Obama continues his war on decent wages and the middle class

[CO. Hoosier]

The Obama administration has proposed extending/expanding the H-1B visa and immigration program. This is yet another payoff to his high tech campaign contribution cronies at the expense of Americans who struggle to make ends meet.

As usual Obama has no clue about this. Or if he has a clue, he is disingenuous. Even money on which it is.

"Are we a nation that educates the world's best and brightest in our universities, only to send them home to create businesses in countries that compete against us?" he asked last November. "Or are we a nation that encourages them to stay and create jobs here, create businesses here, create industries right here in America?"
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It doesn't take a genius to understand that the H-1B program is nothing but a benefit to employers while giving the shaft to employees. Foreign workers would much rather work here for lower wages than to work at home for miserable wages. This isn't about creating jobs here, it is about depressing all wages and displacing Americans with foreign workers.

Meanwhile, we are forcing Americans from their well-paying jobs and into selling potato chips at a convenience store while foreign workers take their IT jobs. We have millions of kids not graduating from high school let alone going to college. We have stripped these youngsters of hope while giving jobs to foreigners. One of the most important drivers of educational excellence is the demands of employers for skilled labor. With H-1B we are meeting that demand with foreigners, not Americans. There are glimmers of hope in education of Americans. But education is only part of the problem, the other part is taking that education to the job market. Competing with H-1B workers just isn't fair. H-1B visas are nothing but a payoff to higher ed, business, political supporters, and cronies.

There are a lot of reasons to not support Trump for POTUS. But one reason to support him is that he is on record as being firmly against the H-1B program. I suppose the reason is that he doesn't need the support of the beneficiaries of H-1B while all the others need that support.

 

[IU-Curmudgeon]

You don't say...

You're sort of like playing tic-tac-toe with someone that always gives you the center square.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You don't say...

You're sort of like playing tic-tac-toe with someone that always gives you the center square.

I don't know what your point is . . . .

But as I said in my criminal justice thread, some of the bigger threats to all of us is bad policy that has bipartisan support.

I singled out Obama because he is in charge. FYI, I also criticized Bush for his immigration proposals.

 

[IU-Curmudgeon]

I don't know what your point is . . . .

Well your being clueless I can believe.

Just for you and this is hardly inclusive.

 

[hoot1]

This program has been around since November 29, 1990 and has been dealt with by five Congresses and four presidents including Obama. Businesses claim the need for high tech people cannot be filled by Americans alone.

Critics, such as myself, claim American employers don't have to try to find Americans first. Furthermore if there are better qualified Americans the companies aren't required to hire them. Also over the years the program has become a government-assisted way for employers to bring in cheaper foreign workers. In the eyes of many of us it appears these foreign workers take over, rather than complement American workers.

 

[meridian]

Good grief! Obama is doing what?
I am worried about you, CO!
The recent posts of yours indicate the symptoms of senility. You should see a doctor as soon as possible.
Otherwise, the next post of yours will be: "Obama returning to his country of birth, Kenya!."

 

[bawlmer]

As usual Obama has no clue about this. Or if he has a clue, he is disingenuous. Even money on which it is.

"Are we a nation that educates the world's best and brightest in our universities, only to send them home to create businesses in countries that compete against us?" he asked last November. "Or are we a nation that encourages them to stay and create jobs here, create businesses here, create industries right here in America?"
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The statement you quote from Obama is consistent with supporting the visa program because it helps foreigners educated here to also work here. Maybe he's smarter than you think.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Well your being clueless I can believe.

Just for you and this is hardly inclusive.

Another unserious post from you

Your link doesn't mention H-1B. If you want to start your own thread, be my guest.

Even Mother Jones, hardly a right-wing rag, gets it. Why can't you?

The ease of hiring H-1B workers certainly hasn't helped. More than 80 percent of H-1B visa holders are approved to be hired at wages below those paid to American-born workers for comparable positions, according to EPI. Experts who track labor conditions in the technology sector say that older, more expensive workers are particularly vulnerable to being undercut by their foreign counterparts. "You can be an exact match and never even get a phone call because you are too expensive," says Norman Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California-Davis. "The minute that they see you've got 10 or 15 years of experience, they don't want you."
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H-1B is a gut punch right to the middle class. Obama would rather keep his high tech buddies happy than help people.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

it helps foreigners educated here to also work here.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

This program has been around since November 29, 1990 and has been dealt with by five Congresses and four presidents including Obama. Businesses claim the need for high tech people cannot be filled by Americans alone.

Critics, such as myself, claim American employers don't have to try to find Americans first. Furthermore if there are better qualified Americans the companies aren't required to hire them. Also over the years the program has become a government-assisted way for employers to bring in cheaper foreign workers. In the eyes of many of us it appears these foreign workers take over, rather than complement American workers.

The H-1B program is a gut punch to the middle class.

