't starting here with a healthy Mullen and Williams and he knew that. That's why he left in the first place. He didn't want to split snaps anymore.

As hard as you try, you can't change why he left.

The other players they got, Sampson James and the d tackle who's name escapes me, we'll see how they do. I truly hope they both do well except for when they face Indiana. I could care less why they chose Purdue. We've gotten four players from Ole Miss, should that be a sign to Ole Miss that we're gonna poach your players that don't want to play there?

Players go where they have relationships. Purdue is a in-state school so the in-state kids (James and Taylor) aren't far from family and in the case of the d-tackle that went there, Hagen recruited him here so it was natural for him to go there when Hagen was on board there.

This isn't hard to understand. The players aren't fans like we are. They don't hate Purdue like Indiana fans do.
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Isn’t Taylor now the 2nd string to the other transfer CB from Kentucky, Brown?

Didn’t quite work out.
 
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It doesn't really matter WHY any experienced contributer left, even if they weren't going to be starters this year.

We need quality depth. That's the truly important thing. If #1 goes down, we need a #2 to step up and succeed. And #3 needs to be ready as well too. Our schedule is too tough to write anyone off, especially ones with playing experience. It only takes 1 play, on or off the field, to get elevated to starter. If our backups are bad, our team is bad. It is the way it is.
 
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Baller23Boogie said:
So then they don't have accurate depth charts for all teams and are guessing on some...

We have no idea if Reese is in a better spot or not, considering fall camp hasn't even started yet.
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They are completely guessing and clearly haven't updated most of those depth charts to reflect recent Portal additions.... That's glaring obvious if you look at Nebraska's...

Our Lads is a nice source once the season is a couple of games in but right now it's purely conjecture on their part and they don't appear to be putting much effort into it...
 
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Another kid locked in for a visit this coming week.

Pretty safe to say we're gonna take multiple safeties this class with the amount of kids we're bringing in last week and this week.
 
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Baller23Boogie said:
To be fair, who could have seen the injuries and transfers we had last year.

We lost our top 3 QBs in Penix, Tuttle and Williams, were down to two walk on running backs splitting reps, both Mullen and Williams missed significant time at corner, Monster missed games at safety, Keys was lost for the season after two games meaning Pierre had to be moved from safety to corner, Head wasn't healthy until midway through the year and losing Matthews hurt our receiving core.

We were decimated by injuries. A team like Indiana generally can't overcome that, especially to our top 3 quarterbacks.
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Not even Alabama would overcome injuries to their top three QBs. They may eke out 7 or 8 wins, but certainly aren't contending for the SEC championship losing their top 3 QBs

Indiana needs to keep their starting QB healthy ALL season long. Playing a guy for three or four games and then he's out really sucks.
 
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