Maybe we needed foreign workers 25 years ago in high tech. Now we clearly don't. Obama has proposed expanding the H-1B program allowing even more foreign workers. This makes no sense, unless you are interested in keeping high tech wages low. We have huge untapped potential in under-educated or non-educated people, mostly African American males. Obama and the Democrats make a big deal out of helping them, but all they can manage to do is to make them feel like victims, raise their minimum wage, give them more benefits*, and bitch about the rich people not paying their fair share. I can't accept that we need hundreds of thousands of H-1B workers while we put up with a growing and maybe now permanent underclass in this country.

*The latest give-a-way is free education beyond high school. What good is that if all we do is give the good high tech jobs to foreigners?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Good grief! Obama is doing what?
I am worried about you, CO!
The recent posts of yours indicate the symptoms of senility. You should see a doctor as soon as possible.
Otherwise, the next post of yours will be: "Obama returning to his country of birth, Kenya!."

H-1B is a gut punch to the middle class

Did you see Obama's latest program to help the poor?

 

[AckAck]

Are you an attorney or a businessman? Trust me; smart businessmen would jump sideways to pay Indiana life residents and English speakers good pay if they can code in PL-SQL or Oracle ADF.

As much stupid talk as a brown-toothed idiot like Bernie Sanders. "They took 'yer job."

 

[zeke4ahs]

Are you an attorney or a businessman? Trust me; smart businessmen would jump sideways to pay Indiana life residents and English speakers good pay if they can code in PL-SQL or Oracle ADF.

As much stupid talk as a brown-toothed idiot like Bernie Sanders. "They took 'yer job."

You can't make your point without stooping to that kind of talk? Ignore...

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Are you an attorney or a businessman? Trust me; smart businessmen would jump sideways to pay Indiana life residents and English speakers good pay if they can code in PL-SQL or Oracle ADF.

As much stupid talk as a brown-toothed idiot like Bernie Sanders. "They took 'yer job."

Fair point

I agree that there is a short term problem in that there might be insufficient American skilled labor in some places. But as was noted in the links in this thread, we are seeing H-1B workers actually displacing higher paid American workers in the same jobs. This is disgusting. The businesses who do this and the politicians who enable it ought to be held to some kind of account.

Getting back to the shortage of labor, that is a long term fix. But we MUST start. We have thousands if not millions of people sitting out participating in this economy and they end up shooting drugs or shooting their neighbors. We can't fix this by raising the minimum wage or the rich paying more taxes. We fix this by understanding the issue and changing the Democratic/liberal paradigms that only serve to attract votes.

 

[toastedbread]

Are you an attorney or a businessman? Trust me; smart businessmen would jump sideways to pay Indiana life residents and English speakers good pay if they can code in PL-SQL or Oracle ADF.

As much stupid talk as a brown-toothed idiot like Bernie Sanders. "They took 'yer job."

About coders... they are paying the H1-Bs depressed wages, which will pull wages down in the long run. For instance, Indian contractors living here are quite happy to low-ball bids because they are still making enough $ for them. Quality of their work blows though.

 

[NickStromboli]

Are you an attorney or a businessman? Trust me; smart businessmen would jump sideways to pay Indiana life residents and English speakers good pay if they can code in PL-SQL or Oracle ADF.

As much stupid talk as a brown-toothed idiot like Bernie Sanders. "They took 'yer job."

Smart businessmen bring Indians over to code for pennies on the dollar of what they pay Americans. It is happening at my company and I work for a Mid sized Insurance company. My brother works for a fortune 50 company and 3/4 of the IT department is from India.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Smart businessmen bring Indians over to code for pennies on the dollar of what they pay Americans. It is happening at my company and I work for a Mid sized Insurance company. My brother works for a fortune 50 company and 3/4 of the IT department is from India.

Coding schools

Both on-line and bricks and mortar are springing up faster than you can say H-1b immigrant. We don't need to fill coding jobs with immigrants. This could be one way to bust the cycle of poverty in many urban areas. The H-1b program is a scam to keep wages low. I can't under stand why any politician supports expanding H-1b unless it is nothing but selling votes to political contributors.

 

[NickStromboli]

Coding schools

Both on-line and bricks and mortar are springing up faster than you can say H-1b immigrant. We don't need to fill coding jobs with immigrants. This could be one way to bust the cycle of poverty in many urban areas. The H-1b program is a scam to keep wages low. I can't under stand why any politician supports expanding H-1b unless it is nothing but selling votes to political contributors.

I actually agree with you on this but it absolutely happening.

 

[iubud]

Another unserious post from you

Your link doesn't mention H-1B. If you want to start your own thread, be my guest.

Even Mother Jones, hardly a right-wing rag, gets it. Why can't you?

The ease of hiring H-1B workers certainly hasn't helped. More than 80 percent of H-1B visa holders are approved to be hired at wages below those paid to American-born workers for comparable positions, according to EPI. Experts who track labor conditions in the technology sector say that older, more expensive workers are particularly vulnerable to being undercut by their foreign counterparts. "You can be an exact match and never even get a phone call because you are too expensive," says Norman Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California-Davis. "The minute that they see you've got 10 or 15 years of experience, they don't want you."
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H-1B is a gut punch right to the middle class. Obama would rather keep his high tech buddies happy than help people.

He calls someone clueless, but does not offer a reason why. Without backing it up with reason, I would expect that the poster doesn't know anything about the subject.

This isn't an issue I have followed, but I appreciate you bringing it up.

 

[mjvcaj]

The Obama administration has proposed extending/expanding the H-1B visa and immigration program. This is yet another payoff to his high tech campaign contribution cronies at the expense of Americans who struggle to make ends meet.

As usual Obama has no clue about this. Or if he has a clue, he is disingenuous. Even money on which it is.

"Are we a nation that educates the world's best and brightest in our universities, only to send them home to create businesses in countries that compete against us?" he asked last November. "Or are we a nation that encourages them to stay and create jobs here, create businesses here, create industries right here in America?"
​

It doesn't take a genius to understand that the H-1B program is nothing but a benefit to employers while giving the shaft to employees. Foreign workers would much rather work here for lower wages than to work at home for miserable wages. This isn't about creating jobs here, it is about depressing all wages and displacing Americans with foreign workers.

Meanwhile, we are forcing Americans from their well-paying jobs and into selling potato chips at a convenience store while foreign workers take their IT jobs. We have millions of kids not graduating from high school let alone going to college. We have stripped these youngsters of hope while giving jobs to foreigners. One of the most important drivers of educational excellence is the demands of employers for skilled labor. With H-1B we are meeting that demand with foreigners, not Americans. There are glimmers of hope in education of Americans. But education is only part of the problem, the other part is taking that education to the job market. Competing with H-1B workers just isn't fair. H-1B visas are nothing but a payoff to higher ed, business, political supporters, and cronies.

There are a lot of reasons to not support Trump for POTUS. But one reason to support him is that he is on record as being firmly against the H-1B program. I suppose the reason is that he doesn't need the support of the beneficiaries of H-1B while all the others need that support.

This is possibly the worst post I have read on this board. This has to do with trying to keep talent, not displacing Americans and LOL @ the impact on the middle class. Are you a socialist now? WTF is wrong with you?

Business needs X of [engineers, IT, etc.]. America can only supply a % of X. Business either moves elsewhere, offshores the jobs or you can change the legal immigration to make this country into a great nation again.

 

[meridian]

You don't say...

You're sort of like playing tic-tac-toe with someone that always gives you the center square.

CO is trolling. Pretty soon, he will post "the US would've been better off under British rule" or "Tom Crean has a secret plan to win the NCAA championship."

 

[CO. Hoosier]

This is possibly the worst post I have read on this board. This has to do with trying to keep talent, not displacing Americans and LOL @ the impact on the middle class. Are you a socialist now? WTF is wrong with you?

Business needs X of [engineers, IT, etc.]. America can only supply a % of X. Business either moves elsewhere, offshores the jobs or you can change the legal immigration to make this country into a great nation again.

H-1b is a sucker's bet

You don't need to tell me the theory of why it is good. That might work in a few cases and we can keep using it for that. But by in large, as the links show, H-1B is abused and used to depress pay. Why do you think the CC is so in favor?

 

[mjvcaj]

H-1b is a sucker's bet

You don't need to tell me the theory of why it is good. That might work in a few cases and we can keep using it for that. But by in large, as the links show, H-1B is abused and used to depress pay. Why do you think the CC is so in favor?

So you would rather top US educational institutions educate 10-20% of undergraduate students and 40-50% of top graduate students and then send them back to their home country? Talk about a ridiculous, anti-competitive strategy. Would you enjoy seeing the U.S. lose its status as the elite world power? I don't think you realize how many international students are being educated domestically.

Many employers are not interested in the cost or hassle of keeping these bright young minds in the country. Plenty from my grad school should have received jobs, but

 

[toastedbread]

So you would rather top US educational institutions educate 10-20% of undergraduate students and 40-50% of top graduate students and then send them back to their home country? Talk about a ridiculous, anti-competitive strategy. Would you enjoy seeing the U.S. lose its status as the elite world power? I don't think you realize how many international students are being educated domestically.

Many employers are not interested in the cost or hassle of keeping these bright young minds in the country. Plenty from my grad school should have received jobs, but

A lot of those top students are only here because they are paying full tuition. Also read Nick Stromboli's post about Indians. He is 100% correct.

 

[mjvcaj]

paying full tuition

No. I know several that received scholarship money to our MBA program. Also programs like HBS have dedicated financial aid designed specifically for international students.